Left-Wing Eco Terrorist Takes Hostages at Discovery Building

[KTF40]

Margaret Thatcher's quote was regarding environmentalism, which you claim is anathema to true conservatism. And, FWIW, Buchanan's view on war, including what he thinks was our wrong decision to enter WW2, may not be pacifist, but he is very, very much against the use of the US military for anything other than self defense.

Shall I try a three-minute Google search to find a couple of conservative secularists/atheists?

You don't get it. I said environmentalist, peace activist, AND secularist.

Not- environmentalist, peace activist, OR secularist.

Of course there are republicans/conservatives who embrace certain major ideas of liberal philosophy. Hell, I'm against the death penalty and think the Iraq was a huge mistake. Does that make me a liberal? Fuck No.

And yes, try and find one republican/conservative who fits the criteria I mentioned. You'll be wasting your time. You know why? They don't exist because they're called liberals.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I said environmentalists, peace activists, and secularists. Just because you know a republican who cares about the environment doesn't mean your friends fits all the criteria that I mentioned. So yeah, still waiting on an answer.

I already answered your question the way I chose to. And I'll elaborate further.

It doesn't matter if certain issues are harped upon by liberals more than conservatives or vice versa. It's not impossible for someone to be of one political affiliation and have concerns that cross over. That's why I mentioned that I have Republican friends that are concerned about the environment. That should have been your clue, alas, you want to push the subject further to try and bully me into giving you the answer you want to hear. You should know that I don't take that too kindly.

So let me be more frank this time and pay attention... Bottom line, you rushed to political judgement of the culprit holding hostages at the Discovery Building based on a few character descriptions. And now you sit here wanting me to answer your stupid question in such a way to possibly validate the political sectarianism you chose to bestow on this board? Yeah... you know where you can shove that madness. Also, a person who is intellectually dishonest as you has no place to tell me how I should form my responses. Know your place and take what you get, or leave it as it is and continue to pretend that you don't know what's being said here.

 

[KTF40]

I already answered your question the way I chose to. And I'll elaborate further.

It doesn't matter if certain issues are harped upon by liberals more than conservatives or vice versa. It's not impossible for someone to be of one political affiliation and have concerns that cross over. That's why I mentioned that I have Republican friends that are concerned about the environment. That should have been your clue, alas, you want to push the subject further to try and bully me into giving you the answer you want to hear. You should know that I don't take that too kindly.

So let me be more frank this time and pay attention... Bottom line, you rushed to political judgement of the culprit holding hostages at the Discovery Building based on a few character descriptions. And now you sit here wanting me to answer your stupid question in such a way to possibly validate the political sectarianism you chose to bestow on this board? Yeah... you know where you can shove that madness A person who is intellectually dishonest as you has no place to tell me how I should form my responses. Know your place and take what you get, or leave it as it is and continue to pretend that you don't know what's being said.

I asked you a question and you gave me an incorrect answer. That's your problem not mine and only further proves that I'm right and your wrong.

If I asked you what's 2 + 2, the answer is 4. Don't tell me the answer is 5 because, "A person who is intellectually dishonest as you has no place to tell me how I should form my responses" or "I already answered your question the way I chose to". There are right answers and wrong answers. You are apparently full of wrong answers.

 

[Bbucko]

I get it now: this really had nothing to do with some deranged freak with a gun or the hostage(s) he held.

It's all a pretext to continue some pathetic skirmish in yet another round of the Culture War. Know what? I'm gonna stop playing right now.

 

[KTF40]

I get it now: this really had nothing to do with some deranged freak with a gun or the hostage(s) he held.

It's all a pretext to continue some pathetic skirmish in yet another round of the Culture War. Know what? I'm gonna stop playing right now.

Haha that's funny because you and Vinylboy were the only ones playing.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I asked you a question and you gave me an incorrect answer. That's your problem not mine and only further proves that I'm right and your wrong.

Your problem is that you think everything in Politics are based on absolutes. To assume that you were right on a subject matter that has an infinite amount of answers demonstrates that you have no damn clue what you're talking about.

If I asked you what's 2 + 2, the answer is 4.

Mathematics is a lot different than Politics, sonny.

Don't tell me the answer is 5 because, "A person who is intellectually dishonest as you has no place to tell me how I should form my responses" or "I already answered your question the way I chose to".

