Liberals are less tolerant of the views of others

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Like some earlier posts, I have to question the definition of the word "tolerance". Because tolerating an intolerant opinion isn't being tolerant, it's being intolerant (as a previous poster stated). That sentence is a mucked-up mess, but it does make sense to me. Someone who has an extreme anti-gay viewpoint has a right to their opinions, and to speak them, but when these views are called out as the homophobia that they are, that person gives up the right to legitimately be offended at all the "intolerance" being directed at them, as well as the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching overreaction. Conservatives don't generally have a clue why certain things bug us liberals the way that they do, and so their attempts to take our outrage over serious issues and transfer them to some petty, silly and/or intolerant issue of the day more often than not makes them look foolish. Conservatives do some things better than liberals, for sure: they are more organized, less likely to have divergent viewpoints, etc. But when it comes to tolerance, that is quite literally the foundation on which most liberals ideals are based.

All of this is my opinion, wanted to share but I am not interested in getting into a respond-a-thon over something very few people reading this will be changing their minds about. Carry on, folks.
 

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That's what the author of the article below (linked) says.

I think it's probably accurate. Using this forum as one example, one can find many posts by liberals here that just seethe with hatred of Republicans. My suggestion to those posters would be to stop calling them names and saying vicious things about them and, instead, engage them in a respectful dialogue. I encounter more than a few liberal posters who consider themselves to be morally superior to conservatives and who speak of conservatives as if they're evil, sub-human cockroaches that should just be squashed. As they say, nobody hates like the enlightened, tolerant, loving left!

Here's an excerpt from the linked article below:

The new research found that instead of engaging in civil discourse or debate, fully 16% of liberals admitted to blocking, unfriending or overtly hiding someone on a social networking site because that person expressed views they disagreed with. That's double the percentage of conservatives and more than twice the percentage of political moderates who behaved like that.

Blog: Liberal intolerance, by the numbers


That's a blatantly partisan blog, and the survey was entitled "Social networking sites and politics". It makes findings with regards to how users of social networks report their reactions to the political views of others. It's hardly the stuff on which to hang a blanket statement such as: Liberals are less tolerant of the views of others.
 

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^ Oh. It came from "The American 'Thinker'"... enough said. Yellow blogging at it finest.

Why are conservatives on the web so addicted such anti-intellectual sources when there are very well respected conservative authors and journals to quote from?

On the "Thinker?" I just clicked a story and found this peevish hatchet job on Michelle Obama. I mean, how horrible do you have to be to write that?
 

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"I think your characterizations are pretty extreme. Labeling an entire party as intolerant because they oppose gay marriage is, well, counterproductive. There are many Republicans that support your right to that basic premise in society yet you denigrate us all just the same. We may have different perspectives on various social and political matters but you villify many good people that are actually on your side on a lot of things."



Well, if you're willing to overlook the fact that you'll be voting for an anti-gay bigot because you view the government's taxation of the heavenly "job creators" as an unforgiveable attack on liberty that's your prerogative. And you know you'll be voting for Mitt Romney, not Meghan McCain, right?
 
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I think the problem I'm having with this thread is that you seem to be conflating liberals as a whole with "liberal politicians." The two populations are not one and the same. On the one hand you have a group of people, arguably between 30 and 40 percent of the population, who have vastly divergent viewpoints that center on a core of common themes. On the other hand you have people who make their livings serving in public office.

When you say "liberals are less tolerant of the views of others" you're not just talking about politicians - you're talking about bankers, bakers, stay-at-home moms, lawyers, gardeners, farmers, school teachers, and yes, politicians. Then, on top of it, you set up an argument that assumes that "tolerance" is a virtue.

Well, as vince pointed out so eloquently, tolerance is NOT a virtue a lot of liberals admire. Nor is it something a lot of us seek. I, for one, don't want Michele Bachmann to tolerate my homosexuality. In fact, I think she already tolerates is just fine. She is, in fact, still alive, no matter how gay I am. That's tolerance. What I want from her is acceptance. I am who I am, and she needs to accept that. When it comes to economic policy, I prefer the economic system of our founding fathers. If the agrarian economic system was good enough for them, and so many of our non-economic policy is still based on working with the agrarian economy, I don't see why it can't be good enough for us! But, I guess, that really makes me a conservative who's just out of his time.

