lpsg bullyclanlifers

[L_egit]

So you have to right to tell other people what to do?

Your evasive skills are lacking, no matter what your will demands you do.

I've answered your question more than once.

Are you trying to ask me if I have the right to compel others to do things? Because that seems to be what you're implying, and its an entirely different answer.

 

[helgaleena]

Anyone has the right to tell others what to do, and they also have the right to refuse, or ignore. Tell is not the same as compel, as any parent soon learns :tongue:

It can be annoying, and then the blessing of Internet is that you can just switch to another place or push a button and voila! it is a relief.

Anything lingering in the brain can be fixed with BRAIN BLEACH, available from humor sites ...

 

[693987]

Far from what Cath implies, these aren't jokes. They aren't subtle nudges in the side. They're exactly what they look like at face value. "Fuck off" is the easiest, and shortest example, which is why I refer to it often, but its not limited to a particular person and a particular phrase.

$0.02
Um, I don't think telling someone to "fuck off" is necessarily mean. The word "fuck" has gotten pretty passe and I tell people to fuck off all the time. Sometimes it's meant sincerely, other times it's said with a smile and a grin. If you are the type of person who gets offended by every little thing on the internet, you probably shouldn't hang out on it.. I'm not saying it's good or appropriate or right that calling people names or using foul language has become the norm... but. It kinda has.

 

[helgaleena]

$0.02
Um, I don't think telling someone to "fuck off" is necessarily mean. The word "fuck" has gotten pretty passe and I tell people to fuck off all the time. Sometimes it's meant sincerely, other times it's said with a smile and a grin. If you are the type of person who gets offended by every little thing on the internet, you probably shouldn't hang out on it.. I'm not saying it's good or appropriate or right that calling people names or using foul language has become the norm... but. It kinda has.

Oh good, it's working! :tongue: I live for the day when 'fuck you' is not used in anger but only in hope...

 

[L_egit]

$0.02
Um, I don't think telling someone to "fuck off" is necessarily mean. The word "fuck" has gotten pretty passe and I tell people to fuck off all the time. Sometimes it's meant sincerely, other times it's said with a smile and a grin. If you are the type of person who gets offended by every little thing on the internet, you probably shouldn't hang out on it.. I'm not saying it's good or appropriate or right that calling people names or using foul language has become the norm... but. It kinda has.

I think that's the problem. I personally don't get offended very easily, but I know a lot of people who have left because personal attacks have become the norm. Its completely unnecessary.

You're right, 'fuck off' can be a joke. I don't think anyone minds it in those contexts, between friends who know it isn't meant. Even a quick reading of this thread should show you that that isn't the case always. There are plenty of very malicious statements made here.

If it isn't appropriate that such activities are the norm, threads like this one should be a reminder that we can do better. Trying to say that its okay because 'that's the way it currently is' is a rather flimsy justification that can be used against any argument for change.

Anything lingering in the brain can be fixed with BRAIN BLEACH, available from humor sites ...

Have some friendly Eye Bleach or Guy Bleach !

 

[petite]

Well, I agree that it's confusing... As I wrote this earlier in a totally different thread:

Mademoiselle Rouge showed me this, which I believe is relevant to the reason why LOL and smilies or something equivalent is necessary for text communication today:

Poe's Law

Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adage reflecting the fact that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism.[1]


The sentiments expressed by Poe date back much further, at least to 1983 when Jerry Schwarz in a post on Usenet wrote:[4]
8. Avoid sarcasm and facetious remarks.
Without the voice inflection and body language of personal communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways smile, , has become widely accepted on the net as an indication that "I'm only kidding". If you submit a satiric item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.

Civil discourse is preferable, IMO. Foul language without a clear indication of intent is obviously easily misinterpreted. But I think it's condescending to constantly be telling other people that they should be more civil during an argument. I think it's fine for someone to to apply one's own set of rules to oneself, but it becomes intolerant when someone insists that others abide by them. I think it's controlling to turn the conversation into a critique of how the other person argues if they don't fit into one's own personal guidelines, and an obnoxious tactic during an argument to use that as a way of getting the moral upper hand.

And that is completely outside any of my beliefs regarding harassment, which I think happens, but not to the extent that the OP claimed. People here can be extremely cranky sometimes and excessively harsh sometimes and sometimes insulting, but I don't know what could be done about that. Sometimes the mean/insulting/cranky people are regulars, sometimes they're newbies, sometimes they're occasional posters. I think there's a kind of forum karma at play, that in general people who post in a stern or bossy or mean way get what they put out there in return, but sometimes people get treated in a way that seems harsher than they deserve. I suppose there's only two way to deal with it, you could call someone out specifically for being too harsh, but that could cause an even bigger ruckus so it's a risk, or you could report them.

 

[B_Hickboy]

I think that's the problem. I personally don't get offended very easily, but I know a lot of people who have left because personal attacks have become the norm. Its completely unnecessary.

You're right, 'fuck off' can be a joke. I don't think anyone minds it in those contexts, between friends who know it isn't meant. Even a quick reading of this thread should show you that that isn't the case always. There are plenty of very malicious statements made here.

If it isn't appropriate that such activities are the norm, threads like this one should be a reminder that we can do better. Trying to say that its okay because 'that's the way it currently is' is a rather flimsy justification that can be used against any argument for change.

