Madonna thoughts of "blowing up the white house"

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Look, bub. I'm not totally without heart. I understand you and your fellows in arms served your country in Iraq and no doubt saw plenty enough horrors, for which you are owed a debt of gratitude for your service. I understand your need to believe it a worthwhile endeavor. To be sure, Hussein was a despot and a dictator. And yes one can argue a number of reasons justifying action against him though it can equally be argued that the war has had a destabilizing effect on the region, the consequences of which are quite evident today.

I get all of that.

The POINT is, Bush and Blair deliberately LIED to their respective legislative bodies and to the public about WMD's for the purposes of getting support for the invasion.

As for the rest of that crap you've spewed, my take on it, my observations on your motives, and conclusions about the mentality to which you subscribe, remains UNCHANGED.

Anyone who comes here to raise baseless questions about Obama's lack of patriotism and Americanism, to the exclusion of ALL others, pretty much shows ME who and WHAT he/she is.

I do understand, and we don't have to agree. Thank you for the kind words.
But I don't see how anyone could say that Bush and Blair deliberately lied: they made reasonable assumptions based on facts available at the time, which unfortunately yielded inaccurate results. 15 nations at the UN came to the same conclusions when presented with the same dossiers. 48 nations supported us with troops or logistics. Pretty much the entire civilized world believed he had nukes (even though he didn't, he was only 2 years from procurement, and many experts have verified that). When the weapons inspectors were kicked out in '98, they had physically seen thousands of chemical weapons and he admitted to having sarin and VX. The reports unfortunately pointed to something that didn't materialize. Sometimes the best intel in the world isn't enough. At the very minimum, the action liberated a country advancing human rights; but its odd how comfortable a people were (so to speak) under a sadistic dictator because those factions have been fighting secretarian violence for thousands of years.

As far as Obama is concerned, I have zero respect for anyone, especially a President when he doesn't face the flag or properly salute it, and it angers me when he won't pay proper respect while the National Anthem is being played. He has vilified our police officers, stuck his nose in law enforcement investigations while trying to make martyrs of criminals and thugs, and some of my friends in the military who have met him in person say his disdain for our service members is almost palpable, regardless of what he says on camera.

 

[185248]

I do understand, and we don't have to agree. Thank you for the kind words.
But I don't see how anyone could say that Bush and Blair deliberately lied: they made reasonable assumptions based on facts available at the time, which unfortunately yielded inaccurate results. 15 nations at the UN came to the same conclusions when presented with the same dossiers. 48 nations supported us with troops or logistics. Pretty much the entire civilized world believed he had nukes (even though he didn't, he was only 2 years from procurement, and many experts have verified that). When the weapons inspectors were kicked out in '98, they had physically seen thousands of chemical weapons and he admitted to having sarin and VX. The reports unfortunately pointed to something that didn't materialize. Sometimes the best intel in the world isn't enough. At the very minimum, the action liberated a country advancing human rights; but its odd how comfortable a people were (so to speak) under a sadistic dictator because those factions have been fighting secretarian violence for thousands of years.

As far as Obama is concerned, I have zero respect for anyone, especially a President when he doesn't face the flag or properly salute it, and it angers me when he won't pay proper respect while the National Anthem is being played. He has vilified our police officers, stuck his nose in law enforcement investigations while trying to make martyrs of criminals and thugs, and some of my friends in the military who have met him in person say his disdain for our service members is almost palpable, regardless of what he says on camera.

Here is some light reading for you, it's probably best if you go to the summary. Or the Inquiry Heads statement.

Basically George Jnr, Tony Blair, and John Howard, intelligence advisers bullshitted and fabricated. By the way, this is the truth. Not some "fake" news story.

You don't invade a country, destabilize a region and vastly increase terrorism around the world because you "THINK" they have WMD.

http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/

 

[b.c.]

As far as Obama is concerned, I have zero respect for anyone, especially a President when he doesn't face the flag or properly salute it, and it angers me when he won't pay proper respect while the National Anthem is being played. He has vilified our police officers, stuck his nose in law enforcement investigations while trying to make martyrs of criminals and thugs, and some of my friends in the military who have met him in person say his disdain for our service members is almost palpable, regardless of what he says on camera.

