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Grappled with many of the same issues for years and years. Never have a seen a discussion on the issue quite like this posting. I am going posit a theory that I am sure a lot of people will be offended by, and probably quite a few that will think I am completely full of shit. Has anyone felt that perhaps their same sex attraction was really a form of disguised envy? From a very early age I had a very low level of self confidence, particularly about my physical appearance - a little pudginess, bad acne, and a terribly domineering older sister did not help matters. I grew to idolize my fellow guy friends who I thought had what I didn't: popularity, good looks, and confidence. Paralleling this was a feeling that I was repulsive to women. No woman would ever want to be with me. I now realize how much striving for an unreal level of perfection (and an exaggerated level of self hate) shaped my development.

Over time my fantasy life began to shift more and more homosexual. Oddly enough, the men I have been most sexually attracted to have been more or more improved versions of my self. I have never had romantic feelings for a man like I have had for a woman. That said, I have never had a serious relationship with either. I have had sex with women. These were brief relationships but overall they were positive and the sexual feelings I had were very real. That said, the two times I have been with men, the sexual feelings were, for a brief period that ended before I came, incredibly intense. Afterward my feelings were not guilt related, not at all. They were more perplexing, a questioning of the genuineness of my emotions, and an ultimate assessment of the hallowness of the liasons.

Additional relevant information. I love, love, love images of naked men. Particularly straight men having sex with straight women. Also love naked women, particarly when they are attracted to me. I cherish the times when I have buried my face in a pussy, and cupped a soft ample breast. When I have been with a women, it may not have been as intense but in many ways it felt deeper, more complementary. Less like two guys just getting each other off. While I toy with things like gay chat rooms, and enjoy them very much, I have never felt compelled to make an initial move on a man in real life.

A therapist once told me that I must be gay if my sexual feelings for men were more intense than for women - end of story. I quit going to her because I did not agree. So what to you guys think....am I rationalizing away what may be a core homosexual character or is it possible that I have unintentionally equated envy and hero worship with sexual attraction and compatibility?

Is it possible that I have conditioned myself to love cock?????

In my case, that would be a definate yes! Without going into great detail here (and to keep from getting the thread off course), let me explain why I agree.

From ages ~6-~13, I was sexually abused by my grandfather. As a young child, he took it upon himself to humiliate me sexually (telling my friends at school that I had a small pecker).

When I hit puberty, I became overweight (probably had to do with the fact I was taken off Ritilan at age 13 <had been on it since age 5>) and I developed rather large breasts, that I still have today. The breasts didn't form due to the fat, rather an imbalance in hormones (see gynecomastia Gynecomastia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). I was harassed by my grandfather (who would say things to me along the lines of 'I'll bet you have bigger titties than any of the girls in your school') along with the other boys in school. Well, I eventually ended up becoming aneroxic and bulemic, and was diagnosed having Body Dysmorphic Disorder. I overcame the anexoria/bulemia (went to treatment), and I am now back to being slightly overweight. Thing is, I've still got large breasts. My body is literally disfigured due to the rapid gain and loss of weight (I have a LOT of loose hanging skin). When I see men that I am 'attracted' to, its more about their physical assets rather than a truly sexual attraction. The same can be said with gay porn. The gay porn I watch involve very handsome, masculine, buff men. In my mind, I desire (more like fanticise) to touch a man like that to feel what a ''real man'' feels like, as I highly doubt I'll ever be able to acheive a body like that without undergoing massive reconstructive surgery.

When I look at my naked body in the mirror (which is a huge challenge for me), I see my cock and balls, but I almost feel detached from them, as all I can see or focus on are my breasts and flabby looking body. I guess my mind associates a sexual relationship with a man as being the only way I'll ever be to 'experience' having a body like that.

I'm going to go on and go on the attack here. I know there will be some who will read this post, and then post something along the lines of me being a deeply repressed homo. I'm not. I've been in therapy for MANY years, and have struggled with my sexual identity as a man, and with my sexual orientation. If you don't have anything positive to contribute to this post, then please keep your fucking mouth shut.

The subject of this particular thread is something I take very personally, and there very well may be others out there who have gone thru some of the same things I've gone through and are struggling with themselves as I have. Please don't assume that everyone who can relate with the OP is a closet case.
 

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The two longest posts on this page are on to something big, I feel the same as both a little, I am always attracted to what I define as what I would want to look like, I am a little over weight but nothing drastic. I can see where both of you are coming from. I almost feel like i am repressing some sort of sexual abuse, I can remember being about 8 and messing around with a kid around my age but not all the details ,are there but I always remember this incident being in my mind as i have grown up.
 

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Copied from another thread I posted on about much the same thing:

It's totally normal to be aroused by the same sex in a fantasy sense but in no other area. Women occasionally feature in my fantasies, but I don't want to have sex with one in real life (I know from experience), let alone have a relationship with one.
 

