Male Nudes In Art And The Small Penis?

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Obviously definitions of masculinity evolve. Why do you think Michelangelo's David, the ideal man, had a small penis? Which i understand was a common aesthetic at the time. Was it just that it had a religious origin and commission and the penis shouldn't even be noticed?

Whereas today's society we view men having huge penises as more masculine and ideal? Although, i would say based on my experience women do not care about size.

Do you think have we evolved? I'm not so sure. I think this is a complicated question with complicated answers but given this is LPSG and people here obviously have a bias, i am curious to your thoughts?

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honestly I really think the true flaccid state of the normal cock is small. most all pictures you see on here or where ever the penis has been jerk ed a few times to get the blood flowing. the vids straight broke guys when they take off thier underware th e first thing they do is give it a few jerks before you actually see it. not every dude walks around with a obvious bulge in thier pants a lot are flat front. some dudes here post pic of thier actual pants down no jerk size but most dudes jerk a few then take a pic with a semi then rock hard. it is a manly thing women and men want that big thick cock because it will bring pleasure but more than likely it will bring pain when the head pounds the cervix or the sphincter is forced to streach out to accommodate a big cock and may cause anal fissures and bleeding. your true flaccid size is when you get out off the cold pool not when you jerk it to the size to impress.
it's not the size but what you do with it the matters.
 
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I hope I'm remembering this right, but a friend of mine who is a classicist explained to me that the ancient Greeks idealized youthful beauty. (This is part of reason behind some of their more let's say notorious sexual practices.) A small penis was also seen as evidence of being intelligent, refined, and elegant. Large penises were seen as animalistic and savage. There were artistic depictions of big dicks, but they usually belonged to comical figures or deities. These attitudes still exist in Western society, but they've been mapped onto ideas about racial stereotypes that were not relevant to ancient Greece.
 
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David is about the beauty of the male form. Here's the outclassed young shepherd who goes up against the giant Goliath and slays him with one shot from his sling. What's oversized is David's right hand which symbolizes the hand of his god Yahweh.

Religionist symbolism aside, a flaccid penis tells nothing about size fully erect.

Me? Sexually I'm not interested in penile size. What matters to me is that David has a world-class ass. :cool:
 
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well i read that his hands, feet and head were oversized because he was originally intended to be on top of a church or building. This was a depth of perception thing. But due to finances this never came to fruition. And he was placed in a square, poised looking towards a rival city which then took on a different implication as more of a warning to rivals.


David is about the beauty of the male form. Here's the outclassed young shepherd who goes up against the giant Goliath and slays him with one shot from his sling. What's oversized is David's right hand which symbolizes the hand of his god Yahweh.

Religionist symbolism aside, a flaccid penis tells nothing about size fully erect.

Me? Sexually I'm not interested in penile size. What matters to me is that David has a world-class ass. :cool:
 

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right. this to me is interesting. how things have evolved if at all today.

i would agree with you on the small penis = intelligence. which to me tracks with what i experience in the real world. Women i encounter say they don't care about size. they want a guy for his personality / intelligence. (although i would argue that depending on what city you live in, money = personality) and today, i've found that i often am recruited by couples as a "bull" which i guess also tracks to an extent in that couples may want to spice up their love life with a more animalistic experience.

Further what's interesting is that David represents the little guy conquering the Goliath. Obviously the size of his penis had nothing to do with his power, abilities or masculinity in ancient eyes. Which I find interesting. I'm just curious how we get from views of art and David to that of Porn where in this fake reality, big dicks seem to be viewed as great and powerful. when in the real world women do not care at all. you know?

so maybe nothing has changed?

good points. thank you.


I hope I'm remembering this right, but a friend of mine who is a classicist explained to me that the ancient Greeks idealized youthful beauty. (This is part of reason behind some of their more let's say notorious sexual practices.) A small penis was also seen as evidence of being intelligent, refined, and elegant. Large penises were seen as animalistic and savage. There were artistic depictions of big dicks, but they usually belonged to comical figures or deities. These attitudes still exist in Western society, but they've been mapped onto ideas about racial stereotypes that were not relevant to ancient Greece.
 
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right. i agree. also, just i would think he/ it symbolizes the the perfect male, which doesn't include sexuality. or if it does convey sexuality, sexuality is certainly not about having a huge penis, which seems to be opposite of where we are in today's society?
thank you for the post!

Although I cannot read the mind of the creator, Michelangelo, I have always thought that the statue was to convey youth with its inherent sense of innocence and beauty.

A large penis would have suggested sexuality.
 

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To my knowledge, human penis size has increased as years have gone on. Remember, we are the mammals that have the largest penises compared to our body proportions.

Just like men used to be much shorter, as evidence has been seen in bed frames from medieval times compared to bed frames seen now. It seems that as male average height has increased, so too has male average penis size. It’s quite possible that an average erect male penis from these modern times might be considered to be large if that man were to travel back to 1000 CE or earlier.

Granted, Michelangelo’s David is 500 years old, not 1000. So either 500 years still makes a big difference in human evolution, Michelangelo was invoking in his art the ideals of the times when David supposedly lived, or perhaps both.
 
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{Referenced, in part, from jason_els: Biblical Cock}

Re David: Michelangelo adhered to the same design principles of Greek classical sculpture. The ancient Greek's ideal, and most admired, depiction of male beauty was of an androgynous youth with a small more youthful penis. Large penises were seen as indiscreet and overly animal. Satyrs, (half man, half goat) were depicted with enormous genitalia because they were always ready for sex and would copulate with anything that moved. They were seen as comical figures whose lust always led them into trouble. The small penis was the mark of a refined and intelligent man, one whose sexual urges didn't overpower him.
 
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right! great points. i agree.

one thing i've learned about my superficial investigation of art was that it was often defined by the audience. for example, if the pope commissioned something, the subject would have a biblical context and subject matter paying tribute to the celestial. however, with enlightenment, art scenes started to shift for a more secular and merchant based audience, eschewing biblical connotations.

That said, what is today's audience? the interesting thing about all this to me is... with METOO and what is now considered the embodiment of masculinity as it seems to have been all branded "toxic." Women still in my experience, do not care about size and seem to respond to intelligence and wealth in a man as far as defining what masculinity means to them. But that is just my experience as a straight male.

However in porn, the embodiment of masculinity is a huge penis -- gay or straight. but i guess you could make an argument that porn, no matter what your bend, is a mostly male audience.

{Referenced, in part, from jason_els: Biblical Cock}

Re David: Michelangelo adhered to the same design principles of Greek classical sculpture. The ancient Greek's ideal, and most admired, depiction of male beauty was of an androgynous youth with a small more youthful penis. Large penises were seen as indiscreet and overly animal. Satyrs, (half man, half goat) were depicted with enormous genitalia because they were always ready for sex and would copulate with anything that moved. They were seen as comical figures whose lust always led them into trouble. The small penis was the mark of a refined and intelligent man, one whose sexual urges didn't overpower him.
 

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Large penises were seen as indiscreet and overly animal. Satyrs, (half man, half goat) were depicted with enormous genitalia because they were always ready for sex and would copulate with anything that moved. They were seen as comical figures whose lust always led them into trouble. The small penis was the mark of a refined and intelligent man, one whose sexual urges didn't overpower him.
So by these ideals, then any depiction of Zeus should have him porting around a penis the size of the Empire State Building.
 

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not quite. that's my entire point. consider your audience first? if you're a man, you would probably say that. but women do not measure ideal masculinity by penis size.


So by these ideals, then any depiction of Zeus should have him porting around a penis the size of the Empire State Building.