Have some friendly Eye Bleach or Guy Bleach !

Who the fuck do you think you are? You fucking do better.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Once you know Poe's Law, you never seen anything the same way again....

 

[petite]

Once you know Poe's Law, you never seen anything the same way again....

It's actually something I already believed, but I didn't know there was a name for it.

I'm never sure about other people's motivations or meanings IRL because I can usually think of multiple motivations for people's behavior, so I'm a lot more skeptical on the internet. The number of times someone has misinterpreted my meaning or motivations or intentions has driven home to me how much difficulty other people have with it, too.

Regarding how easy it is to misinterpret posts, especially things like sarcasm and humor, I described something similar in that thread about using "lol."

It depends on context. If someone keeps making one liner funnies in a chat conversation, then I think feedback that you are appreciating their humor is good. It's a substitute for the fact that they cannot hear you or see your face. I suppose that one could try to think of unique ways to tell the other person each time you laughed at something funny that they said, but that would slow down the conversation and be a lot more awkward. And with chat, immediate feedback is helpful, since without it you don't know if the person walked away from the keyboard, or had a stroke, or what until they respond to the last thing that you type. You could just keep saying, "Oh I read that last thing and you're really clever. I'm still here." Or you could say, "Lol!"

It's also a way of letting someone know that a line was meant facetiously or sarcastically instead of deadpan serious without writing "I was being sarcastic just now." That actually makes it a lot less funny than "lol."

In those ways I think it's a useful substitute for things like tone of voice and facial expressions.

A long time ago people used j/k to indicate when they were joking. It meant "just kidding." It seems like lol has replaced that now.

 

[aninnymouse]

I think that's the problem. I personally don't get offended very easily, but I know a lot of people who have left because personal attacks have become the norm. Its completely unnecessary.

You're right, 'fuck off' can be a joke. I don't think anyone minds it in those contexts, between friends who know it isn't meant. Even a quick reading of this thread should show you that that isn't the case always. There are plenty of very malicious statements made here.

If it isn't appropriate that such activities are the norm, threads like this one should be a reminder that we can do better. Trying to say that its okay because 'that's the way it currently is' is a rather flimsy justification that can be used against any argument for change.

Have some friendly Eye Bleach or Guy Bleach !

Okay. How's about you post an incidence where there's been a personal attack like you are describing?

That will make it much more clear than what you are currently saying, which is basically: "Y'all suck. Yer a buncha bullies who attack anyone who dud'nt agree wit'choos."

So, please, Come ready to play, back your shit up. Then you won't get the same answer over and over again....

 

[alx]

So I am told if I find something offensive or against LPSG t&c then I should report it. I report the posts that are spam or offensive and what happens..... I get BANNED for flooding the mods forum.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

 

[petite]

So I am told if I find something offensive or against LPSG t&c then I should report it. I report the posts that are spam or offensive and what happens..... I get BANNED for flooding the mods forum.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

How many reports are we talking about?

 

[aninnymouse]

So I am told if I find something offensive or against LPSG t&c then I should report it. I report the posts that are spam or offensive and what happens..... I get BANNED for flooding the mods forum.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Yeah. How many you talking about? If it's that extreme, maybe you should grow a thicker skin, and try not to be so offended by stuff.

Or, if it's something you find to be out of line, speak up about it, and if you get flamed, THEN make a report. Y'know, if you find something not proper, and want to say something, you don't have to be bitchy about it.

 

[wallaboi]

Where do you get the right to enter a culture you are new to, take exception to what's going on and has been going on before you arrived, and begin telling those who were here when you came in how they should behave?

There is no logic in the argument that one should just accept bad behaviour, because it has been going on for a long time, or that one particular individual or group should be exempt from adhearing to the rules, because they have previously got away with harassment or (perceived) bad behaviour.

 

[aninnymouse]

There is no logic in the argument that one should just accept bad behaviour, because it has been going on for a long time, or that one particular individual or group should be exempt from adhearing to the rules, because they have previously got away with harassment or (perceived) bad behaviour.

True. However, I'd like to see some specific examples of this Bad Behavior, the "Bullying" and "Harassment" by the "Clanlifers" that the OP, and L_egit are speaking of. Obviously L_egit is very invested in this thread. I'm rather curious as to why. Is he trolling like that other poster, the one who got banhammered was? Or is it more? I want to know. I also want him to come as clean with it as possible, not to necessarily name names, but to explicitly show the rest of the people where there is an issue, because otherwise, how would we know?

Jeez. It's not rocket science.

 

[hibernian82]

Couldnt be arsed reading all 25 pages but i know what your trying to say Curiousme. this thread kinda proves ur point.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Ahhh yes stir the nest of bees and then complain about the bee stinging epidemic. Nice self-fulfilling prophecy. It's been done a million times. So what? Big deal. Fuck off.

 

[Willifred]

I see this thread didn't get any better then.

 

[aninnymouse]

Couldnt be arsed reading all 25 pages but i know what your trying to say Curiousme. this thread kinda proves ur point.

Fuck you, Bitch. If you can't be bothered to read, why even post?

Idjit.

 

[hibernian82]

haha case and point! did you read it? good on you then, but i was just answering the original first post anway.