Lunatic right-wing Jew-haters at LPSG

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Okay, I can see your point. I would say in reply, as I said earlier, that Emma/Chris's views fit the profile of a variety of anti-semitism the followers of which have consistently been on the political right. It is a matter of historical fact that they are right-wing views.

Hitler hated Jews and was about as far right as you can go. Stalin hated Jews and was about as far left as you can go. and these days, the anti-Zionism fervor that is spreading around Europe and the world that JustAsking mentioned crosses party lines... but it is definitely embraced wholeheartedly by the political left that wants to attack the politicians in Washington that they see as being overly supportive of Israel. For some strange reason, perhaps as a reaction to the right's misguided war on terror, the left has increasingly embraced Palestine and it's supporters, even if Islamic fundamentalists are diametrically opposed to everything liberalism stands for.

Then there are the crazies and conspiracy nuts. Again, they are on both sides of the political spectrum. But regardless of the history of the Elders of Zion paranoia, the recent crop of 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs tend to lean toward the left, as the whackos on the left who are eager to find any reason to villify Bush and blame him for all that is wrong with the world seem to want to leap at the opportunity to blame him for the 9/11 attacks as well, regardless of how bogus and insane the logic and "evidence" is that links him directly to the attacks.
 

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There is the option to report a post. It's under the information on each poster in a post off to the left at the very bottom. It's a button with an exclamation point.

These posts come as no surprise to me. It's the same crap I heard working in Paris talking to people on the street when they weren't aware that I was a Jew. I found it odd that after talking to a complete stranger while waiting for a bus, sitting at a café, walking on the street, etc. the subject would turn to politics and eventually the complete stranger would say something close to, "Les juifs, les juifs... La monnaie, la monnaie." (the jews, the jews... the money, the money...) It was shortly after the conversation would turn to Jew bashing, I'd politely excuse myself and shut the conversation down in short order.

It was remarkable enough to have happened enough that I still remember being surprised at the frequency of it. I never realized how much some Europeans still hated Jews and how common it actually was. If people spout that kind of crap here in the USA you get laughed at. Over there it's taken as serious conversation for the most part.

I met many Jews there too who would warn me to remain on the down low about my Jewish identity. This was most often said by other Jews who weren't "obviously Jewish." Somehow we end up finding each other... Anyway, it was all very interesting to see such fear in their eyes at being identified as Jewish.

So, I don't know if it's a good thing to ignore these people because it's good to expose this for what it is. It might be a surprise to people on this side of the pond that there are people in Europe who still think this way and feel free to express their viewpoints without fear that someone will tell them that they are terribly messed up. I think it's good that they have exposed themselves on here at LPSG. Now you all know what I've seen. It's not always easy being a Jew in the world. Now you know why we Jews pounce all over anything that smacks of defamation. We are easy targets still in the world.

And it's a good point that Ultra-Leftists tend to be anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian. I experience this daily here in the Bay Area. I have been yelled at by activists who believe that I should be ashamed for wearing my Star of David in Berkeley. Never mind that I've never set foot in Israel. Never mind that I'm in fact, American and not Israeli. Never mind the fact that they ignore that both sides have massive amounts of blood on their hands over there. Never mind the fact that most of us American Jews get embarrassed from time to time by what the Israeli government does to the Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza. And never mind that Israelis themselves are very fractured in how they feel about security, nationalism, terrorism, and Israeli politics. It's always easier to generalize and hate.


OK, rambling rant over...

Good post. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Not only are many Western Europeans Jew-haters (I haven't ventured into Eastern Europe to include them), many left-wing Americans and Canadians are, too. I find that many religious conservatives in the US come to the defense of Jews (unlike other ethnic groups across the globe). The reason: Left-wingers hate Jews because many right-wing Americans support Jews, Israel and its cause.

Liberals pick and choose what religions and races they shall embrace. It's not "all-encompassing." If I hear one person talk impolitely of Jews, I'm fuming (I'm not even Jewish). Wear your Star of David anywhere you want in the Bay Area and tell those hypocrites to be "tolerant" and kiss your ass. A hypocrite is never listened to.

Bro, when liberals do that shit, I want no part of their cause. No more do I want a part of any ultra-conservative cause that promotes hate or intolerance towards any group of people.

Hate abounds everywhere. There's a minority in all of us; just travel to find out.
 