*shrug*

In any case, I'm not a politician. I don't like being lumped in with them. They do the job they do, wether I agree with them or not, and I do the job I do. Please stop taking your distaste for politicians out on me.

Nice post and point taken! :cool:
 

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Well, if you're willing to overlook the fact that you'll be voting for an anti-gay bigot because you view the government's taxation of the heavenly "job creators" as an unforgiveable attack on liberty that's your prerogative. And you know you'll be voting for Mitt Romney, not Meghan McCain, right?

Do you believe Romney is a bigot?

I believe this country needs a great CEO. Obama is NOT. Romney might or might not be but will most certainly be a drastic improvement over Obama who has been a catastrophic FAILURE as POTUS.
 

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I believe this country needs a great CEO. Obama is NOT. Romney might or might not be but will most certainly be a drastic improvement over Obama who has been a catastrophic FAILURE as POTUS.

We've had thirty years of the CEOs running the country. Been great for *them*. Not so much for everyone else.
 

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One of my favorite quotes I use when people start stating their political views...

"If you are on the far right or the far left, you know what you've done.... You've gone too far."

To pro-lifers I tell them to go to an ICU in a hospital and find a woman who has been beaten, raped, and as a result impregnated by her rapist. Then try and convince her that it was a blessing from god and she should have the child and feel lucky about it. Do that and I will listen to anything you have to say on the subject.

For those who believe that you shouldn't have sex unless the intent is solely to make a baby and contraceptives are from the devil, like some of the republicans in america today, I would like to tell their sexual partners "Don't fuck them till you want kids.... ever!" And see how long they are willing to continue to hold their position on sex.

To anti-gay people I tell them that if they want to get rid of gay people then they should stop having sex. Cause that's where the gay people come from. Two gay people can't make more gay people. Rubbing pussies or taking a dick in the ass has never resulted in a baby.

To racists, black/white/asian/middle eastern/ whatever, I tell them the next time you have a racist thought keep it to yourself. Nothing good has ever come from those comments. You can't go around pretending those thoughts don't exist either. If you see a posse coming your way change directions. Cause if you walk into the middle of them, odds are something bad gonna happen to ya.

As for religious people, this part is going to be bit long, the only religous people i have gotten into descussions with have been evangelical christians. I would love to have the kind of faith they do, but... I have thoughts. And according to them I am a bad person because I like to have my own opinions. I ask them to pretend for a moment that their religion hasn't been around for over 2000 years and that it was something new just making it's way around. You want people to believe there is an invisible man that lives in the sky who watches every move you make every second of every day. If you do what his book tell you then when you die you will spend eternity in paradise. If you don't then you will spend eternity in a dark pit where you will burn forever... but he loves you.

The main difference I see in atheists and deeply religious people is that if god comes down in the middle of wrestlemania and says "stop all this fighting my children" an atheist will say "All be damned, there he is. I believe you now. Praise the lord." A deeply religious person on the other hand will never change their beliefs no matter how many facts you throw at them or how logical your arguement maybe. To religion in general though, I am betting if you take todays various holy books and compare them to the originals the shit ain't gonna match up.

Religious organizations do many good things. They do their best to give food and shelter to those in need. They build schools, hospitals, and support low cost housing. They employ countless people around they world. They give comfort to the grieving and bring communities together. There is no denying the world would be worse off without the assistance they provide.

People are going to believe what they believe. Many times their views don't match up with yours. The world is going to change no matter what. No path is darker than when your eyes are shut. Atleast try to see all sides before you dismiss them outright. You can kick and scream trying to resist and get left behind or you can participate and try to help move the world forward to a better tomorrow. (time for a joke) In the words of Captain Planet "The power is yours!"
 
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Do you believe Romney is a bigot?

I believe this country needs a great CEO. Obama is NOT. Romney might or might not be but will most certainly be a drastic improvement over Obama who has been a catastrophic FAILURE as POTUS.


You seriously are asking if someone who supports a constitutional amendment to US constitution to ban gay marriage is a bigot or not? And if it weren't for daddy's money and having no qualms about stealing from people's pension funds to add to his back pocket in the companies he "saved", he wouldn't be such a "success". It sounds like you'd vote for Joe the Plumber, or anyone as long as they're not Obama.
 

