Limbaugh and the GOP Leadership at War With Each Other

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  1. jason_els

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    He's edgy and maybe mad, but he's got the Republican leadership by the balls. Even Steele doesn't get any respect. If Rush Limbaugh is the new leader of the GOP simply by going by which mouth speaks loudest, then he's already a true kingmaker.

    Rush Limbaugh: The Man Who Ate the G.O.P. by Michael Wolff in Vanity Fair.

    Wolff sees Limbaugh's resurgence to be a temporary blip before the collapse of AM radio and the increasing age of Limbaugh's audience, finally do him in. I'm not so sure. Limbaugh's a great media manipulator and he's been down before (the pills, the wives, the deafness, and the illegal housekeepers) and came back swinging.

    Thoughts and comments?
     
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    I don't, since I generally don't indulge in mass culture, but it made me query what the demographics are -- who would listen to a show as his?

    I found this:


    In 2007, Rush Limbaugh continued his reign as the king of radio talk. According to data from Talkers Magazine, he commanded an estimated 13.5 million weekly listeners in spring 2007.4 But talk radio&#8217;s No. 1 voice also has apparently peaked. These 2007 audience numbers are down one million from 2003, when 14.5 million tuned in weekly.

    The talk radio audience is largely male, relatively young and ideologically conservative, although not necessarily Republican. Talkers magazine put the party breakdown in 2007 at 23% Republican, 14% Democratic, and a majority, 58%, independent. Data from the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found a more equal spread among regular listeners in 2006: 32% Republican, 35% Democratic and 30% independent.7

    Talkers magazine&#8217;s Talk Radio Research Project, released in the fall of 2007, found that talk listeners tend to identify themselves as conservative (38%), of which 12% identify as &#8220;ultra conservative,&#8221; or middle-of-the-road (23% said they were moderate and 18% fiscal conservative/social liberal).8 Only 14% of the talk audience identified themselves as liberal, of which only 2% said they were &#8220;ultra liberal.&#8221;

    Journalism.org- The State of the News Media 2008
     
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    Ah, but since Rush took on Gingrey, his numbers are apparently back up to 20+ million, for now.

    Bill Mann knows how Rush's show got so popular. He talks about it in his blog at The Huffington Post. They gave it away to small and medium sized markets with no local programming. In exchange, they got to place a majority of the advertising with national sponsors. The big markets get the same deal only, hey, they have to pay for it.
     
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    Jason,

    Limbaugh and conservatives like to portray Obama as weak and "indecisive" on foreign policy. They did it all through the presidential primaries & campaign, all through his (so far) 80-something day administration.

    Apparently Obama was actively involved with the breaking story of the Navy Seals snipers shooting down the three Somali pirates in the dead of night:


    Obama Approved Special Forces Team
    This is from George Stephanopoulos, ABC News:

    "A senior US official tells me that President Barack Obama approved a recommendation by Defense Secretary Bob Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen to dispatch special forces to the US scene on Friday. These special forces were authorized to take action "in extremis" against the Somali pirates holding Maersk Captain Richard Phillips, 53, hostage on a motorized lifeboat off the coast of Somalia."


    From Associated Press:

    "The operation, personally approved by President Barack Obama, quashed fears the saga could drag on for months and marked a victory for the U.S., which for days seemed powerless to resolve the crisis despite massing helicopter-equipped warships at the scene."


    This is part of an analysis just coming over from Associated Press:

    Analysis: Obama scores win on pirate crisis

    His administration passes its first critical national security test


    WASHINGTON - The U.S. economy is showing only glimmers of life and two costly wars remain in the balance, but President Barack Obama's "no drama" handling of the Indian Ocean hostage crisis proved a big win for his administration in its first critical national security test. Obama's quiet backstage decision to authorize the Defense Department to take necessary action if Capt. Richard Phillips' life was in imminent danger gave a Navy commander the go-ahead to order snipers to fire on the pirates holding the cargo ship captain at gunpoint.

    For Obama, the benefits were instantly clear: an American life saved and a major victory notched against an increasingly worrisome scourge of the seas off the Horn of Africa. Obama's handling of the crisis showed a president who was comfortable in relying on the U.S. military, much as his predecessor, George W. Bush, did.

    Will Obama benefit politically?
    But it also showed a new commander in chief who was willing to use all the tools at his disposal, bringing in federal law enforcement officials to handle the judicial elements of the crisis.

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    I wonder how Limbaugh and his fellow crazed talk-show conservatives (Sean Hannity, Medved, Hewitt, Ingraham, Prager, etc) will spin this?

    You know they're gonna spin this. They foam at the mouth at the thought of Obama getting good press. I'm planning on listening to Limbaugh tomorrow.
     
  5. Pitbull

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    No, Bill Mann doesn't know.
    So they gave the show away for "Free" to small markets.
    People still need to listen.
    There are plenty of "Free" shows marketed. They do not last without ratings. Period.
    And there is much more to the economics than the simple explanation in the Huffington Post article.

    Politics aside, Limbaugh is very good at what he does.
    What he does is have a show that over 13 million people a week like enough to listen to.
    And they have for 20 years.
    With the exception of the late Paul Harvey, no one else is really in the same league.
    He is very entertaining to his audience.
    That is the "secret".

    Giving it away for "free" (not really free when you are collecting 15 minutes and hour of fees from the advertisers) isn't the "secret" to his success.
    Hell, most stuff is so bad you would have to pay me (and no small sum either) to listen.
     
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    I do not think Limbaugh is going anywhere, his core audience needs a figure to act as a bulwark against "communism", "socialism", or any other -ism they want to associate with the new administration. If other conservative "leaders" did not seem so politically impotent, maybe I could see Limbaugh's bluster as gratuitous, however, because the party is in a tailspin, I think his audience will grow in the same manner we saw the emergence of fashionable liberal ripostes to Bush from Olbermann, Colbert, Maddow, and Letterman. Or, O'Reilly during Clinton's presidency.

    Beyond Limbaugh as a radio personality - his shtick really speaks to the beliefs a portion of the voting public hold in a way the national party does not. If his attacks lead to more people questioning their allegiance to the party, then, hopefully, these disparate groups can drop the artifice of unity and split along ideological lines - RINO, religious, economic conservatism, social conservatism, libertarian, militaristic, etc. - and regain some niche (and national *Susan Collins in 2012* ) relevance.
     
  7. houtx48

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    can't say that i know all that much about Rushie other than he has a face and body for radio
     
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