Male Bashing.

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  1. IntoxicatingToxin

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    Men Are They Really That Bad? - TIME

    This is an interesting article I had to read for my English Comp II class. I know that male-bashing is a problem, I just don't think I realized the degree in which it's been occurring. This article is pretty long, so I won't hold any grudges if you don't want to read it. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts, though. :smile:
     
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    'Bashing' is a fairly easy thing to do, I don't think many even realise they do it sometimes.

    I think there are certain aspects of life where one gender is bashed more than the other, women and driving for example, or men and football.

    I think there is just a bit of a fine line between banter and bashing. It's normal to poke fun every now and again, but when that slips over into bashing there is the risk that some fuel their piss taking with strong emotion...

    ...I think that's where harmless bashing becomes abuse.
     
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    I'm still reading but I like this quote:

    "Men should think more about their situation and their behavior. Women should as well. Both men and women have been oppressed by the other sex, in different ways. And both have been getting away with murder."
     
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    Also like this quote:

    "Feminism suggested that God might be a 'she,' but not that the devil might also be a 'she.' Feminism articulated the shadow side of men and the light side of women. It neglected the shadow side of women and the light side of men." ---Warren Farrell
     
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    Evidently gays aren't men:

    And here I thought my penis counted for something.
     
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    this was funny lol:

    Perhaps American men and women should face the fact that they are hopelessly at odds. Or anyway that they are a little sick of one another for the moment. Time to give gender a rest. Time to stop staring at life through the single monomaniacal lens of gender politics. Put on the other lenses.




    Or if that is not possible, let us split off into two separate republics: one for men, one for women. Their relations with each other would be formal and guarded, their contacts limited and chaperoned. Reproduction and child rearing would be conducted in a safe zone established on neutral territory. Only there would marriage be permitted: the privilege of mating and forming a family would have to be earned on both sides. Homosexuals would have their own separate republic. Bisexuals could apply for tourist visas from time to time.
     
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    Feminism...barf. Sorry, that's about as intelligent as I get with that topic. To me, most feminists don't care about equality...they want superiority and acknowledgment...to me...and I'm probably going to get hit with stones by the feminists for saying this..but all it is, to me, is collaborative misandry.

    How about just humanism or equalism? :confused:
     
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    Ok that article is one of the worst collections of unreadable writings that I've ever seen in my life - those authors are horrible writers!!! It's not even the subject matter, it's the 'style' of writing!!! :tongue:

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    That said, if the point of the article is that men are getting a bad rep from the viewpoint of:

    "Men-are-animals-I-don't-care-if-they're-not-doing -anything-at-the-moment- they're-thinking-about-it-and-they-will-when-they-have- the-chance."

    Then I totally agree. Unfortunately, that's why we are seeing the beta male becoming the newest fad in society. :rolleyes:
     
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    My final thoughts.... IDK

    Males bash females and vice versa.... thats bad.

    However, I certainly don't feel like my sex is being bashed. I don't think I've been bashed (well at least not to my face). I really don't know what most women think about men anyway. Do they really think we're all dogs? that we just want sex? that we're stupid?

    Here what I think should be done. Each woman is a test. Taking a test unprepared is will cause you to fail. So, the woman should teach how to pass the test. Don't let us just guess or pick "C" all the way through. Tell us what can we do to get you, to make you happy, to turn you on, to make you feel good.

    Communication is all we need.
     
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    Amen fellow human. :tongue:
     
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    Hmm...probably didn't help that when my sister was taking woman's studies classes I argued/debated/made frequent comments with/to her all the time that it wasn't a real subject...but a bastardized subject of philosophy, psychology, sociology, anthropology and linguistics bent with the rose-colored glasses of a pompous feminist dogmatic viewpoint.

    It always pissed her off...but I loved doing it. I'm mean.
     
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    That's just astonishing given it was written in 1994. Time should be embarrassed for that article.

    I think that's what feminism is turning into. With each generation the old school feminists and true misandrists like Germaine Greer fall more to the wayside as men and women come to see themselves as simply different sides of the same coin. I do tend to believe women are more conscious of men's needs as men are becoming more aware of women's needs. I don't mean that just sexually either. Women now graduate college more than men do, they do better at all levels of education in general, and they're rising through the ranks of business faster. If women had pay equality, they'd be the primary income producers in most American households. They work in nearly every profession and I don't think anybody my age or younger bats an eye.

    I think women's studies is a worthwhile field as are any studies that focus on traditionally disenfranchised people. History doesn't need war to be written in the interest of the victor. It's important to learn what we may have missed and multiple perspectives are good for any field of study.

    Every teacher and textbook writer has an agenda. What you do with the knowledge and how you present it is what matters.
     
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    As women grow more influential I've remained hopeful that they could provide a perspective more thoughtful than vengeance and spite.
     
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    Well put, cogent and true.
     
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    Feminism is gender equalism.
     
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    You must not visit the Womens' Issues section of this forum very often.
     
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    ***jumps in front of Miss Fleur with my bisexual stone blocking powers, (or is that my "stoned bisexual powers?? Oh well doesn't matter, lol) :biggrin1:***

    If more folks would go by your last line in MANY circumstances, this world would be a much better place!
     
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    No- it isn't- if feminism were gender equalism, then it would not be called feminism.
    In fact feminism is the proactive belief that women are better... the feminine values, aspirations and perspectives are superior. Not even ALL feminine perspectives are given equal weight, many female sex workers and models make a damn good living in porn, and yet the feminist agenda characterizes these women as being "objectified" my some patriarchal control system...

    I don't know how women can be considered to be equal, and yet incapable of determining that taking economic advantage of men's lustful drive is actually the FEMALE controlling the male.

    Feminism reveals its gender inequality by its rhetoric, which denigrates masculine traits and masculine needs, and pre-supposes that women's traits and women's needs are somehow better.

    They say every man is a potential rapist but you never hear them cop to the fact the every woman is a potential shrew.
    Feminism creates a Mythology of a patriarchal society, without regard to the fact that the Patriarchal society is entirely purposed to the support of women and their offspring.
     
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    I don't think male bashing happens all that much. Ok, maybe just after a woman has suffered a breakup :biggrin1:, but I really haven't encountered anyone really bashing men. However, bashing women, that I've encountered so many times I can't keep count. :mad:

    I'm not familiar with Germaine Greer's writing so I can't really say whether she was bashing men. There has been a very small (emphasis on the words VERY SMALL) subset of feminism that hates men (Andrea Dworkin, etc.), but I actually consider that branch to not be true feminists. They believe that biology is destiny, although on one hand they'll say they don't - but then they come back with the same old stereotypes that the anti-feminists use! Sheesh! Plus this subset is generally anti-sex, and often reminds me of the religious right (which is notorious for being anti-woman).

    I also agree that women's studies are valid as are any studies that focus on traditionally disenfranchised people.

    WELL PUT!!! :smile: At least my type of feminism is gender equalism. (And I think that's true for most feminists, regardless of what people like Rush Limbaugh would tell you - well, he's very obviously anti-woman, or really, anti- anyone who isn't a rich, Christian, straight white man. :mad:) My experience is that the people who say that feminists hate men tend to have views of women that would cause reasonable feminists (not the Andrea Dworkin, etc. types but MOST of us) to hate them for being sexist assholes (and I've heard the "Feminists hate men" line from WOMEN too, so it isn't a man thing - geez!)
     
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