Male Sexual Behaviour

[Lordpendragon]

I have started a new thread about male sexual behaviour because this is actually what my previous thread "Gay and Ungay promiscuity" was really about.

I have changed the title because I have a much better understanding of the question now and because the term promiscuity is too loaded with moral judgements.

The premise is that male sexual behaviour within a gay lifestyle is a truer repesentation of male sexual behaviour than male sexual behaviour within a Het lifestyle.

I put this forward for discussion for several reasons.

As Tygrr so rightly points out, "a guy is a guy is a guy........"

Two gay guys are more likely to come to the sex table with the same agendas.

Het guys have a normalcy that they are expected to adhere to which gay guy's do not. Though there must be those who are trying to enforce one - please resist at all costs.

Het guys have to express their sexual behaviour with women, and women are not only not guys with different biological considerations, but also carry a different set of cultural expectation baggage as to "acceptable nice girl" behaviour.

I would also suggest that this may be another reason why the guardians of our moral bondage don't like (fear perhaps) the gay lifestyle. They don't like sexually liberated Het men and women either - and there are some of us.

 

[Ed69]

Ok that went over my head,whats the the question in cave man speak?

 

[MattMatt]

With no moral or ethical boundaries man is only an animal.
Man is above animals because we can reason and think.
Maintaining (by thinking and reasoning) our levels of society ( and its rules)give us our ethical boundaries between man and animal and enforces the fact that we are~, indeed above them.

 

[fortiesfun]

On many aspects of this Pendragon and I come from different perspectives, but on this area we agree: Liberated sexuality is not immorality. We're not killing kittens here, but giving each other pleasure.

 

[Gillette]

With no moral or ethical boundaries man is only an animal.
Man is above animals because we can reason and think.
Maintaining (by thinking and reasoning) our levels of society ( and its rules)give us our ethical boundaries between man and animal and enforces the fact that we are~, indeed above them.

Not clear on why this pertains to sex, although I'm inclined to agree with this applied to other areas of the human condition.

As far as male sexuality goes I think it pertains more to frequency than anything else.

 

[Ethyl]

I would also suggest that this may be another reason why the guardians of our moral bondage don't like (fear perhaps) the gay lifestyle. They don't like sexually liberated Het men and women either - and there are some of us.

You may have noticed how those in official capacities who oppose gay marriage do their damnedest to play the supposed promiscuity card. Oldest trick in the book: paint a picture of immorality and win supporters. Fear is a very useful tool. It's difficult to control those who are sexually liberated because they tend to live fearlessly.

 

[Gisella]

Well, I think that even when 'the guardian of moral' and dictates nice girl behaves in many socyties and cultures, for me the difference is mostly biological...

Men and women are just different and even if we had green light to bevahe as we please we most of as women would not behave like a men, is just 'impossible' in my view...after some one here, I think was a doc, explained in a post that males have to ejaculate often bcause while they produce lots of sperm but them dont have in their body a place to contain all that production than they have to spill it and keep spilling it plus the males amygdala is twice the size of women's, and studies of womens brains are recent and brains in pregnant women shrink 8% bcause of hormones and will normalize 6 months after delivery the baby.. ...as I watched 20/20 last night I got lots of cientific info.

"Dr. Brizendine explains that the male amygdala, which also controls sexual thought, is twice as large as that of females. Fueled by testosterone, it triggers the typical teenage male brain to think about sex every 52 seconds, compared to a few times a day for teen girls.

Dr. Brizendine insists that despite the "hard wiring" of our brain chemistry, we do have free will. Clearly, not all women and men are the same. But for many the science is undeniable: powerful hormones and the complex circuitry of the brain do shape our behavior and, therefore, our destiny."

And seems that 30% of women have low libido and its 6x the numbers of males with low libido...biggest complain of men is that they do not get enough sex from women...seems tha women 'can't' have sex like men..most males look to a body part and that is it and women have to 'work' more to get ready..

"Women need a context in which to be sexual," Berman said. "She has to feel good about the situation, even about the surroundings, in order to let go and really enjoy the sexual scenario."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/

For me is just natural that men behaves more 'to the point' with another male. They have the same brain, hormones ,sex and etc.

Than even if there are not restrictions as 'how to behave' from society the brain and hormonaly wired would have a strong say. But if the no restrain rules were to be the norm women would still 'have to conform' with males ideias as how things would be...and for me I would no choose any extremes but my own desires as a woman.

We already can see what some men want from women if we look into porn..and most of that is not appetizing to me. I have my own ideias and imagination as how supose to be too.:biggrin1:

 

[baseball99]

Well, I think that even when 'the guardian of moral' and dictates nice girl behaves in many socyties and cultures, for me the difference is mostly biological...