More right winged spun BULLSHIT... Obama's alleged failure to "pay proper respect," often based upon right winged fake news, doctored evidence (see: Mirror Image), gaffs, and incidents taken out of context, offered up as proof of his "lack of patriotism"??

ALL nit picky trivial ass CONTRIVANCES, dredged up to discredit the man and make him out to be something "UN-AMERICAN."

ALL FURTHER evidence of the deliberate BIAS directed at this man by those of YOUR ilk... the same people who are quick to IGNORE, DEFEND, or DISMISS similar words and actions by those YOU support.

I'd BET you didn't think TRUMP "unpatriotic and un-American" when he made treasonous exhortations to a foreign adversary to further HACK American servers, DID you, champ?

So too, your wholesale characterization of Obama's commentary on issues of concern to minorities in America, that YOU describe as his "trying to make martyrs of criminals and thugs." Criminals and thugs?? Right.

ALL FURTHER evidence of YOUR bias, YOUR lack of understanding and empathy re. such matters.

My "kind words" were expressed out of respect for our men and women in our Armed Forces, for their service, and for the personal sacrifices they've made, bud.

As for you PERSONALLY, thanks for CONFIRMING my conclusions about who you are and WHAT you're all about.

 

[deleted15807]

As far as Obama is concerned, I have zero respect for anyone, especially a President when he doesn't face the flag or properly salute it, ....

And I have zero respect, less than actually, for people that wag the nationalist flag around like it is above God, above faith and above humanity. If you need a flag to define who you are it's pretty much based on a failure to understand human evolution and the only recent appearance of the "nation state" in history.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Here is some light reading for you, it's probably best if you go to the summary. Or the Inquiry Heads statement.

Basically George Jnr, Tony Blair, and John Howard, intelligence advisers bullshitted and fabricated. By the way, this is the truth. Not some "fake" news story.

You don't invade a country, destabilize a region and vastly increase terrorism around the world because you "THINK" they have WMD.

http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/

Thank you. I have skimmed through it but will research in depth. Very valuable information, albeit from a single perspective.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

More right winged spun BULLSHIT... Obama's alleged failure to "pay proper respect," often based upon right winged fake news, doctored evidence (see: Mirror Image), gaffs, and incidents taken out of context, offered up as proof of his "lack of patriotism"??

ALL nit picky trivial ass CONTRIVANCES, dredged up to discredit the man and make him out to be something "UN-AMERICAN."

ALL FURTHER evidence of the deliberate BIAS directed at this man by those of YOUR ilk... the same people who are quick to IGNORE, DEFEND, or DISMISS similar words and actions by those YOU support.

I'd BET you didn't think TRUMP "unpatriotic and un-American" when he made treasonous exhortations to a foreign adversary to further HACK American servers, DID you, champ?

So too, your wholesale characterization of Obama's commentary on issues of concern to minorities in America, that YOU describe as his "trying to make martyrs of criminals and thugs." Criminals and thugs?? Right.

ALL FURTHER evidence of YOUR bias, YOUR lack of understanding and empathy re. such matters.

My "kind words" were expressed out of respect for our men and women in our Armed Forces, for their service, and for the personal sacrifices they've made, bud.

As for you PERSONALLY, thanks for CONFIRMING my conclusions about who you are and WHAT you're all about.

More personal observation.... not "spun BS".

I can say the same "contrivances" and "bias" directed at Trump from those of "your ilk", especially the biased media.

Trump making "treasonous exhortations to a foreign adversary to further 'hack' American servers"? PUH-LEASE. It took someone hacking governmental records to provide the truth none in our press had the cojones to do. Reveal the TRUTH. I'll take hacked truth any day over published lies. Hence I champion what Edward Snowden did.

Obama spoke of "actions" that occurred in police shootings which (he KNEW) were blatantly FALSE, and came to the defense of known criminals that were breaking the law, or trying to kill police officers when force was used against them.... and he wasn't even there, nor did he have the slightest clue of the physical evidence or eye-witness accounts. He even muscled his justice department (of corrupt POS's) to intervene.... and wouldn't you know it, even they couldn't find any evidence against the officers).

