London Riots Burn: Baby Burn!

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Oh, and on CNN they claim there have been numerous unexplained deaths in police custody. No sympathy for your bobbies after that.
Well I would say that I find that surprising. They have the occasional stupidity but numerous? I have no idea what is going on but i dare say it will be explained in due course.
 

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I was there during the Notting Hill Carnival Riot in the 70's and am so scared by that whole experience I hope everyone is able to stay safe and that the unrest is contained as soon as possible. (It looks horrible on the US news)
 

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The news is calling on parents to make sure their children are at home. I think, meaning to make sure they arent out rioting. Teenagers are so inclined to cut the crap and just do what they feel is right when adults feel obliged to be more restrained. And I am even being serious. There seem a lot of people out there who think this is just fine. Why would that be?
 

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Ken Livingstone was saying that these riots are related to the recession; poverty/low incomes and high unemployment.

He drew parallels between these riots and the riots of the 80's. I dunno if it is related to the economy, if there is any real purpose to it. If I remember rightly, the riots in the 80's started off as protests with pickets etc then became violent.

These riots just started off violent and seem to be staying that way. If they wanted to affect change then they are doing it the wrong way. Of course, I doubt they want anything except to cause trouble since most of them are teenage tearaways anyway.

PS: David Cameron is just now cutting short his holiday to come to England and say how awful the riots are. It shows how much he cares about the country.
 

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Ken Livingstone was saying that these riots are related to the recession; poverty/low incomes and high unemployment.

He drew parallels between these riots and the riots of the 80's. I dunno if it is related to the economy, if there is any real purpose to it. If I remember rightly, the riots in the 80's started off as protests with pickets etc then became violent.
Dunno. I would say things now are better than in the 80s. Generally. But property prices in London are still going up (eg, in Ealing), whereas over the whole country they are going down. So in London the disparity between rich and poor can only be getting wider all the time. It is the poor who riot. Want to be nice to your neighbour in leafy Ealing who works in a bank in the city? Ealing is quite a mixed area wealth wise.

These riots just started off violent and seem to be staying that way. If they wanted to affect change then they are doing it the wrong way. Of course, I doubt they want anything except to cause trouble since most of them are teenage tearaways anyway.
Riots are usually quite effective in getting your point across. Even if that point is just there are a lot of generally disaffected youth out there and the matter is dangerously out of control.

PS: David Cameron is just now cutting short his holiday to come to England and say how awful the riots are. It shows how much he cares about the country.
I saw Clegg being filmed going round and talking to people. Ah, I thought, I see the lib dems are being shafted again, sent out to give more bad news.

Even Best Buy is getting a kicking.
Underestimated as a quality store worth robbing.
 
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Blackberry Mobile Messages are scrambled, which is why it's the communication weapon of choice

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/london-riots-blackberry-messenger-looting

Here's a cracking photo of a woman jumping from a burning building.

London riots: terrified woman jumps from burning building - mirror.co.uk

Red Ken is being given a kicking on Twitter for trying to start his 2012 Mayoral campaign early by spouting his usual tosh.

Let's face it, the suss laws have gone, stop & search only operates mainly on gangs of youths, kids are getting paid to stay at school, & the amount of benefit you get from having a child on social security is about 2.5 times higher in real terms than in the 1980s.

Almost all these kids have widescreen TVs in their homes, PS3s, Wiis, & clearly Blackberrys etc., so I don't think that money is the problem yet. It will be, but this isn't that time.

For most of these kids, it's just about bunce & fun, & also the local gangs trying to big up themselves to the gangs in other areas, as in who's having the best riot.

Funnily enough, Millibland is now coming back from holiday too, but no one was complaining about his absence.

Edit: There's all sorts of crap being thrown about on BBM about Canary Wharf, Liverpool St, & Oxford St as targets tomorrow.

It's pretty clear, that it's all about the money, money, money.

It buggers up my plans for a lunchtime drink though!
 
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Let's face it, the suss laws have gone, stop & search only operates mainly on gangs of youths, kids are getting paid to stay at school, & the amount of benefit you get from having a child on social security is about 2.5 times higher in real terms than in the 1980s..
I dont believe that. Pretty much all benefits have been falling in real terms except perhaps those paying for rent, etc, which kinda have to keep up with market rates. I agree about the being paid to be at school bit, which i never understood. Suss may have gone, but i understand now they stop you on suspiscion of being a terrorist. Black terrorist's, for preference, but I expect they stop a few arab looking ones too.

News item just said a distribution centre for Sony is blazing merrily. They noted it used to employ 700 people. Wonder what they will be doing tomorrow.
 
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A major Sainbury's distro centre is well alight, and now stuff kicking off in Bristol.

Hope Flame Boy is ok.

Correction..... it's actually a Sony Distro centre that's up in flames, at Waltham Abbey, Essex.
 
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These riots just started off violent and seem to be staying that way. If they wanted to affect change then they are doing it the wrong way. Of course, I doubt they want anything except to cause trouble since most of them are teenage tearaways anyway.

This lady had something to say about that yesterday.
 