Men and women are just different and even if we had green light to bevahe as we please we most of as women would not behave like a men, is just 'impossible' in my view...after some one here, I think was a doc, explained in a post that males have to ejaculate often bcause while they produce lots of sperm but them dont have in their body a place to contain all that production than they have to spill it and keep spilling it plus the males amygdala is twice the size of women's, and studies of womens brains are recent and brains in pregnant women shrink 8% bcause of hormones and will normalize 6 months after delivery the baby.. ...as I watched 20/20 last night I got lots of cientific info.

"Dr. Brizendine explains that the male amygdala, which also controls sexual thought, is twice as large as that of females. Fueled by testosterone, it triggers the typical teenage male brain to think about sex every 52 seconds, compared to a few times a day for teen girls.

Dr. Brizendine insists that despite the "hard wiring" of our brain chemistry, we do have free will. Clearly, not all women and men are the same. But for many the science is undeniable: powerful hormones and the complex circuitry of the brain do shape our behavior and, therefore, our destiny."

And seems that 30% of women have low libido and its 6x the numbers of males with low libido...biggest complain of men is that they do not get enough sex from women...seems tha women 'can't' have sex like men..most males look to a body part and that is it and women have to 'work' more to get ready..

"Women need a context in which to be sexual," Berman said. "She has to feel good about the situation, even about the surroundings, in order to let go and really enjoy the sexual scenario."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/

For me is just natural that men behaves more 'to the point' with another male. They have the same brain, hormones ,sex and etc.

Than even if there are not restrictions as 'how to behave' from society the brain and hormonaly wired would have a strong say. But if the no restrain rules were to be the norm women would still 'have to conform' with males ideias as how things would be...and for me I would no choose any extremes but my own desires as a woman.

We already can see what some men want from women if we look into porn..and most of that is not appetizing to me. I have my own ideias and imagination as how supose to be too.:biggrin1:

I watched that too.....and it was highly accurate in many respects and very interesting, however, i could not get over this feeling that she had a hidden agenda with it also. Like some of her comments were blatantly empowering to women while attemtping to make men seem more like cave-men.....the other thing that irritated me was with emotion. Women have a larger part of their brain light up during emotional stimuli when viewed on functional MRI and men hav a smaller area leading to the conclusion that women are better able to read emotion than men.....its faulty reasoning bc no one knows if mens brains might actually just be more efficient than womens.....any note it was real interesting tho

 

[Gisella]

I watched that too.....and it was highly accurate in many respects and very interesting, however, i could not get over this feeling that she had a hidden agenda with it also. Like some of her comments were blatantly empowering to women while attemtping to make men seem more like cave-men.....the other thing that irritated me was with emotion. Women have a larger part of their brain light up during emotional stimuli when viewed on functional MRI and men hav a smaller area leading to the conclusion that women are better able to read emotion than men.....its faulty reasoning bc no one knows if mens brains might actually just be more efficient than womens.....any note it was real interesting tho

Baseball..I think you are talking when she was with the teens ??? And the 2years 'gap' maturity in that age...that later men will pick up with women??? About the impulse controls (amygdala) and judgment (prefrontal cortex) that girls have earlier than guys...yeh, she said women are superior in brain and men in sex brain or something like that: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2504460&page=2

Yeh, you may be right about agenda but she is a scentist too...and study on female brain is in early stages...than many profissionals would get all info and analize it without agendas...but still is very fascinating! Oh, I wish I could study this kind of stuff too...

I dont see males as cave men but just different and we have to understand each other the best we possibily can.

About the 20.000 words a day for women and 7.000 to men Im not surprised..:biggrin1: but that a pregnant female have her brains shrink bcause of hormones until 6 months after delivery! And for this motive many women dont think about sex and focus just in the baby!!!

Plus the high adult levels of hormones masculine and feminine being fabricated inside babies bodies are amazing!!!


I want to be a scientist !!!!

 

[baseball99]

That was part of it but there were a lot of other things too.....for example they did not talk about how testosterone gives men a primal urge to protect "his".....meaning his wife, gf, child, etc. They only talked about the mothers role in that.

Dont get me wrong, i thought it was really interesting and most of it was very accurate but some of it just seemed a little stretched. They also gave the impression that only human females are ones who need to be wooed or impressed in the animal kingdom.....which obviously is not true, its common pretty much among all mammals and most higher species in general.

