mindseye: [quote author=mindseye link=board=meetgreet;num=1068043927;start=0#11 date=11/06/03 at 07:02:41]
Donk, you asked for a rundown of events yesterday, and I was hoping someone a little more neutral than me would have answered. Since that hasn't happened, here's (as fairly as I can come up with) a chronology:
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In an effort to be fair, I invited Sammygirly and Maximillian to review the facts for accuracy. Here is Sammygirly's reply.
Below is what Max would like to say. I don't have much to add, but would appreciate it if you posted it for us. It's unfortunate that tempers have flared like they have. Some of my "closest" LPSG acquaintances are those
that I'm finding myself defending me to....sadly.
The one thing I would point out in your explanation is that you did not necessarily disagree to the TOS as venhemently as you make it seem. If I recall correctly, you were opposed to the legal appearance of the TOS example presented and suggested instead a possible set of "Guidelines". You even made two suggestions of your own to add to any list of "rules" that might be created. So, this idea that I forced the idea of setting rules on people like some kind of dictator is not accurate. It was merely a
suggestion based on discussions with other mods and members who seemed likewise confused as to what was acceptable or not.
I want to go on record as saying that I wish the HUMONGOUS bullshit had happened at some other time because that issue and this have now become intertwined. They have little to do with each other except that he was the cause of the conversation regarding whether set rules and regulations might help us moderate better.
It started as a suggestion to improve, revealed something I was not comfortable with, and resulted in much more mud-slinging than is necessary.
For the record as well - there is no competitive board. It's a group of people posting together - from BOTH worlds. Period.
sammy - not quite the cold hearted drama queen you would believe.
"submission is a state of mind, Dominance is the ability to bring said state of mind to the front"
She's right on both counts. Although I objected to a TOS, I phrased my initial objections less forcefully than the ones I've since made in public.
I'd like to clarify, though, that the two 'rules' that I suggested be added if the TOS were going to be promulgated were not at all based on the content of peoples' posts, but dealt with technical issues (confidentiality of stored info, server hacking).
Here's Maximillian's reply. I have no comment on it.:
I had hope My last post had made it clear the reason I left and that all the suppositions were wrong. Your timeline and facts where I am concerned are severely flawed and here is how.
#1 Yes, I submitted the very roughed out TOS example, however thats what it was, an example and one I hoped could be used as a guideline, not one cast in stone. I offered the example up when everything was going on as a possible solution and stepped out of it. So any insinuations that I wanted it to be exactly as proffered are false. I would like that corrected as I was never directly involved in the TOS discussion, nor asked what My view
was on it. I offered it up to a board that at the time I respected and valued and expected nothing for it or My time.
#2 As I have repeatedly stated, I do not choose to be associated with any type of forum that allows anything related to sexual acts with children and that is My ONLY reason for vacating the board. Up until Mark stated that
these things were to be allowed, I had stepped back and was going to deal with My aversions to certain things. All of the other assumptions that were used as a base for bashing are falsehoods. My reasons for leaving had
already been made public and anything stating differently is libelous and slander.
#3 Yes it was taken public after discussion between a few people. It was felt the other members of the board deserved to know what had transpired and what was going to be allowed. There are quite a few professional people whos careers could be seriously hurt if they were found to be participating in a forum which allowed those vile topics.
#4 Humongous had nothing to do with Me leaving, he was an annoying little puppy nipping at My heels and I had already effectively kicked him away. I IMd Mark about his flooding My IM and nothing was done and yes Mark had been back on the board as thats when he posted the post about allowing anything that lead to My eventual departure after much soul searching.
#5 Stop trying to make it as if I made people leave, they left of their own free will with no encouragement from Me at all. I could care less if people stay, however I refused to and so did sammy. I am not some Messiah leading people away as you insinuated, they did so on their own. I even allowed sammy to make the choice for herself even though it was within My rights to make her leave.
Thats all I wish to say on this topic. However, the bashing and second guessing of My motives must stop or I will take farther action. This also includes any bashing of sammy. If you are going to post this as you offered to in your email, I expect My response to you to be posted in its entirety.