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Copied from another thread I posted on about much the same thing:

It's totally normal to be aroused by the same sex in a fantasy sense but in no other area. Women occasionally feature in my fantasies, but I don't want to have sex with one in real life (I know from experience), let alone have a relationship with one.

Please dont' take this as an insult or an attack, as its not.

This is some bullshit. Society (American) says what subgirrl feels is 100% a ok. If a man expresses this same sentiment, he is ostricized by society in general. The straight men (and to a lesser extent women) want nothing to do with a man who occasionally fantisizes about another man. He is labeled (forgive me for being graphic) to be a faggot, and the heterosexuals (in general) want nothing to do with him. The homosexual men (and women) tell the man that he is in fact gay, get out of the closet, and stop fooling himself. Fact of the matter is the man is not homosexual and he's not heterosexual. He is himself and instead of society celebrating his individuality and freedom to explore (or not) what makes him happy, they try to force him into being something that he's not.

Not everyone is the same. Thats what makes us unique. Stop trying to force someone into categorizing themselves into something they are not. :mad:



As a side note, I have been labeled by my peers all of my life as being gay. There's nothing wrong with being gay, and I support anyone who may be gay (or not). It gets really fucking old being told what I am or what I'm not. Fact of the matter is I've never fooled around with another man(aside from being sexually abused by my grandfather as a child), and its highly doubtful that I ever will...not because there's something wrong with it, rather, because I'm not that person. Also, I am not like the seemingly vast majority of straight men. I don't go out and try to fuck as many women as I possibly can, nor do I have sex in a short term relationship. I am old fashioned about sex. I think it is a very special bond between two people who are truly in love with one another. It is the ultimate showing of love for one another.
 

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Please dont' take this as an insult or an attack, as its not.

This is some bullshit. Society (American) says what subgirrl feels is 100% a ok. If a man expresses this same sentiment, he is ostricized by society in general. The straight men (and to a lesser extent women) want nothing to do with a man who occasionally fantisizes about another man. He is labeled (forgive me for being graphic) to be a faggot, and the heterosexuals (in general) want nothing to do with him. The homosexual men (and women) tell the man that he is in fact gay, get out of the closet, and stop fooling himself. Fact of the matter is the man is not homosexual and he's not heterosexual. He is himself and instead of society celebrating his individuality and freedom to explore (or not) what makes him happy, they try to force him into being something that he's not.

Not everyone is the same. Thats what makes us unique. Stop trying to force someone into categorizing themselves into something they are not. :mad:

I'm assuming you weren't talking about me in the last sentence :smile:.

My fantasies and my single experience with a woman are represented by the 1% in my preferences. I think it probably means you aren't quite 100% straight if you are having same sex fantasies, but it doesn't mean you must be gay either.

And you're right that society seems to have different standards for men and women on this. I take the same view for both genders - that it is completely normal to feel aroused by the opposite sex without wanting to take it further.
 
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Grappled with many of the same issues for years and years. Never have a seen a discussion on the issue quite like this posting. I am going posit a theory that I am sure a lot of people will be offended by, and probably quite a few that will think I am completely full of shit. Has anyone felt that perhaps their same sex attraction was really a form of disguised envy? From a very early age I had a very low level of self confidence, particularly about my physical appearance - a little pudginess, bad acne, and a terribly domineering older sister did not help matters. I grew to idolize my fellow guy friends who I thought had what I didn't: popularity, good looks, and confidence. Paralleling this was a feeling that I was repulsive to women. No woman would ever want to be with me. I now realize how much striving for an unreal level of perfection (and an exaggerated level of self hate) shaped my development.

Over time my fantasy life began to shift more and more homosexual. Oddly enough, the men I have been most sexually attracted to have been more or more improved versions of my self. I have never had romantic feelings for a man like I have had for a woman. That said, I have never had a serious relationship with either. I have had sex with women. These were brief relationships but overall they were positive and the sexual feelings I had were very real. That said, the two times I have been with men, the sexual feelings were, for a brief period that ended before I came, incredibly intense. Afterward my feelings were not guilt related, not at all. They were more perplexing, a questioning of the genuineness of my emotions, and an ultimate assessment of the hallowness of the liasons.

Additional relevant information. I love, love, love images of naked men. Particularly straight men having sex with straight women. Also love naked women, particarly when they are attracted to me. I cherish the times when I have buried my face in a pussy, and cupped a soft ample breast. When I have been with a women, it may not have been as intense but in many ways it felt deeper, more complementary. Less like two guys just getting each other off. While I toy with things like gay chat rooms, and enjoy them very much, I have never felt compelled to make an initial move on a man in real life.

