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Well it seems to me that lesbians and gay guys have had to struggle for their rights in the USA for many decades so it doesn't make much sense for them to support the Republicans. Republicans have catered to the right-wing christian groups who are specifically anti-homosexual and make no bones about it. So from my POV it makes no sense for gay people to be Republicans.

And this is what I come back to, as well. Travis, it's not that I don't get - or respect - where you're coming from. I do. But if I had to chose which issue to throw to the wolves, queer rights seems like it ought to be last on the list.

I'm sure my confusion is heightened by the fact that I don't really see much difference between the Republican and Democratic parties. One has more social conservatives than the other, one is slightly less hawkish than the other...but whatever; that's a different thread.
 
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I already stated a few different ways that not everyone who is gay thinks "gay rights" need to be legally mandated. It's an abstract idea, but I really feel it's simple enough in this form to understand if you can get past the idea that all gay people have to feel the same way about it. If you can't get any more specific about why it's confusing than "I don't get it, explain," how can you expect me to get any more specific in my explanation?
 

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When I came out, I came out as both a homo and a Democrat. In a way it's been a rough ride. Yet, you know, it's a yin-yang sort of thing. It seems no one is completely one party or the other. There is a small part of the other party in everyone. Sometimes it is a very, very small part, but it's there. The Nov. 28, 2011 New Yorker profiles Peter Thiel in an article titled, "No Death, No Taxes". Theil is a 44 year-old Silicon Valley gay billionaire. He's a fund-raiser for GOProud. I'm sure they're fine with that. It's a long article and sort of helped me understand what it is like to be a gay Republican/Libertarian. Can't say I fully understand it. For me it's sort of like trying to understand Clarence Thomas, or the Jerry Springer Show or many other things that are "American".
 
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I have little doubt that, among Republicans, there are hung men and their admirers. The question isn't if they exist, but rather, whether they feel comfortable in joining LPSG. The site attracts a more sexually liberated group of people than conservatives tend to be.
 

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I have little doubt that, among Republicans, there are hung men and their admirers. The question isn't if they exist, but rather, whether they feel comfortable in joining LPSG. The site attracts a more sexually liberated group of people than conservatives tend to be.
I've often known conservatives to be sexually liberated. Try not to polarize or work from stereotypes. It's never as simple as "Republicans are prudes and Democrats are sluts."
 

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I already stated a few different ways that not everyone who is gay thinks "gay rights" need to be legally mandated. It's an abstract idea, but I really feel it's simple enough in this form to understand if you can get past the idea that all gay people have to feel the same way about it. If you can't get any more specific about why it's confusing than "I don't get it, explain," how can you expect me to get any more specific in my explanation?

What's confusing is that despite the multi-millennial oppression, ostracization, and persecution of gays, as well as the ongoing denial of basic human rights to gays.....you remain opposed to gay rights. What other conclusion could one draw but that you are either self-loathing, mentally ill, or a political shill?
 
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Hi. Lifelong conservative, here. Let me try to correct a few of the misconceptions I've seen in this thread.

1) Democrat/Republican and Liberal/Conservative are not the same thing. There is a general correlation, but it's not a 1:1 relationship. I am conservative. I often (but not always) vote Republican.

2) Despite the bad press, the TEA Party (stands for Taxed Enough, Already) stands for limited government involvement in our lives, a reduced size and power of the federal government, and obviously a related reduction in the individual tax burden. The name harkens back to the original Boston Tea Party, which had as its slogan "no taxation without representation." A remarkably similar premise. Their goals are clearly and specifically enumerated, the participants are almost universally polite and well mannered, and the rallies are a positive reflection on their cause.

Those goals are consistent with our founding documents, and the way our government is "supposed" to work. And yes, I support those goals.

3) Gay rights are, essentially, just rights. It's wrong to discriminate against people...gay people included! Those who oppose "gay rights," usually oppose them on philosophical grounds, but are subjected to accusations of bigotry. It's not bigotry...it's logic! It's analogous to black rights, women's rights, etc...they're the same rights, but restated and reaffirmed for each minority group. Kinda' ridiculous when you view it through that prism.

Some of us are smart enough to realize this fact, and are resisting the current trend to break up the "American melting pot" into increasingly disparate groups of sub-categories.

It's easier to explain using a different example, though. Truism: Murder is wrong. Is a white man murdering a black man *more* wrong? No? Then why does "hate crime" legislation try to say that it is?

4) There are those of us who are not gay, who fully support full equality for gays (and all sexual minorities)...but that doesn't mean taking a specially enumerated "reverse discrimination" approach. And that's where a lot of the gay rights discussions invariably end up.

