Lest We Forget!

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  1. JustAsking

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    A new study shows:

    "President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses." read more....
     
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    I can anticipate what the responses to the report will be:

    "This is just more liberal media tripe...."

    "Yah, well a majority of Democrats voted for the invasion...blah blah blah."

    "Other nations believed Saddam had WMDs so we were justified in invading."

    "Iraq was violating UN accords so we were justified in invading."

    "Saddam was an evil dictator so we were justified in invading."

    "Well, Bill Clinton did nothing. At least Bush tried to....blah blah blah."

    "The WMD's might still be found. Iraq is a big hiding place...blah blah blah."

    "There's no proof Bush lied. It was just an honest mistake...blah blah blah."
     
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    I heard about this in my American Government class today. It doesn't surprise me any!
     
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    I wish they could be sentenced to serve in the Afghan or Iraqi army as privates. They would get a very close view of what they have caused.
     
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    I am certainly not surprised.
    I just can't understand why, he hasn't been censured, or booted out of office.
    What is the reason, for no action being taken, J.A.?
    Or anyone?
    cigarbabe:saevil:
     
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    Finding the truth doesn't always mean guilty. =(
     
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    the truth about the lies surrounding the iraq invasion have been widely known for some time now. and thousands of americans find it as deceitful and dishonest as I do....but the 'why' nothing has ever been done to adequately retribute for the mis-use of governmental power question, is not so easily answered- yet how quickly punitive actions were taken against 'someone' for getting blow jobs???:eek: C'mon.
    says something not very favorable about the governing of our country, I think.
     
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    I think it is as simple as the fact that until 2006 we had a strong Republican majority in the legislature, and now there is only a slight Democratic majority. Either way, not enough votes to censure or impeach.
     
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    Indeed. The Democrats can't even pass a bill with the feeble majority they have now. Forget censures and impeachment.

    This country is apparently full of idiots who don't care about giving up their rights.

    I'm pushing for secession. As always.
     
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    I think truthiness was the straw that broke Colin Powell's back.

    If it is true that Bush lied to sway public opinion for the invasion then the CIA and all the intelligence agencies in the western world were in collusion as all confirmed that Sadam had WMD's.

    Although it is not written about I think there was a personal vendetta between Sr. Bush and Sadam that W was compelled to vindicate with a job his dad did not complete. I feel it heavily influenced his and his advisors tunnel vision to invade Iraq in order to get Sadams head on a stick. To leave Sadam unpunished and in power after the Kuwait invasion was just too bitter a pill to swallow for the son and former advisors of a president who was made an ass of. 911 became the perfect ruse to get that head.
     
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    why don't we talk about something interesting? Like the curve of notthe7's spine?
     
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    Remember three and a half years ago?

    A refresher that took me five seconds to find on Google, seems fairly balanced after a quick scan: The CIA and Iraq's WMD
     
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    that's my duder
     
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    Powell was humiliated by his bosses and, like the gentleman he is, left the stage in quiet dignity. I hope he publishes, The Education of Colin Powell.

    The personal vendetta is spot on. Recall that Saddam attempted to assassinate his father during a foreign visit (to Dubai I think). I think he took that personally.

    Let us also not forget that invasion plans were given to Bill Clinton. He was fed the same line as Bush was yet Clinton didn't fall for it. The reason to invade Iraq, still, comes down to oil and regional control. Both goals are satisfied by a US-occupied Iraq. It gives Iran a foil and the US a strategic position that allows it to control the region. As oil reserves in the middle east decline, it will be a free-for-all to get at the oil and everyone with a half-decent army will come calling for it. By invading and controlling Iraq, we've beat the competition to the punch.

    The whole business about the evil of Saddam, WMDs, blah blah blah is all a side show to the strategic threat of peak oil. Though Saudi (and Kuwait) hold the largest reserves in the region, the US cannot occupy Saudi as it is holy soil and while we can afford to piss off the Saudi population, we cannot afford to piss off one billion Muslims; hence our extremely quiet leave of Saudi and our installment in adjoining Qatar (which, interestingly, was bin Laden's biggest complaint against the US).

    The fact is we need a solid ally in the region to look after our oil pipeline coming from the Caspian nations and a means of asserting our hegemony over the middle east. Iraq's mere location satisfied all those requirements.

    The US has nothing against dictators. The US has overthrown democratically-elected governments to install dictators as, if not more, bloodthirsty than Saddam. Don't believe for an instant his particular brand of evil was any more abhorrent than any other dictator's.

     
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    And if you think Pelosi and congress are going to do anything to Bush or Cheney once they leave office.....
     
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    Wow, we will have been there for 5 years in March. I suspect we will be there for another 20 unless we find a way off our oil based economy.

    It's too bad that CATO report and all the information uncovering faulty intelligence came one year after the invasion. If the lie was called on before the invasion perhaps we never would have gone. We were already up to our necks when it was revealed. Interesting that Bush Sr. was the head of the CIA at one time.
     
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    Thanks for this thread JustAsking, I have been reading up on this subject and it literally makes me ill to think of the lives lost (American and Iraqi alike) all because of some screwed and poorly executed agenda.

    Iraq's Prime Minister said he will need American troops for at least another 10 years. The awful part is that no matter who gets into the White House this year, they will probably be committed to this campaign in Iraq. Like it or not.

    And all of this because someone lied and now no one will fess up to who exactly was leading the lie.
     
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    I've never been so confident about the assertion that all the intelligence agencies of the US and its allies were totally mistaken about Saddam and his capabilities. That's a bit of a stretch to believe. Ask yourself: Who makes such an claim and whose interest does it serve? And how can such a claim be verified?

    How does the unwashed public really know what various US and foreign intelligence agencies internally concluded about the threat Saddam actually posed? Are intelligence agencies in the habit of generously making public all their findings and conclusions (and thus risk revealing their sources)? I think not.

    Remember: the CIA and similar agencies in the US work for the executive. They do what he tells them to. All we know is what information the Bush administration chose to make public to build support for invasion.
     
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    It seems quite possible to me that the Bush administration humiliated the intelligence community, as it did Colin Powel, and that the recent National Security Estimate that stated Iran has not been working on nuclear weapons for quite a few years was some payback. They certainly pulled the rug out from Bush/Cheney and their war with Iran drumbeat. They were dying to start something up before/if they leave office. Hah!
    Dave
     
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