No, we don't say that the answer is 5 because Mathematics has a finite set of rules that can be used to prove that 2+2 doesn't equal it. However, these restrictions do not exist in the world of Politics. What a person decides to define oneself and what causes they choose to care about will differ from person to person. There is no definitive rule in Politics that says an environmentalist has to be a liberal. That's why I have friends who are Republican who care about the environment. That's why we have people like Andrew Sullivan, a noted Conservative who is also a major supporter for gay civil rights. Both Gay Rights & the Environment are issues in your narrow-minded view that only liberals supposedly care about. However, these examples and ones provided by BBucko exist and challenge your limited views on Politics. But instead of choosing to expand your mind, you keep it closed and lash out at people who don't follow your overly predictable script.

There are right answers and wrong answers. You are apparently full of wrong answers.

And you're just full of shit. Can't take the fact that certain things exist out of your limited view of reality, eh? Political and societal lightweights need to think twice before engaging anyone on this board. That means you.

 

[unabear09]

Lol, and the name calling begins! That didn't take long.

wellll.... If you'd stop posting threads that have little to nothing to do with politics, then names wouldn't be thrown around.

BTW Grow up. :tongue:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

People like KTF40 don't seem to understand that there are people who actually like to call the stupid people a variety of colorful and descriptive names when they're adamant in standing their ground after they've been thoroughly debunked.

"OMG, you're name calling!!!!"
Well duh, McFly!! :biggrin:

 

[unabear09]

You don't get it. I said environmentalist, peace activist, AND secularist.

Not- environmentalist, peace activist, OR secularist.

Of course there are republicans/conservatives who embrace certain major ideas of liberal philosophy. Hell, I'm against the death penalty and think the Iraq was a huge mistake. Does that make me a liberal? Fuck No.

And yes, try and find one republican/conservative who fits the criteria I mentioned. You'll be wasting your time. You know why? They don't exist because they're called liberals.

It seems to me that you are more interested in arguing semantics as you have no legitimate causation to attribute this 'left wing nutjob' to environmentilism.

Why don't you go ahead and fess up to starting this thread for no other reason than to bash anyone with a more liberal leaning political view than your own. There simply isn't any debate here. Nothing can be gained from this thread.

 

[Catchoftheday]

The man has been shot dead by the police

 

[unabear09]

The man has been shot dead by the police

that probably was his intent from the get go. Its a shame that he had to die, but he should have known that if he didn't surrender peacefully, he would have been killed.

 

[conntom]

What's left wing about him?

Sounds more un-hinged than anything else.

Here is his manifesto- My Demands

Soooo disingenuous.

you KNOW if this was a right wing looney instead of a left wing looney you and your bunch would be calling a typical right wing person - the right wing is dangerous - the right wing needs to be shut down blah blah blah.

But NOOOooooo you guys own this nut job and now it's....oh no....he is just crazy he isn't a left wing. He is not one of US......

HA.

Glad no one got killed but him.

Anyways. You lefties are dangerous...

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Soooo disingenuous.

you KNOW if this was a right wing looney instead of a left wing looney you and your bunch would be calling a typical right wing person - the right wing is dangerous - the right wing needs to be shut down blah blah blah.

But NOOOooooo you guys own this nut job and now it's....oh no....he is just crazy he isn't a left wing. He is not one of US......

HA.

Glad no one got killed but him.

Anyways. You lefties are dangerous...

And you're desperate to have one nut job to label to your political opponents, considering that the left has the pick of the litter when it comes to right winged lunatics. Even if this guy does turns out to be a liberal, seeing someone from the right tout this as some kind of moral victory is like watching Snookie from "Jersey Shore" criticize someone for being an alcoholic. Seriously, do you and the intellectually dishonest thread started REALLY want to play this game? Think long and hard about that.

 

[DevonTexas]

I'm so fucking tired of everything being 'left' or 'right'. Jesus Christ. Pull your collective heads out of your collective assholes.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I'm so fucking tired of everything being 'left' or 'right'. Jesus Christ. Pull your collective heads out of your collective assholes.

Tell that to conntom and the thread starter.

 

[B_lrgeggs]

Lol, and the name calling begins! That didn't take long.

Yes, I agree. (With apologies to
John Lennon) Let's give civility
a chance.

 

[midlifebear]

Are you denying that those aren't major ideas of modern day liberal philosophy? Know any republicans/conservatives who are environmentalists, peace activists, and secularists? I can't name any, buy I can think of plenty of left-wingers.

Anyways, this shouldn't be a political debate. Our main focus should be on the safety of the hostages.

