Left is Against Liberty and Free Speech

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  1. treefarmer

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    When will you on the left and ignorant supporters of the left just acknowledge this honestly:

    The Left would like nothing more than to duct-tape Rush Limbaugh's mouth shut. Last week, Michigan Sen. Debbie Stabenow said she is gearing up for hearings. Can you imagine station owners, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity being marched into Congress to defend their right to free speech?

    Pelosi is on board. John Kerry says it's time. And Obama recently chided Republicans for listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. They control Congress, the White House, the FCC. They believe their time to strike is now.

    Conservatives have long known that the Left is determined to silence conservatives. Under the guise of fairness, the oh-so-tolerant American Left is determined to make conservative speech and thought a thing of the past.

    Pelosi, Stabenow, Reid, MoveOn.org and others on the Left -- with the help of the Obama administration -- have a strategic plan to reinstate the free-speech restrictions on talk radio without passing a single bill.

    If you think the liberal media are bad now, wait until there are limits put on conservative talkers who counter the leftist (drive-by) media and Democrat Party misinformation, lies by omission and outright spin on behalf of the Democrat Party.

    In the February issue of Townhall Magazine, Terence Jeffrey, editor in chief of CNSNews, takes on the Fairness Doctrine and what we need to be watching for.

    From TownHall.com
     
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    Obama isn't limiting David Brooks or George Will's freedom of speech... Pat Buchanan and the folks over at the AIE aren't being silenced. Real conservatives have nothing to worry about.
     
  3. Drifterwood

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    Can you give examples of the types of things that you will not be allowed to say on talk radio?
     
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    I'm sorry -- which party was it again that was trying to silence (and boycott) the Dixie Chicks? Rosie O"Donnell? Michael Moore?

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    From April 14, 2007:

    Tom DeLay Calls For Conservatives to Take Down Rosie O’Donnell

    In response to the recent brouhaha concerning Don Imus and the Rutgers women’s basketball team, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has called on “conservatives to use the available media (radio talk shows, blogs, letters to the editor) to protest and demand that Rosie O'Donnell be kicked off The View".

    Tom DeLay: "The message of the ongoing Imus scandal is simple: Verbal offenses against anyone, other than conservatives or Christians or Jews, will be treated as crimes, and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are the judge and jury... That’s why I am calling on conservatives to use the available media to protest and demand that Rosie O’Donnell be kicked off The View. Where are the demonstrations in front of ABC? Where are the boycott threats for The View’s advertisers, or its parent company, Disney? Who is holding Barbara Walters accountable for Rosie’s offenses? If Don Imus falls to the pleas of political correctness, we’re taking Rosie O’Donnell down with him!"

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    From March 22, 2003
    Right-wing campaign against US country music group

    An anti-Bush comment by a member of the three-woman Dixie Chicks has spurred ultra-right elements in the US to launch a witch-hunting campaign against the popular country music group.

    Natalie Maines, a member of the group and a native of Texas, told the audience at a recent concert in London, “Just so you know, we’re ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas.” Within days a drive was under way to demand that country music radio stations no longer play the Dixie Chicks’ music. Numerous stations immediately caved in to the pressure.

    Disc jockey Bill West told a reporter that the station took the group off the playlist because Maines’s comments were “unpatriotic.” A local television station cited the comments of one “enraged fan,” the owner of a golf course, who was organizing a bonfire to burn the Chicks’ music. A few hundred protesters near Bossier City, Louisiana, used a 33,000-pound tractor March 17 to crush Dixie Chicks CDs and other items

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    the constitution is still in effect, with no help from zippy, so you wingnutzzz can rest assured that you may speak freely.
     
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    Protesting/boycotting, and passing legislation to sensor are two TOTALLY different things. One is an expression of free speech, the other removes it. The fairness doctrine is totally unconstitutional, but then again, thats never stopped the Dems in the past. There is a HUGE differnece between creating equal opportunities for all points of views and dictating the results of which points of view are most heard. the first is true fairness, that is, if you have something to say, then say it, and the market place (the people) will dictate how valuable your ideas are. And the other is marxist totalitarianism, that is, we (govt) must dictate which points of view are expressed, regardless of demand, because it is concerned with equality in results rather than equality in opportunity.
     
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    damn! just read the piece -- terribly frightening to those of us who subscribe to the ideals of free and open expression
     
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    This is a contrived 'controversy'; no one is advocating the re-instatement of the Fairness Doctrine. Townhall is a reliably nutty source for right-wing masturbatory fantasies of persecution. During the election, this was the site with some of the most vitriolic (and untrue) attacks on Obama and the Democrats.

    The left is concerned about media consolidation, which is a different issue. Although it does seem to be true that right wing and ultraconservatives dominate talk radio, I think overall there are a range of voices on the net/radio/television. I think some of the comments made by some politicians are more about this issue than a genuine interest in legislation from the 1940's.

