Looks like Joe Wilson was right.

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  1. B_24065

    B_24065 New Member

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    Obama apparently deceived the American people last week when he vowed that illegal immigrants will not be covered under his healthcare reform proposal, but thats because he did not mention his intent to grant amnesty to them first, thus making them "legal" and eligible for his plan. Change we can belive in folks.

    Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care - Washington Times
     
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    deceive, believe

    Makes you look smarter.
     
  3. B_24065

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    Thanks for the spell check douche. Get a fucking life.
     
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    Obama, in his speech, said illegals are not presently covered in the healthcare bill, which is true; there are specific provisions in the bill which took pains to address this issue.

    When Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!", he was directly challenging this provision in the bill to the contrary, directly challenging the president, he was perpetuating the talk-radio mistruths and inneuendo that have been making the rounds for two months.


    In the above link, Obama is arguing that illegals should be made legal first, and can therefore be honestly elligible for healthcare, which is an entirely different argument.

    Obama: "Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken... That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else."


    Immigration system is broken... Deal with this by legalizing the illegals, something we've been trying to do for 2 decades now... then the illegals are no longer illegal, they'd be legal and ellible for healthcare coverage.


    Where is the sentence that says Obama wants to give illegals coverage while they remain illegal?


    Joe Wilson remains wrong.

    24065 remains a jackass.
     
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    This Washington Times article quotes Obama as saying "'If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all.'"

    Sounds reasonable, prudent, important.

    Then the article adds that,

    "Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty". [italics mine]

    What was that Alice in Wonderland quote from the birther case, again?
     
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    "The reforms that i am proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally"

    First of all, there is no present Bill dumbass. Obama is clearly stating that those who are here illegally will not (future) be covered, but fails to mention his intention to legalize them first. Its double talk. How the fuck can you excuse that as "well technically Obama's telling the truth because he's gonna legalize them first". Yeah, like the American public are going to go along with that. In fact granting amnesty AND covering them is far worse in my book them simply covering them. He's a silver tounged manipulator, and you are a douche bag defender. Shit like this is what makes you liberals so non-credible. You accuse someone of racism (inneuendos???) for saying the word Liar (huge fucking stretch) but you skirt around the topic when the POTUS makes a statement about not covering illegals (yayy!!!) but doesnt tell us he plans on legallizing them first (BOOOO).
     
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    LOL... EPIC LOGIC FAILURE.
    If you "legalize" an illegal immigrant, then they become legal citizens of the United States which makes them eligible for health care. Joe Wilson is still wrong. And the OP still doesn't have a clue.

    On a side note, should I really be laughing this hard at this kind of forum trolling & stupidity? Is it unfair to have this desire to belittle people that talk so brazenly yet are dumber than a pile of cow dung? Seriously, am I going to Hell for this? :biggrin:
     
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    I suppose in native american indian eyes' everyone is an illegal imigrant.
     
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    24065 wites: "...you skirt around the topic when the POTUS makes a statement about not covering illegals (yayy!!!) but doesnt tell us he plans on legallizing them first (BOOOO)."

    I.

    Obama has been saying all through the primaries that he intends to fix the illegal immigrant problem by legalizing the immigrants already here - ironically, using virtually the same proposals that G.W. Bush suggested (the difference being that dems would have a larger majority in Senate and House and could finally push it through).


    II.

    It feels pretty damned demeaning arguing with a guy who insists of typing "yayy!!!" and "BOOOO" in his posts.
     
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    If an immigrant is here legally (no matter how he/she arrived here legally), he is considered a *legal* immigrant.

    As an immigrant, he/she should have the same access to healthcare as any other citizen.

    Why do people not understand this?? I don't think it could be easier.

    As to lying... take a look at Rep. Wilson's claim to have been an immigration lawyer.

    Did Joe Wilson Lie About Having Been An Immigration Lawyer? | TPMMuckraker

    Why wasn't someone at his press conference yelling "You Lie!".
     
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    if we just fine the employers who hire illegal immigrants to pick fruit, wash cars, clean houses, dig holes... we could afford health care for everyone anyway.
     
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    How about we have a big center in each county along the border.

    We tell them, "it's Amnesty Day - come and get your HealthCare ID Card"

    Then, we put them on a bus, plane, whatever, and ship them back to their country of legal citizenship.

    Solves two problems: 1.) Overabundance of Illegals
    2.) Jobs for Citizens

    - And don't give me the line of "Illegals Do Jobs Nobody Else Wants" - you offer the job to someone on welfare and say "Here is your job." if they say "Hey, I don't want *that* job" the government says "Well, there is no more free lunch - the welfare checks end today, because we have a job available for you, and you just demonstrated that you don't really have any intention of working to get off welfare."

    The Employers would HATE this idea, because they would have to start paying payroll taxes on them, and two wrongs certainly do not make a right.


    And no, I'm not a Native American, but my family came here LEGALLY.
     
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    That's a good idea.
     
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    The Republicans don't want illegals made legal because they benefit far too much off their labor. You don't have to pay illegals minimum wage, adhere to OSHA laws, pay payroll, FICA, or Social Security taxes, or benefits. You're free to fire or hire them at whim. It's an employer's wet dream. Sure you might get busted by INS once in a while but to these employers, the risk is outweighed by the benefit. If you want to eliminate illegal immigration then tell your buddies to stop hiring them. As we've seen during this recession, if the jobs dry-up, they go home.

    Everything else is lip service. Which is why they don't want amnesty either.
     
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    Just to make a quick clarification: There's a third category between illegal immigrant and citizen. A permanent resident, such as a green card holder, is someone allowed to live and work in the country and pay taxes, but does not have all the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, such as voting.

    There's no reason to think that even if an amnesty is granted that the previous illegals will immediately become citizens.
     
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    Which is worse, giving medical services to illegals with communicable diseases or permitting them to become epidemics?
     
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    Giving them medical care, by far. It's immoral to spend our dollars on illegal immigrants. If there's an epidemic well then that's God's will and though some people may die it doesn't matter because God can sort them out in the end. It's not up to us to question His will in such matters. Those of us with insurance will be able to get treatment and those without will just have to seek whatever free care they can. Again, it's not up to us to question who God has favored with good health care and who He hasn't. Doing what is right is far more important than surrendering our principles to health care for illegal immigrants and, possibly, our health.
     
  18. Pitbull

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    Why stop there?
    He could fix the murder problem by legalizing murder.
     
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    notnmuntil they pop out some anchor babies. want economic stimulus build the wall!!!
     
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    I'm a rep and a small buisness owner and I want them out. i will not press one for english.! if they come here legally and embrace our culture language etc anstead of changing it and be more assett than burden then I welcome anyone.
     
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