Obama is gone.... good riddance. Fuck him. Hopefully his train wreck can be cleaned up.

Frankly I don't give two shits what you think about me personally. I'll lose no sleep over it. I survived 8 years of that fucking jack ass in office, I'm sure you'll do the same with Trump. I've prepared myself for 4-8 years of bitching from whiny people like you anyway.

Carry on ma'am.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

And I have zero respect, less than actually, for people that wag the nationalist flag around like it is above God, above faith and above humanity. If you need a flag to define who you are it's pretty much based on a failure to understand human evolution and the only recent appearance of the "nation state" in history.

I do none of the above, however I DO believe the flag of our nation should be shown proper respect, as well as the men and women who defend it; and anyone who disgraces it is insulting every member of this country, especially those who have served under the flag. For a President to not pay the basic respect to it or our national anthem is pathetic.

 

[deleted15807]

I do none of the above, however I DO believe the flag of our nation should be shown proper respect, as well as the men and women who defend it; and anyone who disgraces it is insulting every member of this country, especially those who have served under the flag. For a President to not pay the basic respect to it or our national anthem is pathetic.

Foot soldiers are required not to challenge authority or second guess orders I guess. Anyway I've said all I have to say to you...ever. And as someone wrote earlier...

You are what you are, and I am done with you.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Foot soldiers are required not to challenge authority or second guess orders I guess. Anyway I've said all I have to say to you...ever. And as someone wrote earlier...

Correct. Obviously you've never been in the military, nor do you have any inkling of military workings/leadership. "Monday morning quarterbacking" must be your specialty.

And thank you kindly. I relish the calm.

 

[b.c.]

More personal observation.... not "spun BS".

I can say the same "contrivances" and "bias" directed at Trump from those of "your ilk", especially the biased media.

Trump making "treasonous exhortations to a foreign adversary to further 'hack' American servers"? PUH-LEASE. It took someone hacking governmental records to provide the truth none in our press had the cojones to do. Reveal the TRUTH. I'll take hacked truth any day over published lies. Hence I champion what Edward Snowden did.

Obama spoke of "actions" that occurred in police shootings which (he KNEW) were blatantly FALSE, and came to the defense of known criminals that were breaking the law, or trying to kill police officers when force was used against them.... and he wasn't even there, nor did he have the slightest clue of the physical evidence or eye-witness accounts. He even muscled his justice department (of corrupt POS's) to intervene.... and wouldn't you know it, even they couldn't find any evidence against the officers).

Obama is gone.... good riddance. Fuck him. Hopefully his train wreck can be cleaned up.

Frankly I don't give two shits what you think about me personally. I'll lose no sleep over it. I survived 8 years of that fucking jack ass in office, I'm sure you'll do the same with Trump. I've prepared myself for 4-8 years of bitching from whiny people like you anyway.

Carry on ma'am.

Your claim of Obama's defense of known criminals is more right winged bullshit that you've embraced for obvious reasons. When in fact all he's tried to do was acknowledge and empathize with those among us who've raised quite valid and legitimate concerns regarding police conduct, racial profiling, disparities in law enforcement and the judicial system, and the all too easy accessibility of firearms.

He empathized with those concerns whether for the family of a young teen followed, cornered and shot dead by some would be vigilante, the families of very young people killed in a school mass shooting, the families of those murdered by a welcomed stranger into their church, or the families of the victims of the Orlando atrocity.

Further Holder and the Justice Department (who YOU call a p.o.s.) found dozens of cities like Ferguson GUILTY of discriminating and acted in violation of people's civil rights, based upon hard evidence of such.

Not that a BIGOT would understand ANY of that or even ACKNOWLEDGE it. And given enough discussion (and ROPE) they always OUT THEMSELVES... every fkng time.

So go ----------------- YOURSELF... ma'am.

 

[b.c.]

Foot soldiers are required not to challenge authority or second guess orders I guess. Anyway I've said all I have to say to you...ever. And as someone wrote earlier...

