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Who are you going to vote for in your state's primary/caucus?

  • Clinton

    Votes: 12 38.7%
  • Sanders

    Votes: 15 48.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 12.9%

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America's Election 2016: South Carolina's Black Vote

February 26, 2016 | 3:47 pm
Hillary Clinton is expected to win the South Carolina primary on Saturday, and she's going to rely on the state's large African-American population to get her there. But after decades of building up relationships with the black community particularly in the south, her rival Bernie Sanders and his supporters are starting to question her record of working to help African-Americans.

The question for black voters both in South Carolina and across the country, is whether to again support the family they've long known or to take a chance on the one that, in many cases, they don't know at all.

VICE News traveled across South Carolina, talking to African-American voters about their relationship with the Clintons and to see whether Sanders' appeal, particularly among young people, is making any headway in these communities.

America's Election 2016: South Carolina's Black Vote | VICE News
 

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I'm becoming more convinced Bernie's coat tails will sweep in a New Democratic majority in the senate and quite possibly a signigpficant gain in the house.

The mass electorate, of all stripes, wants significant change. Obama touted "hope", Bernies is calling for revolution and its resounding among a great many people, liberal and conservative alike.

Hillary continues to prove herself a republican in everything but name. She's a DINO

I agree the electorate wants change, but I do not see a single Democrat running for Congress or the Senate on a platform that even remotely resembles Bernie's. There is not a lot for Bernie's coattails (such as they may be) to sweep. The Senate is doable, but the party - thanks to Wasserman-Schultz does not have a 50 state plan like Howard Dean did. Still the Supreme court debacle MAY hurt the GOP more than polling suggests right now. It would take a tidal wave to make a dent in the house - but I am hopeful for some gains.
 
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Sanders has a great platform and seems to be a genuinely nice guy, but Hillary really does seem more electable... more Presidential.

Agreed. The US electorate will never go for in enough numbers to make Bernie's ideas reality. And in fact by trying to launch a mission to Mars that ends in spectacular failure we forgo a more reasonable doable mission like the moon. Hillary is far from perfect with a few flaws but she's what we have. If democrats had invested in the state houses as the conservatives did we have a lot more possible democratic governors to choose from but they didn't and we don't.

Then there is the feasibility of his economic plan working out as he campaigns.
 

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Agreed. The US electorate will never go for in enough numbers to make Bernie's ideas reality. And in fact by trying to launch a mission to Mars that ends in spectacular failure we forgo a more reasonable doable mission like the moon. Hillary is far from perfect with a few flaws but she's what we have. If democrats had invested in the state houses as the conservatives did we have a lot more possible democratic governors to choose from but they didn't and we don't.

Then there is the feasibility of his economic plan working out as he campaigns.
Wish I'd said that. Colourful and exact.
 

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either Clinton or Sanders
women blacks for Clinton its an obvious .. hopefully


Young black voters criticise Hillary Clinton

Published on Feb 27, 2016
Hillary Clinton is hoping voters in South Carolina will give her a big boost in the race to the White House.Polls open for the Democrat primary in a few hours. The state has many African Americans who have traditionally supported her, but younger black voters are not so sure. Kimberly Halkett reports from Columbia.

 
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Hillary has a huge caucus.

And by caucus, Fuzzy means super delegates
Anyone who has a huge caucus can be intimidating to someone who has a small caucus. Just how huge is her caucus?
 

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Agreed. The US electorate will never go for in enough numbers to make Bernie's ideas reality. And in fact by trying to launch a mission to Mars that ends in spectacular failure we forgo a more reasonable doable mission like the moon. Hillary is far from perfect with a few flaws but she's what we have. If democrats had invested in the state houses as the conservatives did we have a lot more possible democratic governors to choose from but they didn't and we don't.

Then there is the feasibility of his economic plan working out as he campaigns.
I'm voting for the candidate with the message of "Yes we can" rather than the one with the message,"No we can't"
 
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I'm voting for the candidate with the message of "Yes we can" rather than the one with the message,"No we can't"

How is that different from the Trump voters who believe he's going to build a wall along the Mexican border and Mexico is going to pay for it? Or he's going to round-up 11 million illegals and deport them? And a Muslim database? It's just not going to happen.

And without Congress his proposals are just pie-in-the-sky.
www.washingtonpost.com: These congressional candidates got inspiration from Sanders – but little else
 
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By March 16, we'll all know that Bernie's going nowhere.
FiveThirtyEight, my favourite polling site, gives Bernie the win in Vermont on March 1 with 99 percent chance of victory.
But in 12 other states, Clinton has either a comfortable or enormous lead.

For today, February 27, she leads in South Carolina (99 percent chance of victory).

For March 1, she leads in
Arkansas (96 percent),
Georgia (99 percent),
Massachusetts (63 percent),
Oklahoma (59 percent),
Tennessee (96 percent),
Texas (99 percent),
Virginia (99 percent).

For March 8, she leads in Michigan (95 percent).

For March 15, she leads in
Florida (99 percent),
Illinois (99 percent),
North Carolina (93 percent),
Ohio (89 percent).

A reminder: These figures represent FiveThirtyEight's estimate of chances for victory, not a direct reflection of the likely vote.

Add in the superdelegates and there's no doubt Bernie is chalking up a noble effort, not a victory.
 
