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Phil Ayesho

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"Each machine also prints a paper record, and Ireland said voters can check them before they leave the polling place.

So how many of the conspiracy theorist have a printed record we can see as proof of their alleged conspiracy?

Not all machines print a paper record... and, worse, just because it prints a record showing you voted for Obama, does NOT mean that it registers Obama electronically.

IT is not difficult to hack a Diebold machine to say one thing and do another.

This is why I voted by mail in ballot.


I fear the republicans have been in power long enough, and controlled the purchasing of voting machines enough that this election could well be stolen.

Again.

If we retain a Democratic congress there will be investigations...
But it may be impossible with electronic voting machines to verify an election.
 

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Not all machines print a paper record... and, worse, just because it prints a record showing you voted for Obama, does NOT mean that it registers Obama electronically.

IT is not difficult to hack a Diebold machine to say one thing and do another.

This is why I voted by mail in ballot.


I fear the republicans have been in power long enough, and controlled the purchasing of voting machines enough that this election could well be stolen.

Again.

If we retain a Democratic congress there will be investigations...
But it may be impossible with electronic voting machines to verify an election.

The endless alleged conspiracies with you are astounding but still pretending there was an election that was stolen there Phil LOL! :rolleyes:
 

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False. By miscounting the votes, Al Gore lost Florida.

On December 8, 2000, the Florida Supreme Court ordered a manual statewide recount of all ballots cast in Florida. (source; PDF) The Supreme Court interfered in a state-level decision and prevented that recount from ever taking place.

Following the certification of the miscounted ballots, an independent consortium including the New York Times and the Washington Post, as well as the Chicago Tribune and the Wall Street Journal, paid for and conducted their own manual statewide recount.

Had the ballots been counted, Al Gore would have won Florida.

This interactive link, hosted at the New York Times, shows samples of different ballot designs, different actually cast ballots, and gives you the opportunity to perform your own recount.



The Media Consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago to examine 175,010 ballots that were discounted; these ballots contained under-votes (votes with no choice made for president) and over-votes (votes made with more than one choice marked). Their goal was not to deduce who actually won the election but to determine the reliability and accuracy of the systems used for the voting process.

In the aftermath of the election, the first independent recount was conducted by The Miami Herald and USA Today. Counting only "undervotes" (when the vote is not detected by machine), and not considering "overvotes" (when a ballot ends up with more than one indication of a vote, for example both a punch-out and hand-written name, even if both indicating the same candidate) Bush would have won in all legally requested recount scenarios. If overvotes where the intent of the voter was clear were counted, using any consistent standard for 'clear intent of the voter', Bush would have won. This was not requested by either side at the time; the independent recount therefore led to a greater awareness of the issue of 'overvotes'.

Under the recount rules initially requested by Gore, Bush would have won

Gore lost, it's really time you guys got over it.
 

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Under the recount rules initially requested by Gore, Bush would have won

Yes, but not under the recount rules specified by the Florida Supreme Court after reviewing petitions from both sides, and those are the rules that Bush v. Gore interrupted.

If you counted every legal vote -- and shouldn't that be a nonpartisan, small-d-democratic goal? -- the outcome of the election would have been different.

I won't "get over" our Supreme Court undermining the democratic process. They knew this was a bad decision when they wrote it.
 

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Yes, but not under the recount rules specified by the Florida Supreme Court after reviewing petitions from both sides, and those are the rules that Bush v. Gore interrupted.

If you counted every legal vote -- and shouldn't that be a nonpartisan, small-d-democratic goal? -- the outcome of the election would have been different.

I won't "get over" our Supreme Court undermining the democratic process. They knew this was a bad decision when they wrote it.

Every state including Florida has vote count standards agreed upon by both parties. Al Gore lost fair and square and when he did he figured he would cheat the system by suing until they could figure out a way for him to win. He lost and that’s a fact.

Fraud Factor - Who is Trying to Steal the 2000 Presidential Election? Count every vote ...
 

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Unfortunately for Gore, Florida was won handily outside of South Florida. Rednecks for Bush narrowly defeated Gore. Cuban-Americans also swayed the vote in highly populated Miami-Dade county. To this day, the "Bay of Pigs" will haunt Democrats forever. I've heard it mentioned a few times this year already. Some that talk politics have said they'd like to vote Obama and on the face of it, it's taken as genuine, but inevitably any political discussion reverts back to Kennedy & the "Bay of Pigs", these are the younger Cubans also, so it's not a split between those that just remember it by living thru that time, and it's already been passed on to the next generation.
 

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It is, lets say interesting that everytime you hear of one of these cases it is always you select Obama and the vote registers as McCain, never the other way around.

As far as the "paper trail/paper reciept" thing, my state has used touch screens since the 04 election. They are quick and easy to use but DO NOT produce any kind of "receipt" that is provided to the voter or at least present the option of letting the voter choose to get one. Do they produce an internal paper record, something like a cash register does I don't know.