Donk: First off, a couple apologies: (1) Sorry if anyone is offended by the reference to "freaks". (2) Sorry for reigniting a debate that has been discussed before (though I think not on the current version of LPSG). I brought up this topic in another thread recently and stated I did not intend to re-start an old debate. But I got inspired to do a Google search on the guys in question and then thought it would be interesting to get people's thoughts. Most of us have heard of the legendary "Long Dong Silver" who was featured in some porn films of the late 70's or early 80's. LDS was a black guy who was claimed to have an 18" penis. Much less famous are two white guys who also appeared on film at about the same time--"Moby Dick" a.k.a. "The Texas Longhorn" was billed as having 17", "Mr. MX" (named after the MX Missile, which was in the news at the time) was supposed to have 16.5". (The actual inches are probably slightly exaggerated, but that's not really the point. All of these guys easily had well over a foot. The question is whether the penises were real in the first place.) I first became aware of these guys when I was a teenager in the 80's from ads for videos that appeared in some old porn mags I acquired. The magazines dated from about 1980-82. I was fascinated by them--probably because these were penises that were actually bigger than mine and certainly made me feel like I was less of a "freak" myself! Most of my knowledge about them comes from these ads and the pics in them. In college, a friend of mine once got a video that had clips of LDS and "Moby Dick"/"Texas Longhorn" (who mysteriously spoke with a Cockney accent) so I got to see those two in action. Anyway, for several reasons, I happen to believe these penises were for real. The main reason is that porn films of the time simply did not have the technology or the budget to do fancy special effects. And these penises look realistic, especially compared to some other photos/video clips where a guy is obviously wearing a rubber dildo. They also behaved like real penises of that size probably would--they did not really get hard, they ejactulated--with the cum just oozing out rather than squirting--and they did not actually penetrate the women in the videos. Finally, these guys were butt ugly and I would think the only way they could get into any kind of video would be based on their dick size (ala Ron Jeremy, but twice as big). Also, I have read claims that there are pics of Long Dong Silver where he just has a regular size penis, but I have never seen these and the people who mention that "fact" don't cite any references. Anyway, I came across some pics at the following link: http://www.d-sex.de/_brd/long.html There are two pics of LDS. The blond white guy (wearing the leather harness and with two girls in the pic) is a known fake with a rubber dildo strapped on who made videos in the early 90's under the name "Long Dan Silver." The other white guy pictured (with the barbell) is "Mr. MX." (Even though the text only refers to Moby Dick/Texas Longhorn, the guy pictured is actually the Mr. MX from the ads and Moby Dick is not pictured. This is the only photo of Mr. MX that I have seen outside of those ads. My Google search did not turn up any pics of Moby Dick.) When looking at these photos, keep a couple facts in mind: (1) They are NOT digitally enhanced. These pics match pics that appear in pre-1982 magazines, when they did not have Photoshop or anything like it. (2) They are also not airbrushed--these are stills from videos where the guys were moving and interacting with women. The only possibilities are that the penises are real or--like Long Dan' Silver's--rubber fakes attached to the guys. So, with all that in mind, what do you think? Were these guys for real?