A therapist once told me that I must be gay if my sexual feelings for men were more intense than for women - end of story. I quit going to her because I did not agree. So what to you guys think....am I rationalizing away what may be a core homosexual character or is it possible that I have unintentionally equated envy and hero worship with sexual attraction and compatibility?

Is it possible that I have conditioned myself to love cock?????

I happen to agree with you. I'm overweight acne ridden and I also feel like "what girl would want me?" and the men in porn are what I wish I could be like.
 
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Wow i was thinking of posting a thread just like this yesterday but ran out of time lol. I'm the exaxtly the same way i mean i never see myself in a relationship with a dude but i get in these moods were all i think about is gay sex once i nut i feel gross dirty and sit there and think wtf dude really? its nice to know theres others like me haha
 

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Guys don't read so much into all this!

As has been pointed out, this phenomenon is mostly hormonal due to norepinephrine and (yes I forgot) prolactin surges following orgasm. Add the guilt and anti-sexual pleasure effect of that endocrine change to the mental effect of society trying to program you to an artificial black & white sexuality and you have the perfect recipe for what you are experiencing.

It's not about your sexuality nor is it about your personality or probably not even about the guy you're with. It's just a biological happening that well...happens.

There's nothing wrong with you, and you probably don't need therapy or have any reason to feel bad or confused.

Just be aware of what's happening to you. Some things in your body are beyond your control at the chemical level. But, knowing that this is happening and then choosing to control IT rather than allowing it to control YOU is the key.

If you can be aware that the sudden feelings you are getting are just a result of some out of whack hormones, then you can mentally remind yourself of that, work through that in your head, and then be ok.

It might take a while, but it's your body and no matter how it tries to fuck with you, you CAN control it.
 

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I have no, none, dada, interest in having any type of relationship with a man, and in fact, I am not attracted to man's total body like I am to a woman's body, however I am attracted to looking at cocks (of any size or shape), thus that is why I am here. I am cock curious.
 

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Pleasureboy wrote:

As has been pointed out, this phenomenon is mostly hormonal due to norepinephrine and (yes I forgot) prolactin surges following orgasm.

This thread reminds me of a quote from a prostitute, who said that men who would never need to pay a woman for sex itself paid her for sex and to go away afterwards.

Neither my partner nor I are much inclined to interaction after orgasm, so I can relate to the feeling of changing channels rather abruptly. Glad there is a hormonal explanation for this phenomenon.

It's not about your sexuality nor is it about your personality or probably not even about the guy you're with. It's just a biological happening that well...happens.

trans porn is in the same category for me as gay porn is for the OP. Could never see myself fucking a trans, and the very existence of shemales vanishes from my consciousness, seconds after I cum watching one get fucked in a movie. Yet sometimes watching that event is just hotter than any gay or straight porn to me, who knows why.

It might take a while, but it's your body and no matter how it tries to fuck with you, you CAN control it.

Very helpful to understand the physiology of postorgasmic feelings, thanks so much for some fine posts in this thread.
 

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I know the feeling well. When I was 15 to 18 I had 3 jerk off buddies (mutual and sometime oral). In all cases we were really into it until we came and then there would be a slight awkwardness. It was always a problem because one guy would finish the other off and then when it was his turn to cum, the other guy would have lost interest and be keen to just get it over and then leave! We were all "straight" (probably 70/30 or 80/20) and there were certainly no emotions involved, just sex.

I sometimes have this same response when I do other "unusual" sexual things like watching gay porn, group sex, anal play, or even phone sex with an ex etc.. I basically lose it when I get really horny and then afterwards I come back down to earth and feel a little guilty.
You have a lot of needless guilt built up....... to a religion maybe, or because of our bigoted society. Tell 'em all to suck it and be true to yourself.
 

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With all due respect to pleasureboy and his explanation of the natural physiological responses men experience after orgasm, which in extreme cases is called post-coital tristess, we're talking about two different things here. Most of the respondents have expressed feelings of guilt, shame and revulsion after jacking off to male-centric, phallic-centric porn or after having sex with other men. They do not express having the same response after having sex with women. You can rationalize till the cows come home, but it's not biology - it's social conditioning and internalized homophobia that's causing those feelings. De Nile is a big ol river.
 

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With all due respect to pleasureboy and his explanation of the natural physiological responses men experience after orgasm, which in extreme cases is called post-coital tristess, we're talking about two different things here. Most of the respondents have expressed feelings of guilt, shame and revulsion after jacking off to male-centric, phallic-centric porn or after having sex with other men. They do not express having the same response after having sex with women. You can rationalize till the cows come home, but it's not biology - it's social conditioning and internalized homophobia that's causing those feelings. De Nile is a big ol river.
Have to mostly agree. There may be something to post-coital tristress or whatever.... However mostly guys get over this as they get older because they just don't care about social sexual mores any more.