Too many facts are being left out, overlooked or manipulated at this point and I dont play that.
Maximillian
Donk, you asked for a rundown of events yesterday, and I was hoping someone a little more neutral than me would have answered. Since that hasn't happened, here's (as fairly as I can come up with) a chronology:
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In an effort to be fair, I invited Sammygirly and Maximillian to review the facts for accuracy. Here is Sammygirly's reply.
Below is what Max would like to say. I don't have much to add, but would appreciate it if you posted it for us. It's unfortunate that tempers have flared like they have. Some of my "closest" LPSG acquaintances are those
that I'm finding myself defending me to....sadly.
The one thing I would point out in your explanation is that you did not necessarily disagree to the TOS as venhemently as you make it seem. If I recall correctly, you were opposed to the legal appearance of the TOS example presented and suggested instead a possible set of "Guidelines". You even made two suggestions of your own to add to any list of "rules" that might be created. So, this idea that I forced the idea of setting rules on people like some kind of dictator is not accurate. It was merely a
suggestion based on discussions with other mods and members who seemed likewise confused as to what was acceptable or not.
I want to go on record as saying that I wish the HUMONGOUS bullshit had happened at some other time because that issue and this have now become intertwined. They have little to do with each other except that he was the cause of the conversation regarding whether set rules and regulations might help us moderate better.
It started as a suggestion to improve, revealed something I was not comfortable with, and resulted in much more mud-slinging than is necessary.
For the record as well - there is no competitive board. It's a group of people posting together - from BOTH worlds. Period.
sammy - not quite the cold hearted drama queen you would believe.
"submission is a state of mind, Dominance is the ability to bring said state of mind to the front"
She's right on both counts. Although I objected to a TOS, I phrased my initial objections less forcefully than the ones I've since made in public.
I'd like to clarify, though, that the two 'rules' that I suggested be added if the TOS were going to be promulgated were not at all based on the content of peoples' posts, but dealt with technical issues (confidentiality of stored info, server hacking).
Here's Maximillian's reply. I have no comment on it.:
I had hope My last post had made it clear the reason I left and that all the suppositions were wrong. Your timeline and facts where I am concerned are severely flawed and here is how.
#1 Yes, I submitted the very roughed out TOS example, however thats what it was, an example and one I hoped could be used as a guideline, not one cast in stone. I offered the example up when everything was going on as a possible solution and stepped out of it. So any insinuations that I wanted it to be exactly as proffered are false. I would like that corrected as I was never directly involved in the TOS discussion, nor asked what My view
was on it. I offered it up to a board that at the time I respected and valued and expected nothing for it or My time.
#2 As I have repeatedly stated, I do not choose to be associated with any type of forum that allows anything related to sexual acts with children and that is My ONLY reason for vacating the board. Up until Mark stated that
these things were to be allowed, I had stepped back and was going to deal with My aversions to certain things. All of the other assumptions that were used as a base for bashing are falsehoods. My reasons for leaving had
already been made public and anything stating differently is libelous and slander.
#3 Yes it was taken public after discussion between a few people. It was felt the other members of the board deserved to know what had transpired and what was going to be allowed. There are quite a few professional people whos careers could be seriously hurt if they were found to be participating in a forum which allowed those vile topics.
#4 Humongous had nothing to do with Me leaving, he was an annoying little puppy nipping at My heels and I had already effectively kicked him away. I IMd Mark about his flooding My IM and nothing was done and yes Mark had been back on the board as thats when he posted the post about allowing anything that lead to My eventual departure after much soul searching.
#5 Stop trying to make it as if I made people leave, they left of their own free will with no encouragement from Me at all. I could care less if people stay, however I refused to and so did sammy. I am not some Messiah leading people away as you insinuated, they did so on their own. I even allowed sammy to make the choice for herself even though it was within My rights to make her leave.
Thats all I wish to say on this topic. However, the bashing and second guessing of My motives must stop or I will take farther action. This also includes any bashing of sammy. If you are going to post this as you offered to in your email, I expect My response to you to be posted in its entirety.
Too many facts are being left out, overlooked or manipulated at this point and I dont play that.
Maximillian