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As someone who is often on the receiving end of hatedul racist diatribes I have to admit some confusion when people mentioned 'left wing, liberal racists.' I'm not saying they don't exist, I just haven't encountered any.

I think tolerance is an American virtue, or at least we think it is. We get concerned when any form of speech is stifled.

However, one of the exceptions we make is for hate speech. We make laws against that. I wish that the TOS did as well.:mad: The hate mongering that has flooded these boards in recent months is disgusting and intolerable. I thank Calbone for making a correlation with the two posters and the rising European anti-semitism.

I also think it is appropriate to poll the members as long as the discussion is productive.

My vote is that the examples Calbone provided are anti-semitic and should not be condoned. I agree whole heartedly!

I know I could put anyone on my ignore list, but I am not trying to protect myself from anti-semitism. I am trying to express my outrage at it and make sure it is not encouraged.
As am I. Sadly, there are days when I think that is the only reason I stay.:mad::redface:

Thanks for the info CalBoner, ill remember those 2 jerks Ill also remember some of these jerks posting here!!!
I was thinking the same thing Monster!

Aren't there any Masons to square up to this as well?
I was puzzled as to how Free Masons got lumped into the same category with Jews?! They aren't even a religion! :confused:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Truer words were never spoken. That's why I think it is important that threads like this exist.
 

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I was puzzled as to how Free Masons got lumped into the same category with Jews?! They aren't even a religion! :confused:
See the article on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or the quotation in my post above. As I said before, the fantasy of a Jewish plot for global domination that has Emma/Chris in its grip dates from the 19th century. The Freemasons are part of the fantasy. Here is another passage from the Wikipedia article:

The text assumes that the reader already believes that the Freemasons are a secret society with a hidden political agenda, and the Protocols purports to demonstrate that this hidden agenda is itself controlled or guided by the 'Elders', a sort of conspiracy theory within a conspiracy theory. In the Protocols, Freemasons and "liberal thinkers" are shown to be mere tools that the Elders will eventually replace with a Jewish theocracy. The Protocols describes a forthcoming "kingdom" and goes into great lengths about how it will be run. Yet even in this kingdom the Elders will avoid direct political control, preferring to assert themselves via usury and manipulation of money. Even the "King of the Jews" himself will be nothing more than a figurehead.

It is, not to put too fine a point on it, seriously fucked-up shit. You would think that no one would take it seriously, but the Protocols continues to enjoy great success around the world, especially in Arab countries, where parts of it are included in history textbooks, as well as in other countries, such as Japan.
 

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Liberal is another term that should not have any negative or offensive connotations connected to it. It's only assholes like Rush and Hannity who keep trying to reposition the word as a pejorative.

Yet, the term "Conservative" means to me "closed minded to any other suggestions" and conveys a sense of "haughtiness". With "Liberal", it sounds like one could be open minded. Open to various viewpoints. I think that depending on the issues some are more liberal than conservative. Vice versa.

I listen to a lot of Conservative Talk Radio on the local AM here in Asheville. I realize that I am not conservative. But very liberal. I listen to hear how people view "liberals".
 

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I read the quotes as being from a person (s) who is right wing. While many left wing people are anti Israeli, they aren't really anti Jewish.

The reasons for the being anti aren't quite the same for left wing and right wing. In general the left wing is not as strident about destroying Jewish people. The extreme right wing would do away with the Jewish people if they had the chance and could get away with it. In general:

Right wing: Anti Jewish
Left wing: Anti Israeli
 

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hey now...

as much of a fruitcake as All4Show is... he does have a point. You didn't have to include right-wing in the subject heading, whether the poster is right-wing or not. Their political leanings have little to nothing to do with what crazy conspiracies they believe in and which people they choose to hate. By sandwiching the term "right-wing" in the heading, you are implying that this term goes hand-in-hand with both lunacy and jew-hating, which I also don't think was fair.

Some how when you say it, it all makes sense. :smile:

Its got to be painful to agree with the fruitcake.
 

