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If we compare Nelson and Le Grand:
Nelson likely has power over Gamma and SayUncle that he can prevent anyone from revealing his possible new identity especially here where doxxing is banned and even takes down old solos in any platform while Le Grand has embraced his new persona and has likely given up his work in the School he was working at, based on what I observed, they both have a valid reason for these behaviors.
 
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Yeah, the problem is that it is very difficult for most people, especially men, to make a good income on OF. It requires too much time and too many disparate skills. And, if a model becomes successful, all the dms have to be managed. Models are forced to seek out the help of agencies and others. Sadly, that destroys one of the very things people think OF should provide: personal communication with the models.
Except that none of it is actually ever personal communication, even if written by the model whose page it is. They are just writing into the ether and probably have a document with a bunch of pat responses they can copy and paste in.

I get that when something is badly written it blows the fantasy of direct communication, but who is to say that prior ones people thought were him were actually him? The issue is just the quality of the responses overall, not who is writing them.

Ultimately it's a parasocial relationship with a power dynamic benefiting the model, which is whey they get paid.

Also, don't we all know what Legrand looks like naked and in action about 1,000 times by now? At least he tries to be creative with scenarios but it all ends up looking the same anyhow.

Yes, I'm burned out on most porn by now. Just count yourself lucky I'm not the one responding to OF messages.
 

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Except that none of it is actually ever personal communication, even if written by the model whose page it is. They are just writing into the ether and probably have a document with a bunch of pat responses they can copy and paste in.

I get that when something is badly written it blows the fantasy of direct communication, but who is to say that prior ones people thought were him were actually him? The issue is just the quality of the responses overall, not who is writing them.

Ultimately it's a parasocial relationship with a power dynamic benefiting the model, which is whey they get paid.

Also, don't we all know what Legrand looks like naked and in action about 1,000 times by now? At least he tries to be creative with scenarios but it all ends up looking the same anyhow.

Yes, I'm burned out on most porn by now. Just count yourself lucky I'm not the one responding to OF messages.
I agree. Perhaps I should have phrased that more carefully. You'll note I did say, "the very things people THINK OF should provide." With agencies like this, however, the illusion is completely blown.

The notion of the parasocial, however, is somewhat problematic I would say. How can you tell that any human interaction is not parasocial? I never really thought about how to define that concept much, but now that I think about it, it's an epistemologically interesting question.
 

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So not just interesting, but epistemologically interesting, huh? lol

Just kidding, I have no clue what that word means lol
Oh, I saw the word "parasocial" and just thought I needed to up my game for the heady intellectual heights we have reached. :)

Epistemological merely means something having to do with questions of knowledge. My meaning was that it is interesting to play around with the idea of how we would know something is "parasocial." I mean, could it be possible that ALL our relationships are parasocial? Or none are? I mean, if all the people around me are just machines or illusions that I'm interacting with, I think all my relations with them would qualify as parasocial. On the other hand, if all the people I interact with are just unwitting personae of a loving God who cares about me deeply, perhaps even my most superficial relationships are not parasocial

The world we live in is a vale of funhouse mirrors—especially the Ukiyo, that is, the floating world.

Clearly, I have too much time on my hands tonight. Actually, I'm procrastinating to avoid doing some boring work I don't want to do.
 

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Except that none of it is actually ever personal communication, even if written by the model whose page it is. They are just writing into the ether and probably have a document with a bunch of pat responses they can copy and paste in.

I get that when something is badly written it blows the fantasy of direct communication, but who is to say that prior ones people thought were him were actually him? The issue is just the quality of the responses overall, not who is writing them.

Ultimately it's a parasocial relationship with a power dynamic benefiting the model, which is whey they get paid.

Also, don't we all know what Legrand looks like naked and in action about 1,000 times by now? At least he tries to be creative with scenarios but it all ends up looking the same anyhow.

Yes, I'm burned out on most porn by now. Just count yourself lucky I'm not the one responding to OF messages.

Oh, one more thought! I now would like to hear some of the responses you would make if you were serving as an agent for, say, Legrand Wolf. Imagine I typed in his chat, "I want to meet you on New Years Eve at the top of the Empire State Building in six months—like in 'An Affair to Remember'" What would your response be?
 