5) What does the size of my endowment have to do with my political views? Republicans (or conservatives) are not sexually repressed prudes...and even if we were, where else would one come for advice on underwear for big guys?

Heck, I found this site with a google search about "my balls fall out of my underwear," or something similar.

Most of us just don't have the desire to flaunt it in your face, like a circus side show.
 
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Hi. Lifelong conservative, here. Let me try to correct a few of the misconceptions I've seen in this thread.

1) Democrat/Republican and Liberal/Conservative are not the same thing. There is a general correlation, but it's not a 1:1 relationship. I am conservative. I usually (but not always) vote Republican.

2) Despite the bad press, the TEA Party (stands for Taxed Enough, Already) stands for limited government involvement in our lives, a reduced size and power of the federal government, and obviously a related reduction in the individual tax burden. The name harkens back to the original Boston Tea Party, which had as its slogan "no taxation without representation." A remarkably similar premise. Their goals are clearly and specifically enumerated, the participants are almost universally polite and well mannered, and the rallies are a positive reflection on their cause.

Those goals are consistent with our founding documents, and the way our government is "supposed" to work. And yes, I support those goals.

3) Gay rights are, essentially, just rights. Those who oppose them, usually oppose them on philosophical grounds. It's analogous to black rights, women's rights, etc...they're the same rights, but restated and reaffirmed for each minority group. Kinda' silly when you view it through that prism. Some of us are smart enough to realize this.

It's easier to explain using a different example, though...murder is wrong. Is a white man murdering a black man *more* wrong? No? Then why does "hate crime" legislation try to say that it is?

4) There are those of us who are not gay, who fully support full equality for gays (and all sexual minorities)...but that doesn't mean taking a specially enumerated "reverse discrimination" approach.

5) What does the size of my endowment have to do with my political views? Republicans (or conservatives) are not sexually repressed prudes...and even if we were, where else would you come for advice on underwear for big guys?

Most of us just don't have the desire to flaunt it in your face, like a circus side show.

I say this with all due respect:

I think you're full of shit.

Edited to add: You're not gay? Then what value is your comment on gay republicans? Not much. And the "white murdering black" thing? Just really shitty.
 
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I say this with all due respect:

I think you're full of shit.

Edited to add: You're not gay? Then what value is your comment on gay republicans? Not much. And the "white murdering black" thing? Just really shitty.
Yes, I can feel the respect.

Notice the title of this thread...LPSG Republicans. It doesn't specifically mention gay Republicans.

We can agree to disagree on politics, and likely will continue to do so.

I will, however, *respectfully* ask you one question.

I can accept that my opinion may or may not be popular, and especially given the leanings evident on this site...but did I say anything that you believe is actually wrong?
 
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Hi. Lifelong conservative, here. Let me try to correct a few of the misconceptions I've seen in this thread.

1) Democrat/Republican and Liberal/Conservative are not the same thing. There is a general correlation, but it's not a 1:1 relationship. I am conservative. I often (but not always) vote Republican.

2) Despite the bad press, the TEA Party (stands for Taxed Enough, Already) stands for limited government involvement in our lives, a reduced size and power of the federal government, and obviously a related reduction in the individual tax burden. The name harkens back to the original Boston Tea Party, which had as its slogan "no taxation without representation." A remarkably similar premise. Their goals are clearly and specifically enumerated, the participants are almost universally polite and well mannered, and the rallies are a positive reflection on their cause.

Those goals are consistent with our founding documents, and the way our government is "supposed" to work.
The Tea Party has evolved quicky into a Hate Group/Militant Arm of the Republican Party. In record time. It has nothing to do with "getting back to the good essence of America...." And yes, I support those goals.

3) Gay rights are, essentially, just rights. Just rights? Why does this sound so awfully familiar to that guy who just got banned? It's wrong to discriminate against people...gay people included! Those who oppose "gay rights," usually oppose them on philosophical grounds, but are subjected to accusations of bigotry. It's not bigotry...it's logic! Those who oppose gay rights are victims of bigotry? That's asininity taken to the nth degree. You've lost all credibility at this point. It's analogous to black rights, women's rights, etc...they're the same rights, but restated and reaffirmed for each minority group. Kinda' ridiculous when you view it through that prism.

Some of us are smart enough to realize this fact, and are resisting the current trend to break up the "American melting pot" into increasingly disparate groups of sub-categories. A dog whistle shout out to all your bigoted brethren. Nice.

It's easier to explain using a different example, though. Truism: Murder is wrong. Is a white man murdering a black man *more* wrong? No? Then why does "hate crime" legislation try to say that it is? False equivalence. Why am I not surprised?