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Okay, I can see your point. I would say in reply, as I said earlier, that Emma/Chris's views fit the profile of a variety of anti-semitism the followers of which have consistently been on the political right. It is a matter of historical fact that they are right-wing views. Here, to support my claim, is a passage from the Wikipedia article on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:

The view recounted here is pretty much the Emma/Chris view, and the people who have embraced it have been on the political right (czarists, Nazis, etc.). Once again, I will try to make a point that some people seem bent on misunderstanding: To say that (all or most) the adherents of view X belong on political side Y is not to say that (all or most) people who belong on political side Y are adherents of view X; it implies only that some of them are. I have said that the particular variety of anti-semitic fantasy put forward by Emma/Chris is a right-wing view: that is a matter of historical fact, and to assert it is not to imply that all those with right-wing views accept this or any other anti-semitic fantasy. I am sorry that some people seem bent on reading such an implication into my post, but that seems to me to be their fault and not mine.

Just for clarity, are you saying that communists (Russians) are right wingers?
 

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All4show, I'm sorry, but you have shown yourself, in other threads, to be very intolerant, blasphemous, and hypocritical as the pharisees. It's easy to be as a bleeting sheep, to pass judgment on others. Not so easy to be kind and forgiving. At the end of this life, are you going to look back and see a road traveled with love and caring, or one that is pebbled with the spreading of intolerance and hate?

I challenge you to go to your church and tell them the type of websites you go to, including ones like this. I can guarantee you that many will proclaim you to be sexually immoral, despite that they, too, may also be doing the same.

You, and those Calboner is calling out pass judgement, are playing God, which is the greatest of sins.

There are so many phony Christians, who use God's name, (and read the commandments, my friend, because He does not like His name abused) to spread HATE, PREJUDISM, ANGER, MALICIOUSNESS, PAIN and JUDGEMENT in God's name. When we judge someone in God's name, we are committing BLASPHEMY.

More "Christians" turn others away from God than anyone else. They destroy the tentative faith of others with PHONY behavior and hateful, ugly, vindictiveness.

As Ghandi once said, "I would have been a Christian, if it weren't for Christians."

Satan will spread hate and anger and discourse and separate man from his brother, and will raze our house thru deception. If your heart is filled with feelings not akin to helping and loving your fellow human beings without expectation, as Jesus did, then you are being used and manipulated.

It's easy to be as bleeting sheep, to be mean and judgemental. Not so easy to be kind and forgiving. At the end of this life, are you going to look back and see a road traveled with love, or one that is pebbled with the spreading of intolerance and hate?

I myself have to try and be understanding when it comes to so-called "Christians" who cannot see the damage they do because they are so focused on their own personal agenda. They wouldn't know what their true path is if it was announced in front of them with neon lights. I know that some are simply not emotionally and mentally strong enough to break away from the "cult" Christian mindset.

You know why so many from the Christian church like to condemn homosexuality, abortion, etc., (while ignoring adultery)? Because then they can claim they are trying to fight sin without actually having to go out and volunteer in a shelter, or abuse center, or nursing home, or hospital. They can go to church on Sunday morning, then go have breakfast and tell each other what good Christians they are and ignore that guilty little feeling inside. Pathetic.

Whew......I'll get off my soapbox now......

Wlhoney,

I am not a particularly religious person. As far as sins, I drink a little too much at times and have impure thoughts is about as far as I go. I would not say I am judgmental, but discerning. It seems weird that you would accuse me of what you share in.

I have been able to do many things in my life at a high level, because I can make quick decisions, commit 100% effort, complete it and then move on. I really have a positive attitude most of the time and I am always nice to everyone. I meet former renters that some times owe me a couple of thousand dollars, I just smile and say hi. I am not vindictive or judgmental.

I think with a site like this, people say things and think they will not get called on their incorrect ideas or slams on America or religion or conservatives. I take it upon myself to stick up for that. It reminds of grade school. I went to four different schools from kindergarten to 5th grade. I got in fights all of the time. I never started one, I just stuck up for people picking on my friends.
 

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Just for clarity, are you saying that communists (Russians) are right wingers?
Oh, yes, that's right, All4show, that is exactly what I meant: the czarists in 19th-century Russia were all communists, you see. I mean, after all, they were Russians, and all Russians are communists, therefore all czarists are communists, right? I mean, it's all plain to see, isn't it?
 