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Sony's main distribution centre has gone up in smoke after it'd been looted. It's massive, nowhere near any shops, just a huge robbery.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

Proud Turks defending their businesses from looters - HOORAY

The Turkish community of Dalston are chasing away rioters.Wha... on Twitpic

It's odd, but the police would arrest them if they were white Brits.


I dont believe that. Pretty much all benefits have been falling in real terms except perhaps those paying for rent, etc, which kinda have to keep up with market rates. I agree about the being paid to be at school bit, which i never understood.

It's true! Back in the 80s through to the early 90s, you got child benefit, & bugger all else. The child tax credit was a New Labour invention. Therefore, the value per child is about £71/wk presently,compared with about £15 (in todays terms see fig 5.1 Child benefit: fit for the future (CPAG policy briefing)) in 1981.

You are £56/wk better in today's terms for the 1st child, & about £48 for each subsequent child. I know you may find it hard to believe, but people on benefits are massively better off & disincentivised to work than they were 30 years ago.

Add to that the £30/wk that those staying on at school got, & the comparison in poverty to 30 years ago becomes ludicrous!

What are the odds of curfews & martial law now? Short, I would guess.
 
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Ah you mean benefits givento people who are working rather than benefits to people who arent.

They just interviewed an eye witness to the sony fire who said he saw 20 guys leaving with goods and petrol cans. Wonder why sony was storing petrol cans there...oh silly me, the guys must have taken them along in case they wanted to dispose of waste cardboard from the electrical goods they were collecting.
 

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Ah you mean benefits givento people who are working rather than benefits to people who arent.

Nope, you get child tax credit if you don't work too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you're out of work, it's £59.36 for the 1st kid, & £48.93/wk for each subsequent one, plus child benefit! Therefore, my calculation should be £65, & £48 a week respectively better off in real terms re 1981


They just interviewed an eye witness to the sony fire who said he saw 20 guys leaving with goods and petrol cans. Wonder why sony was storing petrol cans there...oh silly me, the guys must have taken them along in case they wanted to dispose of waste cardboard from the electrical goods they were collecting.

Bloody Blackberry!:wink:

BTW, RT, the BBC, Sky et al, are all saying that it's mainly ethnic minorities committing the crimes. Not the ones whose parents run shops I would guess.
 
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Yes, well this is a circular argument. The police argument as to why more black people get stopped and searched is that more crime is committed by black people, though only in proportion to how many there are in the community. Which translates as black people tend to be poorer than white so more of them tend to be in the group committing crime than in the general population. Which is no more than saying the crime is being committed by the poor. Thats a surprise.

Michael Heseltine was made minister for deprived areas last time we had riots by the poor. People could do a lot worse than ask him why the riots happened last time and I bet they will be exactly the same reasons this time. Except as I said, I still think most of these people now get worse benefit levels than at that time compared to their rich neighbours. The government is in the middle of a massive campaign to push people off benefits onto ...nothing. London is a cosmopolitain city stuffed with the very rich not very far from the very poor.

Only a year to go to the Olympics. They just announced all the buildings are ready.....Ironical if eventually we do a worse job than India recently because of riots.
 
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Ken Livingstone was saying that these riots are related to the recession; poverty/low incomes and high unemployment.

He drew parallels between these riots and the riots of the 80's. I dunno if it is related to the economy, if there is any real purpose to it. If I remember rightly, the riots in the 80's started off as protests with pickets etc then became violent.

These riots just started off violent and seem to be staying that way. If they wanted to affect change then they are doing it the wrong way. Of course, I doubt they want anything except to cause trouble since most of them are teenage tearaways anyway.

PS: David Cameron is just now cutting short his holiday to come to England and say how awful the riots are. It shows how much he cares about the country.
Ken Livingstone talks out of his arse hole and always has.He will NEVER critizice those who he thinks will vote for him and will gladly make these vermin into heroes whilst blaming the police at the same time.THAT is why he is our EX mayor.Here in Croydon things are pretty normal today and for those of us that work and contribute to our community life is going on as normal.I have more faith in David Cameron than either Blair or Brown,who'd probably have given all the scumbag rioters £1,000 each to write a play about it!!!!
 

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Michael Heseltine said recently that the best thing he had ever done was get up in front of the conservative party conference and make a speech saying the people living in the areas where ther had been riots needed help. He said he was terrified. And they cheered him.(at the conference, that is)
 

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The guardian has some facts. In the incident which started this where someone was killed, only police fired shots. 333 people have died in police custody since 1998, and no police have been convicted of anything in connection with these deaths. The area where this began has twice the average unemployment and one of the highest levels of child poverty in London. The richest 10% in Britain, presumably well represented in London, are 100x better off than the poorest, presumably well represented in these areas.
 

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It's all pathetic!
Short minded opportunistic idiots. People jumping on the band wagon.......and which ever way you look at it, it's the self destructive nature of certain people mainly black? why?
News papers and TV call it a "section of youths".....hmmm! we have gone to politically correct when we can't say the word black!

Of course there are good and bad of every colour so don't jump on me for this.
Just saying what I'm being told be friends who are seeing this going on outside their windows.