Living on tips.

[AlteredEgo]

I always tip big double the tax and add $5

And I always pay roughly 20%, rounded up, including taxes, and before discounts. If it is a bartender giving my buybacks, or if management has been sending me drinks, I add the approximate price of the free drinks, before taxes, to the tip. So, what's your point? Clearly you're not the only one who has a generous gratuity policy. Is this a pat on the back? What is the relevance to the discussion either regarding the OP's opinion that tips should be abandoned and fair wages paid, or the newer discussions about proposed policies and taxation?

Stay on topic. Contrary to what is suggested by your post history, YOU are rarely the topic.

 

[XXXWolverineXXX]

I am always the topic!!!
Now I have worked at jobs that were pure tips so I know how service workers count on them to make a living but I am also a firm believer that we all are getting paid not only what we deserve but what we are allowing ourselves to get paid.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I am always the topic!!!
Now I have worked at jobs that were pure tips so I know how service workers count on them to make a living but I am also a firm believer that we all are getting paid not only what we deserve but what we are allowing ourselves to get paid.

I get that. But. Have you actually read this thread?

 

[ItsAll4Kim]

I’m well aware of the difference in taxation.
I work a combinaion of employee status and independent contractor status jobs.
When my employer does me a “favor,” by passing through my tips (often on credit card), she’s actually costing me money. Because I’m paying all the taxes, state and federal. (And this year, two different states.)

I'm just shocked that she's making you pay the full 15.3% of the FICA tax. She should be paying half of it, even on your tips.

I hear you on the 2-state taxes...for years I lived in NY and worked in Jersey. Getting hit by two high taxation states (to say nothing of the commuting costs) was killer. I'm so glad I moved from there.

 

[chicagosam]

Trump's 'Tip-Pooling' Plan Could Screw Your Bartender
The restaurant owner-in-chief wants to give employers more control over workers' gratuities. What could possibly go wrong?
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a7dc7bfe4b0c6726e12d0bb/amp

 

[phonehome]

From what I can see this basically adopts the model that most big vegas casinos went to going on 20 years ago so they could keep the IRS from being constantly up there ass and also constantly auditing there employees.

 

[ItsAll4Kim]

From what I can see this basically adopts the model that most big vegas casinos went to going on 20 years ago so they could keep the IRS from being constantly up there ass and also constantly auditing there employees.

Try finding the actual proposal language. I keep hearing about it, but nobody reporting seems to have the proposal to read. I've heard that It simply repeals the Obama era DOL rule that prohibits tip pooling, but others say it somehow changes the wording (of what, if it repeals a prior rule?) that would allow the business itself to be a party in the pool. I find it hard to imagine anyone staying at a business that did that.

 

[phonehome]

As I said I read the link and what it sounds like to me is something close to what vegas casinos went to about 20 years ago.

Steve Wynn is mentioned, he was one of the main players back them who cut that deal with the IRS. In the case of those Vegas casinos, pretty much everyone who were getting the tips in question, mainly dealers and cocktail waitress's were already getting the "normal" minimum wage already.

If a business can cut themselves in on the tips or even just keep them all seems up for debate depending on who you ask but most reports say that there is not and will not be any explicit language that will expressly forbid it.

I CAN imagine people staying in such jobs, if they think that just maybe if they quit they may go who knows how long before they get another job.

Back in 08 to at least 010 plenty of people stayed in jobs they hated because they saw to many cases of one job opening getting hundreds if not thousands of applications and even though in plenty of states it is illegal as hell plenty of companies had a "policy" often in bold black and white of "currently unemployed need not apply"

That server at Ihop or Denny's might still be afraid that may be the case and will not be wiling to risk it

 

[ItsAll4Kim]

As I said I read the link and what it sounds like to me is something close to what vegas casinos went to about 20 years ago.

Steve Wynn is mentioned, he was one of the main players back them who cut that deal with the IRS. In the case of those Vegas casinos, pretty much everyone who were getting the tips in question, mainly dealers and cocktail waitress's were already getting the "normal" minimum wage already.

If a business can cut themselves in on the tips or even just keep them all seems up for debate depending on who you ask but most reports say that there is not and will not be any explicit language that will expressly forbid it.

I CAN imagine people staying in such jobs, if they think that just maybe if they quit they may go who knows how long before they get another job.

Back in 08 to at least 010 plenty of people stayed in jobs they hated because they saw to many cases of one job opening getting hundreds if not thousands of applications and even though in plenty of states it is illegal as hell plenty of companies had a "policy" often in bold black and white of "currently unemployed need not apply"

That server at Ihop or Denny's might still be afraid that may be the case and will not be wiling to risk it

My point was that if we don't have the actual language of the proposal, we really don't know what is being proposed. Yes? No? I don't trust any media outlet...especially if it is reporting in the form of an op-ed...to spin, or outright lie about what they're reporting.

"Read my lips. No new taxes" <=== but the existing taxes are goin' up, up up!

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" <====but my plan won't pay for his fees!