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You seriously are asking if someone who supports a constitutional amendment to US constitution to ban gay marriage is a bigot or not? And if it weren't for daddy's money and having no qualms about stealing from people's pension funds to add to his back pocket in the companies he "saved", he wouldn't be such a "success". It sounds like you'd vote for Joe the Plumber, or anyone as long as they're not Obama.

I must admit I wasn't aware that Romney supported such a thing. That's disappointing to hear.

I don't like Obama's economic ideology but outside of that he's a charming guy and has a beautiful family. I just don't think his approach to the economy is the way to go.
 

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On the "Thinker?" I just clicked a story and found this peevish hatchet job on Michelle Obama. I mean, how horrible do you have to be to write that?

That truly was a heinous, ridiculous article: I clicked, read and got very sore (which was probably the point to such an ugly, polemical article).

I must admit I wasn't aware that Romney supported such a thing. That's disappointing to hear.

Do your homework next time; Romney is "severely" anti-gay.

That's what the author of the article below (linked) says.

I think it's probably accurate. Using this forum as one example, one can find many posts by liberals here that just seethe with hatred of Republicans. My suggestion to those posters would be to stop calling them names and saying vicious things about them and, instead, engage them in a respectful dialogue. I encounter more than a few liberal posters who consider themselves to be morally superior to conservatives and who speak of conservatives as if they're evil, sub-human cockroaches that should just be squashed. As they say, nobody hates like the enlightened, tolerant, loving left!

I find it an odd degree of fascinating that conservatives espouse rabid anti-gay verbiage, and at the same time that demand "tolerance" that would send us all back to felons, simply by our choice in life partners. There are curtailments on freedom of speech (that the least of which involves yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater). There are several GOP candidates who'd with to do that automatically and reflexively. You of course about whom I speak.

And, linked very much to the above, decided that the expression "family values" cannot in anyway be justified, as if my family counts for less than others and, ultimately is some sort of blasphemy to suggest otherwise. And to suggest that such speech is "pure rhetoric" both undermines a vital speaking-point to the point of nothing or else begs my "tolerance", as he was obviously speaking of others.

Like so many others (both libs and conserves), there's a sincere wish out there to demonize one's fellow citizens for being somehow "anti-American"(though it's essentially a Republican thing); I'm hardly that. I've lived in the US for over 50 years with a brief detour to France (if you've read me, you'll know how that ended): I am plainly, entirely American. But when a presidential candidate's main focus is divining who's a "real American" from the others, then hell yeah! I take such insults (especially from a major-party candidate) extremely personal. I dare say you'd do the same, were your feet in my shoes.

A dog whistle by any other name is just as powerful.

Thanks for the kind words.
You're welcome: and I mean that completely seriously. I do so wish, however, that you'd relent on Pat Buchanan's Culture Wars.

I agree. I've never encounted more racist, bigotted, close-minded, anti-intellectual, name calling group of people in my life than the liberals on this board.

Obviously you've never been to Free Republic's website:rolleyes:

Well, as vince pointed out so eloquently, tolerance is NOT a virtue a lot of liberals admire. Nor is it something a lot of us seek. I, for one, don't want Michele Bachmann to tolerate my homosexuality. In fact, I think she already tolerates is just fine. She is, in fact, still alive, no matter how gay I am. That's tolerance. What I want from her is acceptance. I am who I am, and she needs to accept that. When it comes to economic policy, I prefer the economic system of our founding fathers. If the agrarian economic system was good enough for them, and so many of our non-economic policy is still based on working with the agrarian economy, I don't see why it can't be good enough for us! But, I guess, that really makes me a conservative who's just out of his time.

*shrug*

In any case, I'm not a politician. I don't like being lumped in with them. They do the job they do, wether I agree with them or not, and I do the job I do. Please stop taking your distaste for politicians out on me.

I believe that Michel Bachmann's time is in her past. But if you truly believe that she, Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Scott Walker, Chris Christie, Rick Scott, Carl Paladino, Phyllis Schafly et al are candidates worthy of consideration, then your myopia (or willful blindness) is truly extraordinary.

As I've written many times, I cannot be a Republican yet will never be a Democrat; this post is not partisan. However, there is one party who seeks to either marginalize or criminalize my life for how I live it. That is simply intolerable for me, and if you pondered that truth for several minutes, you'd agree.