4) There are those of us who are not gay, who fully support full equality for gays (and all sexual minorities)...but that doesn't mean taking a specially enumerated "reverse discrimination" approach. More false equivalence. And that's where a lot of the gay rights discussions invariably end up.

5) What does the size of my endowment have to do with my political views? Republicans (or conservatives) are not sexually repressed prudes...and even if we were, where else would one come for advice on underwear for big guys?

Heck, I found this site with a google search about "my balls fall out of my underwear," or something similar.
Given all that's gone before, this is so unlikely as to be demonstrably "no fucking way".
Most of us just don't have the desire to flaunt it in your face, like a circus side show.

Yes, I can feel the respect.

Notice the title of this thread...LPSG Republicans. It doesn't specifically mention gay Republicans.

We can agree to disagree on politics, and likely will continue to do so, but I'm not going to tolerate your disrespect. An apology for spouting off, would be appropriate...

I will, however, *respectfully* ask you one question.

What, that I said, do you view as being incorrect?

Falsities and other general nonsense bolded in the quote of your post. Responses included in yellow.
 
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Falsities and other general nonsense bolded in the quote of your post. Responses included in yellow.
OK, obviously we're on opposite ends of the spectrum. But, since most of your issues were with the two statements about the TEA Party and the equal rights include gay rights comments, let me address those.

2) Hi. I'm one of those people who supports the TEA Party's stated goals. Many people I know support the stated goals, as well. None of us is what anyone could call militant, or motivated by hate. This truly takes me by surprise.

The stated goals of smaller government, reduced presence in our lives, etc *are* consistent with what is laid out in the Constitution...again, your reaction truly takes me by surprise.

3) Yes. Just rights. Equal means equal. As I said, discriminating against people is wrong. And, frankly, discriminating in *favor* of people is wrong, too.

Yes, I do believe that granting special rights and privileges to any specific group, just because they want to identify as a separate group, is inconsistent with the spirit of equal rights. Wasn't there a court case, ages ago, about "separate but equal?" And yes, many times the people who advocate reason, and do not support "special rights for (x) group" are accused of bigotry. It's not actually bigotry...but the accusation of bigotry is a popular retort.

Victim might be a bit of an overstatement, though.


@Melbbiguy: As you can see, American political discussions can become quite heated, and very quickly. Are Australian political discussions as wildly polarized as ours?
 

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I am a LPSG Democrat. I don't think liberal is a bad word. I never believed that Obama was a Socialist. I believe in the Constitution of the United States for liberties and rights of all Americans. I don't hate President Obama. I don't blame him for any of the economic malaise.



(But none of this really matters as this is a LPSG Republicans thread. LOL. )
 

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Yes, I do believe that granting special rights and privileges to any specific group, just because they want to identify as a separate group, is inconsistent with the spirit of equal rights. Wasn't there a court case, ages ago, about "separate but equal?"

This sounds like an apt description of many opposite-sex couples claiming a "special right" to marriage for themselves, and maybe that's what you meant. But a lot of conservatives would twist that to mean gays and lesbians, who of course only seek to be included, not excluded.
 

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OK, obviously we're on opposite ends of the spectrum. But, since most of your issues were with the two statements about the TEA Party and the equal rights include gay rights comments, let me address those.

2) Hi. I'm one of those people who supports the TEA Party's stated goals. Many people I know support the stated goals, as well. None of us is what anyone could call militant, or motivated by hate. This truly takes me by surprise.

The stated goals of smaller government, reduced presence in our lives, etc *are* consistent with what is laid out in the Constitution...again, your reaction truly takes me by surprise.

3) Yes. Just rights. Equal means equal. As I said, discriminating against people is wrong. And, frankly, discriminating in *favor* of people is wrong, too.

Yes, I do believe that granting special rights and privileges to any specific group, just because they want to identify as a separate group, is inconsistent with the spirit of equal rights. Wasn't there a court case, ages ago, about "separate but equal?" And yes, many times the people who advocate reason, and do not support "special rights for (x) group" are accused of bigotry. It's not actually bigotry...but the accusation of bigotry is a popular retort.

Victim might be a bit of an overstatement, though.


@Melbbiguy: As you can see, American political discussions can become quite heated, and very quickly. Are Australian political discussions as wildly polarized as ours?

Hey, it's Jingoist gone subtle-r. For the moment, no doubt.

The Tea Party's stated goals mean little when the behavior of it's members is so deplorable. If this "truly takes you by surprise", then I'm back to my "full of shit" assessment. I mean, give us a break.

Separate but equal. Wow. That you invoke that language is telling. Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education...what it means is precisely that you can't say straight and gay are "equal" but we're going to treat them different.

I'll save the long-winded responses for now, since I'm getting a potent whiff of TROLL.

I'll await your further flowering.
 
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