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Oh, one more thought! I now would like to hear some of the responses you would make if you were serving as an agent for, say, Legrand Wolf. Imagine I typed in his chat, "I want to meet you on New Years Eve at the top of the Empire State Building in six months—like in 'An Affair to Remember'" What would your response be?
I was thinking of the standard definition of parasocial as reflected here: What Is a Parasocial Relationship?

So while in-person relationships in real time and space, or online connections with a person one actually met at one point, can definitely be one-sided and have power dynamics, they wouldn't fall under the current definition of parasocial.

But in the sense that the concept of media is changing, with so much content from so many sources, including completely non-famous individuals who still use media platforms, albeit for small audiences, perhaps the idea of parasocial will expand.

People do offer tiered access to increasing parasocial connections, such as YouTubers or podcasters offering additional content on Patreon, some of which may include more direct interaction. That's somewhat more like Only Fans in the sense there is another barrier to interaction, however Only Fans in particular offers not just whatever the end content and interactions are, but the promise of what they may be.

Sometimes people buy a fast food item because of the advertising, even if they know there has been food styling using inedible materials like the perfect scoop of ice cream made from instant potato flakes. Sometimes people just experience the disappointment of what they received versus what was promised.

I recall Subway got in trouble because some of their "foot long" products were not. Overall, there is too much leeway with marketing in my opinion. And I don't think just because something may be considered a fast food product, or a leisure/self-indulgence product like OF, that rules should be slackened. If anything, they should be stronger because consumers are in a more vulnerable state when shopping for those types of products.

Back to the social aspect, you may or may not watch Star Trek. In Star Trek Voyager, the Captain had an intimate relationship with a holodeck character at one point, which essentially is generated by the ship's computer to certain specifications. Without going into total detail on the plot permutations, though some could be helpful to consider, the ship's doctor, himself a hologram, albeit one with an exceptional matrix, self-awareness and growth over time, told the Captain that while the hologram was not a real person, her feelings were still real.

So in the sense that badly written OF responses can break that illusion of actually communicating with the model, so too can they break the potential for a parasocial relationship. Yes, those are one-sided in an emotional sense, but even that one side may be blocked from happening in that case, even more so than if the person never responded in the first place. Because by not responding, they would maintain the possibility of them eventually responding with just the right thing that would ping those emotions.

I think when someone messages an OF account, they should not assume they are speaking to the model. But I think it's fair to hope that a response would be in the voice of the model. That voice could also be expressed by them in the text that goes along with posts, their general description, what they say in videos, and to some extent what they do.

They could promote this parasocial opportunity by calling out subscribers in posts, saying a subscriber encouraged the to do such and such act, or that they get dozens of messages saying how much people liked such and such post. None of those things may have actually occurred but it gives the illusion of engagement and responsiveness and maybe would increase actual engagement.

As for how I would respond, it would completely depend on the voice of my account. Otherwise I would vamp. Your message has an air of romance so I would probably try to blend that with something on the sexual side, like some talk about 1950s clothing we would wear. I would not focus on the actual plot of the movie which included the accident on the initial day they were to meet on the observation deck. I would also go on a rant about how much I think Meg Ryan is garbage and Sleepless in Seattle is an overrated knockoff. But only if you had a fetish for rants against Meg Ryan and Sleepless in Seattle.
 

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I was thinking of the standard definition of parasocial as reflected here: What Is a Parasocial Relationship?

So while in-person relationships in real time and space, or online connections with a person one actually met at one point, can definitely be one-sided and have power dynamics, they wouldn't fall under the current definition of parasocial.

But in the sense that the concept of media is changing, with so much content from so many sources, including completely non-famous individuals who still use media platforms, albeit for small audiences, perhaps the idea of parasocial will expand.

People do offer tiered access to increasing parasocial connections, such as YouTubers or podcasters offering additional content on Patreon, some of which may include more direct interaction. That's somewhat more like Only Fans in the sense there is another barrier to interaction, however Only Fans in particular offers not just whatever the end content and interactions are, but the promise of what they may be.

Sometimes people buy a fast food item because of the advertising, even if they know there has been food styling using inedible materials like the perfect scoop of ice cream made from instant potato flakes. Sometimes people just experience the disappointment of what they received versus what was promised.

I recall Subway got in trouble because some of their "foot long" products were not. Overall, there is too much leeway with marketing in my opinion. And I don't think just because something may be considered a fast food product, or a leisure/self-indulgence product like OF, that rules should be slackened. If anything, they should be stronger because consumers are in a more vulnerable state when shopping for those types of products.