Yeah, Trump can collude with foreign adversaries, encourage them to hack American servers, and, in a nation of IMMIGRANTS demonize and BAN people based upon what they are (excepting those HE can profit from) and not be "un-American" but Obama forgets to salute a flag decal on an window and he's UN-AMERICAN.

Pathetic ---------------------.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Your claim of Obama's defense of known criminals is more right winged bullshit that you've embraced for obvious reasons. When in fact all he's tried to do was acknowledge and empathize with those among us who've raised quite valid and legitimate concerns regarding police conduct, racial profiling, disparities in law enforcement and the judicial system, and the all too easy accessibility of firearms.

He empathized with those concerns whether for the family of a young teen followed, cornered and shot dead by some would be vigilante, the families of very young people killed in a school mass shooting, the families of those murdered by a welcomed stranger into their church, or the families of the victims of the Orlando atrocity.

Further Holder and the Justice Department (who YOU call a p.o.s.) found dozens of cities like Ferguson GUILTY of discriminating and acted in violation of people's civil rights, based upon hard evidence of such.

Not that a BIGOT would understand ANY of that or even ACKNOWLEDGE it. And given enough discussion (and ROPE) they always OUT THEMSELVES... every fkng time.

So go ----------------- YOURSELF... ma'am.

And not that some racist civilian would ever understand anything about the law or law enforcement. Or gun laws. Or the fact that lawfully stored guns were stolen. Or the fact that a "young teen" was NOT "cornered", but circled back and STALKED the one he attacked, and was justifiably shot and killed (as proven by GPS). Or the fact that ONE armed civilian could have shot that fucker in Orlando (I carry my gun((s)) everywhere because I refuse to be a victim again). Or the fact that NO criminal offense was EVER uncovered in any police use of force by the justice department (although a select few are awaiting judgement in court proceedings, and I WILL stand by the jury's verdict as I know they are privy to FAR more information than any of us will be). Now..... remember Holder was guilty of pushing illegal weapons across the border, one of which was used to murder a US Border Patrol Agent. You shouldn't be so racist.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Yeah, Trump can collude with foreign adversaries, encourage them to hack American servers, and, in a nation of IMMIGRANTS demonize and BAN people based upon what they are (excepting those HE can profit from) and not be "un-American" but Obama forgets to salute a flag decal on an window and he's UN-AMERICAN.

Pathetic ---------------------.

You mean doing business, as a business man, in private entity, with foreign countries? I'm sorry..... there is no trade embargo, and a private business is free to do business with whom they wish as long as they are not trading illegal arms or narcotics.

 

[b.c.]

GFY

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Yeah, Trump can collude with foreign adversaries, encourage them to hack American servers, and, in a nation of IMMIGRANTS demonize and BAN people based upon what they are (excepting those HE can profit from) and not be "un-American" but Obama forgets to salute a flag decal on an window and he's UN-AMERICAN.

Pathetic ---------------------.

You mean something like Hillary selling 20% of our Uranium to Russia? Or Hillary and Obama selling US Military surplus weapons to known terrorist organizations in Syria?

 

[b.c.]

GFY

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Yeah, Trump can collude with foreign adversaries, encourage them to hack American servers, and, in a nation of IMMIGRANTS demonize and BAN people based upon what they are (excepting those HE can profit from) and not be "un-American" but Obama forgets to salute a flag decal on an window and he's UN-AMERICAN.

Pathetic ---------------------.

No Genius..... Him refusing to simply place his hand over his heart while our National Anthem is being played........ or refusing to stand...... or refusing to even acknowledge our flag during honors. It's no earth shattering event, but I do find it particularly disgraceful.

 

[b.c.]

[YAWN] Now you're just being ridiculously boring. Don't you have something better to do?

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

AWE!!!! Don't run away now ladies..... this is just beginning....... So sad. I'd hope the first piece of gear you would ever be issued in the military (in the galactic event you developed cojones) would be a white handkerchief. You'll need it readily available.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

[YAWN] Now you're just being ridiculously boring. Don't you have something better to do?

Likewise.