Obviously you are not familiar with the Nevada Cattlemen's Association. Almost 100% pure Republican and very conservative. When it comes to the sagebrush steppe, open range, State and National forests they make most Green Peace members look like losers doing a dash and run to avoid paying for a meal in a restaurant. And god forbid you should have any non-native species of wild plants growing on your property. Several times a year they organize public weedings. It's really sort of cute, like a public hanging. Although in many cases their enthusiasm to maintain the flora and fauna is a lost cause. Ask any cattleman (or a guy who runs sheep) and he or she will tell you the miseries of Cheatgrass.

 

[maxcok]

He's an environmentalist, peace activist, and a secularist. Doesn't really get more liberal-leaning than that.

Stereotype much?

Know any republicans/conservatives who are environmentalists, peace activists, and secularists? I can't name any, buy I can think of plenty of left-wingers.

I said environmentalists, peace activists, and secularists. Just because you know a republican who cares about the environment doesn't mean your friends fits all the criteria that I mentioned.

You don't get it. I said environmentalist, peace activist, AND secularist.

Not- environmentalist, peace activist, OR secularist.

. . . . try and find one republican/conservative who fits the criteria I mentioned. You'll be wasting your time. You know why? They don't exist because they're called liberals.

Anyways, this shouldn't be a political debate.

LOLOL!!! I nominate that ^ for most ironic statement of the decade.

Not to mention the thread title: " Left-Wing Eco Terrorist Takes Hostages at Discovery Building "

Our main focus should be on the safety of the hostages.

And considering OP's "main focus" is to capitalize on a tragic event in a failed attempt to score political points,
I nominate that ^ for most disingenuous statement of the decade.

Also the original post:

Uh oh :ugh:

Hope those in danger are able to come out of this safely and in good health.

We all know this is going to be a major political issues on tv, newspapers, and radio in the coming days.

Really??? Why don't you get back to us when it becomes a "a major political issues" [sic] ?
(not counting the Faux Talk robot heads and Fatass Pillpopper Limbaugh, that is)

They don't fit the criteria I mentioned. That's why I ignored your post.

I asked you a question and you gave me an incorrect answer. That's your problem not mine and only further proves that I'm right and your wrong.

If I asked you what's 2 + 2, the answer is 4. Don't tell me the answer is 5 . . . .There are right answers and wrong answers. You are apparently full of wrong answers.

Tell me, what is it like living inside that dark little box you call a mind?

Right-wing authoritarianism ​

This is the black/white team we're dealing with here. Right left black white right wrong straight gay. No grey allowed. You can't rally the troops with those grey issues.

And judging from some of the OP's prior racially charged posts, it's sometimes literally black/white. #29

People like you are too easy to figure out.

Too bad people like him can't figure themselves out. Life could be so much better for everyone else.

So sorry that your scope of friends are as narrow-minded as your political beliefs.

Don't forget now, 'some of his best friends are black'. :wink: #60

Three questions, KTF: If you think "secular[ism]" is one of your three identifying "liberal" "left-wing" traits, and you despise liberals and left-wingers, is secularism a trait you object to? Do you think our nation, as in our government and Constitution, are secular or religiously based? What do you think our nation should be in this regard? I'd really like to know where you stand on this.

 

[maxcok]

Soooo disingenuous.

Oh no, it's baaaaack. Can't wait for the mindless repetitions to resume. :rolleyes2:

Also there ^ is another contender for most ironic statement. Wow, they're really piling up.

you KNOW if this was a right wing looney instead of a left wing looney you and your bunch would be calling a typical right wing person - the right wing is dangerous - the right wing needs to be shut down blah blah blah.

Yes, that's exactly what we'd be saying.

But NOOOooooo you guys own this nut job and now it's....oh no....he is just crazy he isn't a left wing. He is not one of US......

HA.

Oh crap, you got us there. Okay, we confess. We own this gun-toting nutjob. HAHA

"James J. Lee, who was protesting what he said was the network's promotion of overpopulation, was fatally shot by police after taking three people captive at the company headquarters in Maryland. He said the network and its affiliates should stop "encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants." Instead, he said, it should air "programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility."

"NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis," he wrote.

"I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so," he wrote. "I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it."

Discovery Channel hostage crisis ends with gunman's death : LA Times‎​

Anyways. You lefties are dangerous...

Ding, ding, ding. And we have a winner folks. There it is. Most ironic statement of the decade!!!

 

[HazelGod]

BOOM goes the dynamite.