Back to the social aspect, you may or may not watch Star Trek. In Star Trek Voyager, the Captain had an intimate relationship with a holodeck character at one point, which essentially is generated by the ship's computer to certain specifications. Without going into total detail on the plot permutations, though some could be helpful to consider, the ship's doctor, himself a hologram, albeit one with an exceptional matrix, self-awareness and growth over time, told the Captain that while the hologram was not a real person, her feelings were still real.

So in the sense that badly written OF responses can break that illusion of actually communicating with the model, so too can they break the potential for a parasocial relationship. Yes, those are one-sided in an emotional sense, but even that one side may be blocked from happening in that case, even more so than if the person never responded in the first place. Because by not responding, they would maintain the possibility of them eventually responding with just the right thing that would ping those emotions.

I think when someone messages an OF account, they should not assume they are speaking to the model. But I think it's fair to hope that a response would be in the voice of the model. That voice could also be expressed by them in the text that goes along with posts, their general description, what they say in videos, and to some extent what they do.

They could promote this parasocial opportunity by calling out subscribers in posts, saying a subscriber encouraged the to do such and such act, or that they get dozens of messages saying how much people liked such and such post. None of those things may have actually occurred but it gives the illusion of engagement and responsiveness and maybe would increase actual engagement.

As for how I would respond, it would completely depend on the voice of my account. Otherwise I would vamp. Your message has an air of romance so I would probably try to blend that with something on the sexual side, like some talk about 1950s clothing we would wear. I would not focus on the actual plot of the movie which included the accident on the initial day they were to meet on the observation deck. I would also go on a rant about how much I think Meg Ryan is garbage and Sleepless in Seattle is an overrated knockoff. But only if you had a fetish for rants against Meg Ryan and Sleepless in Seattle.
Totally awesome response! Much better than my silliness required. But, you know, I have one thing to say. Give a model enough money, and they will engage you personally. Sadly, that usually involves a lot of money.
 
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Oh, and while we're on this topic, let me just note one thing that bothers me. I have read claims that many of the people actually responding to dms on OF work in really exploitative environments. One hears stuff about virtual prisons outside of Bangkok where enslaved people have to write dms for places like OF all day. I'm not sure that is true, but it's disturbing.
 

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Oh, and while we're on this topic, let me just note one thing that bothers me. I have read claims that many of the people actually responding to dms on OF work in really exploitative environments. One hears stuff about virtual prisons outside of Bangkok where enslaved people have to write dms for places like OF all day. I'm not sure that is true, but it's disturbing.

Since you're disturbed at that possibility, I would suggest you get the Good On You app that rates companies based on things like how they treat workers and the environment. The fact that exploitation occurs in many industries in addition to some in sex work isn't to rank the all and say what's worse. I'm just pointing out that people will vilify sex work (or work adjacent to sex work) while celebrating industries that do much more harm overall because the latter are ones they are more connected to directly, such as shopping at the Gap. Gap - Sustainability Rating - Good On You

Anyhow, this one doesn't mention the details you cited, but was one of the big articles that made people aware of this. Think You're Messaging an OnlyFans Star? You're Talking to These Guys That and Amanda Tori Meating talking about having been an agency chatter for a living prior to getting on RuPaul's Drag Race Season 16. For her it was a choice.

There's also the ethical consideration that it's in a sense catfishing. But look at the social media of major celebrities and they all have content moderators and the content may be entirely created by staff. But the difference may be it's carefully done in the voice of the celebrity, or if it's for a brand then it's clear it's written by a customer service person as the brand is not one person anyhow.

There's something to be said for old school peep shows. Put a token in the slot and barrier slides up revealing a writhing naked person behind glass. Or maybe they're sitting there reading a newspaper and drop it once the barrier slides up. At least it was the person, no intermediary. Fast forward 30 years and there will be modernized peep shows in one's apartment. Your phone will act as a holographic projector and put a three dimensional naked person on your coffee table. As a bonus, these could be live projections of an actual model in the moment, otherwise prerecorded.

Of course the most advanced technology is the brain, no tokens required if one uses one's own imagination.
 

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He knows his audience, but I'm bored with his stuff. It's him railing a small twink. They look the same. He needs to mix it up. He should bottom. Heck, I'd even take a wank video of him. Or, do videos with his actual husband. Who is rather hot as well.