The fiscally conservative have been hi-jacked by social conservatives within their own party. It's entirely their fault, the minute they allowed the Moral Majority to the table to ensure a Reagan win in 1980. They are now the soul and breath of all things GOP, pity the fool(s).

ETA: This is not an attack on JBT, whom I consider a friend.
 
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I believe this country needs a great CEO.

So the goal of a CEO is to return value to it's shareholders and try not to break any laws in the process. And we need such an individual running the government for all? How does that work? How does a CEO possess the skills needed to deal with Iran, to deal with social issues like education and social inequality? How does a CEO whose wishes are implemented top-down work in a government organization where compromise and consesnus are key skills to accomplishing anything.
 

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That's what the author of the article below (linked) says.

I think it's probably accurate. Using this forum as one example, one can find many posts by liberals here that just seethe with hatred of Republicans. My suggestion to those posters would be to stop calling them names and saying vicious things about them and, instead, engage them in a respectful dialogue. I encounter more than a few liberal posters who consider themselves to be morally superior to conservatives and who speak of conservatives as if they're evil, sub-human cockroaches that should just be squashed. As they say, nobody hates like the enlightened, tolerant, loving left!

Here's an excerpt from the linked article below:

The new research found that instead of engaging in civil discourse or debate, fully 16% of liberals admitted to blocking, unfriending or overtly hiding someone on a social networking site because that person expressed views they disagreed with. That's double the percentage of conservatives and more than twice the percentage of political moderates who behaved like that.

Blog: Liberal intolerance, by the numbers

American Thinker is a Right wing POS web site.

The rundown of the owners and showrunners, is hilarious!

Served with "Michael Medved, John Podhoretz, and David Horowitz."

"A Democrat by birth, Thomas became more conservative in adulthood as reality taught him that dreams of perfecting human society always runs smack into human nature."

About Us - American Thinker

OF COURSE they spout that Liberals are less tolerant, and we are: less tolerant of ASSHOLES and SHITHEADS.

This is the same crap that they pull when they start spewing their homophobic garbage. The minute you lash back at them, they say, "Liberals are suppose to be tolerant." First off all, I don't know where they got this "tolerant" crap, and no one is to be tolerant of the intolerant. I am not tolerant of the KKK.

The Right loves and supports the Red Scare to this very day. Joe McCarthy is still their hero. That's all you need to know when it comes to how tolerant they are. They're Nationalists, and Fascists, and many of them are proud to make people aware of it.

The Conservative platform in America is intolerant, and full of nothing more than knuckle-dragging wackos, who want to send up back into the Stone Age. I wish there were more Parties in America, but none are viable. I can never, EVER support the Right in the United States. They are dangerous to the country. I will never tolerate them. Here's the funny thing, I used to be a registered Republican! That was until I got my head out of my ass.

Now Rightists, go back to bashing the Librul Media, and continue screaming "Activist Judges" when you don't get the ruling you want.

The Right = crybabies, who doing nothing but project their crap onto everyone else. They are the Party that will never take responsibility for their failings, and they've failed at everything in the last 100 years. They are limited. It's that simple (no pun intended).
 

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Do you believe Romney is a bigot?

I believe this country needs a great CEO. Obama is NOT. Romney might or might not be but will most certainly be a drastic improvement over Obama who has been a catastrophic FAILURE as POTUS.

The same Romney who's not only the biggest flip flopper ever, but is the owner of Bain Capital who's cannibalized companies, outsourced jobs overseas to China and has been bought by the Koch Brothers :mad:?

Last time I checked, the U.S. was a nation, not a franchise.
 
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the nation doesnt need a CEO. we are NOT a corporation. Romney is the great failure. Obama is the great success. the Romney story is one of endless privilege and money. Obama is Horatio Alger, the real American hero. Romney is just a bad April fool's joke on America.
 

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I've long had a catch-phrase to describe my politics and social leanings...I have often said (tongue in cheek, alas but not far in the cheek) that I don't sleep with Conservatives, Red Sox fans or Karaoke DJs. I broke two of those rules this past year and it did not go well... But as a good person of liberal leanings, I am willing to be convinced that my choices (in dating) are perhaps a bit strident. Of course, I leave it to those interested in conversion to figure out which of the three I am most adamant in sticking to my guns over.
 
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