    BTW, my favorite example of extreme and provocative behavior was Michael Savage's statement that the (US citizen) parents of the 'American Taliban' guy be held without charges and tortured for 'producing such a piece of garbage'. (I was doing opposition research at the time, or just trying to find the Red Sox game, I cannot remember which.)

    From my perspective, the more that people like Savage advocate torturing US citizens, or Limbaugh says 'I hope Obama fails!', the better. Nothing could better illustrate the difference between progressives and conservatives than these statements.
     
  9. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    24065:

    I don't think I'm in favor of a Fairness Doctrine. For one thing, it would be impossible to enforce (or to assess what is properly "balanced").

    From wikipedia:

    Fairness Doctrine: The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that required the holders of broadcast licenses to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced.


    So, 24065, you're saying (in theory anyway) that if presenting both sides of an issue in an honest and balanced manner were possible, that this "removes" free speech? Is "marxist totalitarianism"?

    By the way, Karl Marx was concerned with the history of class struggles (and an organized working class, a "dictatorship of the proletariat"), with the inherent contradictions in capitalism, with the various socioeconomic systems.

    It doesn't help your arguments any when you just blithely toss in the name Marx (or the adjective "marxism") as a sort of all-purpose boogyman.

    Let's hear it for Biily Bragg's english translation or the Communist/Socialist Internationale:

    YouTube - The Internationale
     
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    Where is the article?

    frankly i don't care if people protest...that is their right.

    But censorship, of even a bigoted putz like Rush Limbaugh, is totally un-american.

    If it is indeed true that the government is trying to censor right wing talk radio, then we have a very serious constitutional issue on our hands.

    Frankly, right wing talk radio is about as retarded as left wing talk radio...but nobody has the right to censor opinions.
     
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    No, I am saying that dictating equal time rather than equal opportunity regardless of market demand is totalitarian and marxist. Its like saying that you have to broadcast womens roller derby as mush as the NFL regardless of the fact that no one gives a shit about womens roller derby in comparison to the NFL. Same with Liberal talk radio...there is little demand for it.


    And BTW, Karl Marx took the metaphysics of Hegel and applied them to economic Materialism. Hegel believed that reality was constituted by a never ending cycle of thesis, antinthesis and finally synthesis. marx applied this to his economic theory by stating communism (one eual class) would come about through the synthesizing of the bourgois and proletariat classes. Marx' entire economic theory was driven by an ideology that there is an egalitarian end to the dialectic. In other words, Marxism at its heart and soul is theory which moves toward equality of ends and results. This is totally anti-freedom and anti-capitolist. And contrary to your view, marxist egalitarianism can be applied to many different area outside economics...like the ideas that support the fairness doctrine.
     
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    Given the Patriot Act and Bush's infamous dismissal of The Constitution of the United States as, "....just a piece of paper," the politicizing of the Attorney General's office, illegal wiretapping, and fighting to hold American citizens as terrorists without habeas corpus or any other Constitutionally guaranteed right, I'd have to say that the Republicans have proven themselves a greater threat to American liberty than the Democrats though both parties are responsible for the passing of these unconstitutional laws.
     
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    Please give documented examples of every allegation you stated.
     
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    Was it Michael Savage that yelled to a caller on his radio show that he hoped the caller got AIDS and died? I think the corporate tit that supported his program was quite right in taking him off the air a couple of days later. The issue isn't censorship as much as is it promulgating hate speech encouraging others to act out.

    Plush Rush has been spewing hate speech for decades. He is NOT an entertainer. You may find his rantings as entertainment. There was a time (still exists in some parts of the US) that a good lynching was considered entertainment. Limbaugh's and Savage's rantings lay the groundwork to incite hate crimes. As for Plush Rush in general, by supporting his definitions of how the world and the USA should be dictated according to him, you are allowing yourself to become part of the problem. Not the solution.
     
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    I have and it includes links to sources including SCOTUS decisions. It's in another thread here somewhere. Feel free to search for it.
     
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    You are a retard. Do you listen to Rush? He says nothing of the the sort. Do you even know what a hate crime is?? Please give one example of Rush spewing "hate speech" or speech that incites physical viloence toward a specific group of people. BTW, Savage made those remarks on MSNBC and he was fired the next day.
     
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    HAHA OMG vinyl, this is your source???? There is absolutley no proof Bush said any of this at all. This is a left wing propagandist website that even leads doubt as to the truthfulness of its own article. "this report, if true,..."

    Give me a break.
     
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    Here's just three of many "love inspired" quotes by Rush Limbaugh:
    1. I mean, let&#8217;s face it, we didn&#8217;t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I&#8217;m not saying we should bring it back; I&#8217;m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.

    2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.

    3. Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?

    And you find seven more at http://newsone.blackplanet.com/elections/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

    Yes we do, and we're glad that "troll" isn't part of the law description. :rolleyes:
     
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