Life is a miracle

[MikesJohnson]

But what created God?

He has always existed. The universe has not. Either we have a creator or everything came from nothing. I'm guessing you subscribe to the ABG theory.

 

[MikesJohnson]

I know, I know... lol... kicking and screaming the foolish will be dragged into the 21st century... though they must first abandon their Bronze and Iron Age gods and be steeped in the science of the 19th & 20th centuries.

If we don't have a creator, how did everything come into existence?

 

[185248]

Prior to the "big bang", there was no time and no universe. Something or someone outside of our universe had to cause the big bang. That would be our creator. I would like to believe that the universe created itself, but, I just don't have the faith.

Your Universe began with 1 creator. I don't fear or disagree that others believe that theirs began with a quark.

Who is to say the Quark was not god? What I believe is a mind can conceive any beginning. How it does this? Is because our mind, does not obey the laws of physics, the same theory that scientists have come up with the beginnings of the Universe.

What is theory? Not obeying the laws of physics in my opinion. We continuously try to find a way around them....as lawyers do

 

[MikesJohnson]

Your Universe began with 1 creator. I don't fear or disagree that others believe that theirs began with a quark.

Who is to say the Quark was not god? What I believe is a mind can conceive any beginning. How it does this? Is because our mind, does not obey the laws of physics, the same theory that scientists have come up with the beginnings of the Universe.

What is theory? Not obeying the laws of physics in my opinion. We continuously try to find a way around them....as lawyers do

The universe had a beginning. I believe a super intelligent being got it started.

 

[185248]

The universe had a beginning. I believe a super intelligent being got it started.

Maybe it was a very unintelligent being who did a boo boo? If it was a super intelligent being, why the obvious imperfections?

 

[MikesJohnson]

Maybe it was a very unintelligent being who did a boo boo? If it was a super intelligent being, why the obvious imperfections?

What created the universe and life itself?

 

[Dave NoCal]

I am satisfied with not knowing.

 

[halcyondays]

If we don't have a creator, how did everything come into existence?

We don't know what started the Big Bang. I my opinion we will in the future.

The beginning of wisdom is admitting honestly what you do not know.

You have abandoned wisdom and honesty by making up/embracing a myth story to explain what you do not know. It's no different than believing your parents when they told you the Tooth Fairy left money under your pillow and Santa Claus climbed down the chimney and left you gifts. They lied to you. Your creation myth is a lie, too.

 

[halcyondays]

What created the universe and life itself?

The physics and geochemistry of Earth/Sun/solar system created life as we know it. The Big Bang started the universe as we know it. We don't know what started the Big Bang but we will in the future.

 

[MikesJohnson]

The physics and geochemistry of Earth/Sun/solar system created life as we know it.

I'd like to believe that, I just don't have the faith.

 

[halcyondays]

I'd like to believe that, I just don't have the faith.

We've done this already: science requires no faith.

 

[MikesJohnson]

The beginning of wisdom is admitting honestly what you do not know.

Yet you don't apply that principle to yourself.

 

[halcyondays]

Yet you don't apply that principle to yourself.

Yes I do.

 

[MikesJohnson]

You have abandoned wisdom and honesty by making up/embracing a myth story to explain what you do not know. It's no different than believing your parents when they told you the Tooth Fairy left money under your pillow and Santa Claus climbed down the chimney and left you gifts. They lied to you. Your creation myth is a lie, too.

None of us know anything for certain. I do believe the universe had a beginning. Something or someone caused the universe to come into existence. My belief in this theory compels you to tell me that I have abandoned wisdom and honesty yet you offer nothing to explain how everything came to be. Either a super-intellect created it or it created itself.

By the way, you're the one that keeps bringing religion into the discussion. I have not done so. I have merely posited that a being, far greater than ourselves, created the universe and life itself.

 

[MikesJohnson]

Yes I do.

Not in this thread.

 

[MikesJohnson]

We've done this already: science requires no faith.

Your theory on how life was created has no basis in science, only in your personal faith.

 

[MikesJohnson]

It's no different than believing your parents when they told you the Tooth Fairy left money under your pillow and Santa Claus climbed down the chimney and left you gifts. They lied to you. Your creation myth is a lie, too.

Meanwhile, atheists tell us that everything came from nothing.

 

[halcyondays]

None of us know anything for certain.

What a ridiculously false statement. I know for certain that if you cut your head off you will die. I also know for certain that if you have your leg amputated it will not grow back no matter how hard/long/faithfully you pray to your god.

Careful: you're bearing false witness.

 

[MikesJohnson]

What a ridiculously false statement.

Ok, so now you're saying you DO know all the answers to the universe? Good for you.

 

[MikesJohnson]

Yes I do.

Obviously, you don't.