Anyway, mores vary from culture to culture. That much is true and obvious.
 

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With all due respect to pleasureboy and his explanation of the natural physiological responses men experience after orgasm, which in extreme cases is called post-coital tristess, we're talking about two different things here. Most of the respondents have expressed feelings of guilt, shame and revulsion after jacking off to male-centric, phallic-centric porn or after having sex with other men. They do not express having the same response after having sex with women. You can rationalize till the cows come home, but it's not biology - it's social conditioning and internalized homophobia that's causing those feelings. De Nile is a big ol river.

You just blew me away. We as a society are screwed because we constantly trying to change everyone else, and not ourselves. I'm not asking for a huge gay pride parade, but a little bit of honesty with ourselves and self-acceptance.

There seems to be this idea of gay, straight, and bi- and how we're all supposed to live our lives. Be who you are. Like what you like. Test the limits. We should all be proud of how far we've come, and take no shame in our desires. Just because some of you don't know any openly gay/bi men doesn't mean that you don't know any gay/bi men. Because no matter what we say, we all secretly care about what people think of us. Most of us just make the mistake of focusing more on what other people think about us, instead of how we feel. It's YOUR life- no one has to live it but you. Might as well be happy in it.

By the way- I'd probably let some of that shame go, especially if you're single. Because you have no idea how many married guys would love to enjoy other men and yet feel stuck. Heterosexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality don't exist- only sexuality does. None of us fit in a single category all the time. Have fun! Take no shame. Take no prisoners.
 

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I don't think this is a gay thing at all. I think this is a MAN thing. I just think this is how men are wired. I could be having sex with the hottest babe, and she could be begging for me to come all over her face, and I am so into the idea that it makes me cum just seeing her beg for it. But after... actually, even just *before* the first spurt, I start to feel like what I'm doing is just gross... I'll direct it down to her chest and I swear to God before the last shot I just want to get the fuck out of there! The only thing that seems to keep me there is if I am truly in love with the girl... Then I'll do all kinds of crazy shit, and love it. But anyway... I have always said to myself that I suffer from a really serious case of "mind switch"... And therefore try not to bang chicks unless i feel something other than the need to blow. Psychologically, I think my ID just falls asleep immediately after ejaculation! The difference in thinking, and focus, and what's important is amazing. Anyway, I'm rambling...

I guess the point is, you need to find a guy that you love?
 
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I don't think this is a gay thing at all. I think this is a MAN thing. I just think this is how men are wired. I could be having sex with the hottest babe, and she could be begging for me to come all over her face, and I am so into the idea that it makes me cum just seeing her beg for it. But after... actually, even just *before* the first spurt, I start to feel like what I'm doing is just gross... I'll direct it down to her chest and I swear to God before the last shot I just want to get the fuck out of there! The only thing that seems to keep me there is if I am truly in love with the girl... Then I'll do all kinds of crazy shit, and love it. But anyway... I have always said to myself that I suffer from a really serious case of "mind switch"... And therefore try not to bang chicks unless i feel something other than the need to blow. Psychologically, I think my ID just falls asleep immediately after ejaculation! The difference in thinking, and focus, and what's important is amazing. Anyway, I'm rambling...

I guess the point is, you need to find a guy that you love?


Ranxerox, how romantic! How you describe what you'll do sexually when you love the girl is amazing. I feel exactly the same way!!! :biggrin1:
 

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7"24;2929526 said:
Hey guys title says it all i have some gay attributes but also like girls, but i jack off to gay porn but as soon as I come i cant stand guys or gay porn, i cant imagine having anal sex, and could never swallow cum. Does anyone else out there have the same issues?

I think I just might have a more curious situation than you do as I am not
into woman and my attraction to men is limited
to mutual masterbation and after climax, like you I am done.
I'm not into kissing guys or anything oral ...
Don't even think about anal.
 

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well -- i would kinda agree with flexx -- totallty into my wife, and women, but the thought of a dick makes me hard -- i would like to be over the kitchen table with a dick in my ass -- would be first time -- while i suck her -- or, i would like to sit across the room and watch her suck another cock! or, isuck the cock, she sucks the other wife!
 

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well -- i would kinda agree with flexx -- totallty into my wife, and women, but the thought of a dick makes me hard -- i would like to be over the kitchen table with a dick in my ass -- would be first time -- while i suck her -- or, i would like to sit across the room and watch her suck another cock! or, isuck the cock, she sucks the other wife!
I have a real hard time understanding how a guy who wants to suck cock, or wants to be bent over the kitchen table with a dick up his ass, considers himself 99% straight. I don't fantasize about being fucked on the kitchen table, and I'm way past 1% gay. Just sayin . . . :rolleyes:
 
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