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Universal Single Payer Health Care is my most important issue. With Senator Sanders we at least get to open the door and see what it looks like. Secretary Clinton tells me not to open the door. I'm not naive, it's not going to happen overnight, but it is past time that the United States join the rest of first world countries and tend to the Health of our citizens. Senator Sanders cracks the door open, Secretary Clinton keeps it locked.
 

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Sanders reminds Fuzzy of that professor in the movies who is trying to convince everyone that the world is ending as the wind scatters his research papers around the quad.

There are some commonalities among happy, healthy nations. This includes accessible healthcare and education. Sanders plans on delivering these, but it will be expensive. Even more expensive, though, is a collapsed economy from $1.5 trillion in unpaid student load debt and the most expensive healthcare system in the world (per capita). Sanders has admitted that he will raise taxes, but that it will be mostly the rich who will be paying for these changes. The ROI may not be seen for a decade, but it doesn't matter some things are essential in a late modernity society, and education and healthcare are two of them.

In many of these prosperous, happy and healthy nations, education and healthcare are a citizen's right. Do these countries lack freedom? Are they unable to criticize their government, assemble peacefully, start a business, or run for office? Granting people basic rights does not lead to socialism or deprive people of freedom. If anything, the increased social mobility grants people more freedom.

TL;DR Sanders has a great platform but looks like a kook.
 

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hope hills gets in
i want to see how she pays back Bill

respectful lady, may send him an email first i geuss, its what dems can do,/are good at, apparently .


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Universal Single Payer Health Care is my most important issue. With Senator Sanders we at least get to open the door and see what it looks like. Secretary Clinton tells me not to open the door. I'm not naive, it's not going to happen overnight, but it is past time that the United States join the rest of first world countries and tend to the Health of our citizens. Senator Sanders cracks the door open, Secretary Clinton keeps it locked.

I would not say Mrs. Clinton is closing the door - we know what it looks like. The reality is the country as a whole has been brain washed on single payer as a communist plot to take our guns so there is no political viability to making that leap. If more Congressmen get elected supporting single payer, her doors will be open if for no other reason than there are votes there.
 
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Is De La Fuente still in it?

He'd have my vote. He's actually had a real job and run multiple businesses (tick over Bernie) and even though he's an ex-car salesman and real estate agent, he somehow seems more trustworthy than Hillary.
 

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If more Congressmen get elected supporting single payer, her doors will be open if for no other reason than there are votes there.
How Brave of Secretary Clinton. She'll support Single Payer if the "Votes are there". I prefer my candidate to operate on the courage of their convictions rather with a wind-testing finger in the air. It seems Secretary Clinton has a habit of this: marriage equality, Iraq, criminal justice reform, TPP, NAFTA, Keystone, Cuban Embargo, No Child Left Behind, DNC Lobbyist Fundraising, Wall Street etc......
 
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To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go . . .

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We tried the "govern similar to Republicans so they will support our republican-lite ideas" the last 8 years with Obama and we previously did that with Clinton for 8 years. It never works and and it doesn't work for very simple reasons.

The first reason is that American politics is basically an ongoing & constant negotiation between two ideologies or "sides". This negotiation is how our laws are made and how anything gets done outside of the Supreme Court.

When you negotiate... you start out with what you dream about having and if you are lucky, you only get negotiated down to what you actually want... and in the worst case scenario... what you most desperately need.

The Democrats have been starting their negotiations with what they most desperately need and routinely get worked down to what they really don't want at all... it's not rocket science.

Hillary's Republican-lite proposals will get whittled down into actual Republican proposals... EXACTLY how Barack Obama's administration went down. Bernie Sanders' Socialist proposals will just get whittled down into a sort of Republican-lite Hillary style proposal that will actually help stabilize our country's free fall into gross decline... it's not rocket science.

The second reason is that Hillary Clinton is a hardcore partisan Democrat that is reviled and hated by the Republican base to the Nth degree. Bernie Sanders is NOT a partisan... he's a middle of the road centrist politician who has always garnered great support from the Republicans and Independents. Many so-called Independents are actually closet Republicans who have conservative ideologies but are usually pretty disgusted by the Republican party's antics and ridiculous platforms... those people will have NO problem both voting for Bernie Sanders and in SUPPORTING his platform. Hillary Clinton won't get an ounce of their support... they will all vote for Trump.

Decent and respectable Republicans will be grossed out by a Trump presidency and will have zero problems voting for Bernie... Hillary Clinton's negatives with these folks are just too deeply entrenched.

The country doesn't know what Democratic Socialism is and when it's explained to them, think it's a decent idea. People are willing to try new things and to cling to the pantsuit of a reviled partisan who supports Republican-lite policies will be the UNDOING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

A vote for Hillary is also a vote for the status quo of the Democratic party not energizing their base with progressive ideals... this leads to depressed midterm turn-outs and locks the Dems into a Executive branch only party... which is a fucking corner you DON'T wanna be in. A vote for Bernie is a vote for a progressive Revolution which will ignite the spirit of "solutions to problems" and a roadmap to prosperity and greater peace around the world. This revolution will sweep the Democrats into being energized because we are all fighting for true ideals... something that is REAL and not an empty slogan... we'll never lose another midterm again and we will take back our country through progressive ideals not limousine liberalism.

Vote Bernie