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I’d like to hear people‘s thoughts about the LGB alliance. Do they have any good points or are they being completely unreasonable? Should the LGB and T go their separate ways? If so, why or why not? Does any transsexuals agree with anything the LGB alliance have said? I feel that some trans activists can be a bit loud, provocative and don’t necessarily represent the regular transsexual and their world view. I’d like to see if there is any nuance to this or if there’s an unanimous agreement on these things among transsexuals. Thanks
 

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Cis gay man here, I cannot stand the LGB alliance, it was founded in opposition to trans rights. It seems to be a hate group, mostly filled with queer TERFs and bigots. I really strongly side-eye any gays, lesbians or bi people supporting this group, trans people are slowly gaining visibility, and unfortunately encountering a lot of bigoted pushback.

Pretty much all of the transphobic tropes I've seen thrown at trans people over the last few years ("predators", "recruiting the young" etc.) are simply rehashed homophobic tropes from the 80's to the 2000's, and I think you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to not recognise those as such. Trans people have been actively involved in our struggle for acceptance and equality from the Stonewall riots onwards, and they are a highly marginalised group in our society, who (in my opinion and most other LGBTs) are a valued part of our community. Furthermore, the rise in transphobic rhetoric is fuelling not only transphobic hate crimes, but also homophobic ones. It makes no sense for any of us to split, and plenty of trans men and women are not straight anyway, so there's that too.
 
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I've been looking at this thread all afternoon. Part of me wanting to voice my opinion and part of me thinking the wise thing is just stay away from it.

I don't really see any reason for trans people to align with lgb people other than strength in numbers. I also think that is why we see the alphabet people growing the alphabet they use constantly. I have friends from all walks of life and sexualities. None of which, by the way, feel a need to carry signs and wave the ugliest flag ever in the entire history of flags.

Your feeling that some trans activists have pushed beyond reason I agree with 100%.

The trans athlete debate is one that shines a light on this better than most. I am trans and wish nothing but the best for our community. But any trans femme who supports amab people, who have finished or are well into puberty, competing against cis women are obviously fine with having the scales severely tilted in their favor and care not at all for the women who are unable to compete any longer.

The videos of people I would assume to be male screaming at counter help because they were misgendered? Please. That is someone looking for an excuse to cancel an innocent bystander just so they can garner some attention.

Don't even get me started on the ridiculous made up pronouns.

So yes, it seems there is an attack on anything conventional now. It almost feels less like they are fighting for rights and more like they are trying to extract some sort of revenge.

Don't get me wrong. I understand gender dysphoria and am thankful my own is not debilitating. But these attacks on society do precious little to nothing as to providing help and support to those truly in need. In fact, I feel we are being used by them as an excuse to attack. And many people who would otherwise be happy to let me live my life happily now feel a need to defend against me. That is wrong. My life is exactly that, my life. It's not their cause.

The flaming may now commence.
 

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Firstly I absolutely believe that trans people should have their rights upheld and there needs to be a movement to combat discrimination etc.

However I also believe that the current LGBTQ+ alliance is broken. It has become something that groups people together who have different issues (sexuality and gender are not the same). In the end this results in no one getting their message across as clearly as they could as there is such a wide range of issues and desires.

Personally I think there should be a split.
 

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Sorry to ressurect this thread, but there are things going around with the LGB alliance in the UK & Twitter that warrant my reply.

As AlyssaMTF very correctly mentioned above, there is no aligment whatsoever between TQI+ and LGB people other than "strength in numbers" and as the new progress flag clearly shows, it seems like the various LGBT organisations have completed their mission with LGB people, and now are just expanding their scope to other areas to prove their relevance. a good example is the "progress pride flag" that now has "people of colour", intersex, etc. sections on it.

i will not go into detail on my opinions about the pronouns, near-unlimited amount of genders, and early adoption to trans affirming medication to pre-pubescent boys and girls etc, but i definitely think there is a very large amount of LGB people, (you can even call them conservatives if you want. they exist) that definitely align with the idea that something like the LGB alliance has its own mission and merit to exist.

In a more separationist logic, definitely one opinion is that the fights for TQI+ causes are actually damaging the existing LGB community with homophobia on the rise since a significant percent of the population does not agree with the TQI+ agenda.
 
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Pure and simple they are biggots with very outdated views that resort to calling anyone that opposes them pedophiles. They have no real argument and have no good points to make. It’s a hate group pure and simple
 
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Pure and simple they are biggots with very outdated views that resort to calling anyone that opposes them pedophiles. They have no real argument and have no good points to make. It’s a hate group pure and simple
I do think there is a problem with trans access to certain areas. Shower/locker rooms, spas even bathrooms. I know more than just a few trans fem people and don't personally know a single one that would do anything but defend children.

And while I am confident that pedophilia is extremely rare in the trans community I do not think that pretending to be trans is rare in the community of pedophiles. Meanwhile trans activism has created a situation where scrutiny is so relaxed as to no longer exist. Deny access to a guy who says he's a trans woman and that business will likely be accused of transphobia and canceled in a blink. How do you separate the pedos from legitimate trans people?

Of course the same happens across any demographic to some extent. But the ease by which a predator can use a trans identity to gain access is disturbing. We've all seen the headlines, it exists. Personally I simply avoid places where there can be any confusion. And I really don't mind. I also know that doesn't work for many. I have no idea what the solution might be, a practical one at any rate.
 
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Sorry to ressurect this thread, but there are things going around with the LGB alliance in the UK & Twitter that warrant my reply.

As AlyssaMTF very correctly mentioned above, there is no aligment whatsoever between TQI+ and LGB people other than "strength in numbers" and as the new progress flag clearly shows, it seems like the various LGBT organisations have completed their mission with LGB people, and now are just expanding their scope to other areas to prove their relevance. a good example is the "progress pride flag" that now has "people of colour", intersex, etc. sections on it.

i will not go into detail on my opinions about the pronouns, near-unlimited amount of genders, and early adoption to trans affirming medication to pre-pubescent boys and girls etc, but i definitely think there is a very large amount of LGB people, (you can even call them conservatives if you want. they exist) that definitely align with the idea that something like the LGB alliance has its own mission and merit to exist.

In a more separationist logic, definitely one opinion is that the fights for TQI+ causes are actually damaging the existing LGB community with homophobia on the rise since a significant percent of the population does not agree with the TQI+ agenda.
I'm glad you kicked some life into it. This is a very important issue.
 
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The trans lobby desperately needs the gay rights movement, because we were successful and they are not. The polling on trans issues continues to be absolutely dire, and totally out of sync with the narrative that's being pushed. What activists call "extremist views" are consistently held by a decisive majority of the public. A June 2022 Ipsos poll commissioned by NPR, using NPR preferred language (for example, "gender transition medical care"), found a huge majority (63%) opposed to even such 'basic' demands as letting trans women play women's sports. Not even a majority of Democrats supported it, and independents hated it. Other polls show even less support for greater demands.

I always expected the LGB Alliance to be roundly attacked by the trans lobby, and that's indeed what is happening. The trans lobby needs LGBT to be a package deal, because protections for "sexual orientation and gender identity" get voted into law, but "gender identity" alone don't.

I'm not opposed to trans rights, but it does sting that the trans lobby has hijacked fifty years of slow, methodical, patient and hard-won progress on gay rights to wage a war for totally unrelated issues, many of which are far more nuanced than the gays' simple request to be left alone ever was. And they've completely hollowed out our advocacy groups - open any gay rights org website today, or any gay news mag, and it's 90% trans news.