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I fail to see the purpose of this thread. Report the user if you think he/she is violating the board somehow and move on. Other users are smart enough to make their own opinions on them without your help.
I have said this SEVERAL TIMES before, but maybe you did not read the posts in which I said it: (1) The posts of Emma and Chris are NOT in violation of the terms of service of LPSG; therefore, there is no point in reporting them. (Someone told me that they have been banned anyway, which is okay with me; but it was not, as far as I can see, justified by the terms of service.) (2) People may encounter some of their posts without having any idea of what they are dealing with.
 

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What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then ... we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
John F. Kennedy
September 14, 1960

Your definition is way too narrow, how else could you be on the wrong side of every issue.

I think there are two kinds of Liberals:

1. I think for me a Liberal is someone that uses their heart instead of their mind. They make decisions without seeing the real consequences of their actions.
2. People that pander to #1.
 

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Hitler hated Jews and was about as far right as you can go. Stalin hated Jews and was about as far left as you can go. and these days, the anti-Zionism fervor that is spreading around Europe and the world that JustAsking mentioned crosses party lines... but it is definitely embraced wholeheartedly by the political left that wants to attack the politicians in Washington that they see as being overly supportive of Israel. For some strange reason, perhaps as a reaction to the right's misguided war on terror, the left has increasingly embraced Palestine and it's supporters, even if Islamic fundamentalists are diametrically opposed to everything liberalism stands for.

NIC,

I think you left out a major element and that is the class warfare of the left (at least in America). They have demonized “the Rich” and due to their hard work and sacrifice the Jews have been extremely successful in our country and they play upon this stereo type.
 

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I read the quotes as being from a person (s) who is right wing. While many left wing people are anti Israeli, they aren't really anti Jewish.

For the troops against the war?



The reasons for the being anti aren't quite the same for left wing and right wing. In general the left wing is not as strident about destroying Jewish people. The extreme right wing would do away with the Jewish people if they had the chance and could get away with it. In general:

Right wing: Anti Jewish
Left wing: Anti Israeli

Or maybe you can't see it due to your intolerence towards conservatives?

The extreme right wing would do away with the Jewish people if they had the chance and could get away with it.

Nice. This is totally bizarre world. Only a very intolerant person would think that way. If you think conservatives actually think that way - well I guess that is why liberals get their ass kicked in business and politics.
 

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Oh, yes, that's right, All4show, that is exactly what I meant: the czarists in 19th-century Russia were all communists, you see. I mean, after all, they were Russians, and all Russians are communists, therefore all czarists are communists, right? I mean, it's all plain to see, isn't it?

It was a question - I asked for clarity. NIC thought you were saying the same thing, I asked for clarity before I called you on it.

BTW, Your boy Stallin killed more Jews than Hitler.
 

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BTW, Your boy Stallin killed more Jews than Hitler.
"My boy Stalin"? Ah, of course: anyone who uses a phrase like "lunatic right-wing Jew-haters" must be a fan of Stalin. Yeah, Stalin, he's my boy—you're right on the money there, All4show. Obviously, I logically committed myself to admiring him as soon as I cast scorn on czarists and nazis. Thank you for pointing out to me the logical consequences of my statements. You are a sharp one, All4show, make no mistake.

Edited to add: You know, All4show, it's funny that you should bend over backwards looking for ways to charge me with having besmirched conservatives, while you show no concern at all for the fact that by making a public display of your idiocy you are doing far more damage to the reputation of conservatives than I could ever do.
 

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"My boy Stalin"? Ah, of course: anyone who uses a phrase like "lunatic right-wing Jew-haters" must be a fan of Stalin. Yeah, Stalin, he's my boy—you're right on the money there, All4show. Obviously, I logically committed myself to admiring him as soon as I cast scorn on czarists and nazis. Thank you for pointing out to me the logical consequences of my statements. You are a sharp one, All4show, make no mistake.

]"Edited to add: You know, All4show, it's funny that you should bend over backwards looking for ways to charge me with having besmirched conservatives

Are you really that dense? I used your post as a metaphor. If you lump this Jew hater in with conservatives, then I lump Stalin in with you. Make sense? I am demonstrating your bias. It is really that hard to get? You seem to take offense to it immediately, thus recognizing the problem, but you see no reason I should take offense to your statement. I just fricking demonstrated it for you plain as day! I wish they had crayons on the internet.

Here endeth the lesson.


"while you show no concern at all for the fact that by making a public display of your idiocy you are doing far more damage to the reputation of conservatives than I could ever do.

I would hate to tear down the high regard you have for conservatives.