Basically what I got from it is that women are higher beings and men are there for sex.....it really seemed kinda womanist to me bc they left out a lot of information for people to come to that conclusion on their own but they directed you towards it. Highly interesting, i just thought they really should have had more than 1 researcher for the most part

 

[joyboytoy79]

With no moral or ethical boundaries man is only an animal.
Man is above animals because we can reason and think.
Maintaining (by thinking and reasoning) our levels of society ( and its rules)give us our ethical boundaries between man and animal and enforces the fact that we are~, indeed above them.

My dear, I hate to be argumentative (blatant lie), but i'm going to be anyway. Humans are indeed animals. One need look only to Elephants and Whales, with their complex social structures to see that thinking and reasoning are not "human" traits, but animal traits that are expressed in different levels by all members of the kingdom Animalia.

What i see your reasoning saying is that if we remove a code of "sexual ethics" from our social fabric, society will degenerate and humans will become "animals." I offer that this is simply not true. Over the course of history it is shown that most societies have had vastly different definitions of sexual ethics, resulting not in an "animalistic" state, but simply in a different variety of society.

In short, i find your line of reasoning to be rather opressive, and poorly thought through, ignoring key biological and anthropological evidences to the contrary.

 

[baseball99]

My dear, I hate to be argumentative (blatant lie), but i'm going to be anyway. Humans are indeed animals. One need look only to Elephants and Whales, with their complex social structures to see that thinking and reasoning are not "human" traits, but animal traits that are expressed in different levels by all members of the kingdom Animalia.

What i see your reasoning saying is that if we remove a code of "sexual ethics" from our social fabric, society will degenerate and humans will become "animals." I offer that this is simply not true. Over the course of history it is shown that most societies have had vastly different definitions of sexual ethics, resulting not in an "animalistic" state, but simply in a different variety of society.

In short, i find your line of reasoning to be rather opressive, and poorly thought through, ignoring key biological and anthropological evidences to the contrary.

I remember one lecturer telling us once the difference between us and other animals is we are able to question why we are here.....We also have 3 step logic, which other animals dont have.....and our logic is not always by survival motivation. For example a monkey may grab a stick and get termites to eat. Or an animal may get sticks to build a nest.....all for survival

 

[joyboytoy79]

I remember one lecturer telling us once the difference between us and other animals is we are able to question why we are here.....We also have 3 step logic, which other animals dont have.....and our logic is not always by survival motivation. For example a monkey may grab a stick and get termites to eat. Or an animal may get sticks to build a nest.....all for survival

Well, that doesn't explain why coco speaks sign language (and makes up her own words). There is no evidence that dolphins, elephants and other intelligent animals do not question their reason for existance. We simply do not understand their "languages." Speaking of languages, members of the same species of dolphin, when growing up in highly separated regions of the world will have completely different vocal patterns. But if they are introduced to one another, after a considerable amount of time, they will merge their vocal patterns, much the same as two humans raised with different langauge backgrounds.

 

[headbang8]

Lord Penny,

You're totally right. Men are accelerators, women are brakes.

Just my experience from both sides of the fence.

hb8

 

[baseball99]

Well, that doesn't explain why coco speaks sign language (and makes up her own words). There is no evidence that dolphins, elephants and other intelligent animals do not question their reason for existance. We simply do not understand their "languages." Speaking of languages, members of the same species of dolphin, when growing up in highly separated regions of the world will have completely different vocal patterns. But if they are introduced to one another, after a considerable amount of time, they will merge their vocal patterns, much the same as two humans raised with different langauge backgrounds.

of course.....however, i'll just point out that when studied using a functional MRI and asked higher cognitive processes.....such as "what is our purpose", parts of different cortical regions of the brain light up in humans that do not exist or are nowhere near as developed in other primates compared to humans

 

[Gisella]

That was part of it but there were a lot of other things too.....for example they did not talk about how testosterone gives men a primal urge to protect "his".....meaning his wife, gf, child, etc. They only talked about the mothers role in that.

Dont get me wrong, i thought it was really interesting and most of it was very accurate but some of it just seemed a little stretched. They also gave the impression that only human females are ones who need to be wooed or impressed in the animal kingdom.....which obviously is not true, its common pretty much among all mammals and most higher species in general.

Basically what I got from it is that women are higher beings and men are there for sex.....it really seemed kinda womanist to me bc they left out a lot of information for people to come to that conclusion on their own but they directed you towards it. Highly interesting, i just thought they really should have had more than 1 researcher for the most part

I do understand Baseball 99...but the female brain research I think is kind of new and maybe they have not many experts on it... and they have tendency to call experts that wrote books about it to talk..I think...and I do agree with you that we need more different experts oppinions, neutral and with no agenda and etc...:wink:

But at the same time until not long ago only male brain was studied, as the brain exemple (for both of genders!!!)...and now 'some' want to compensate lack of info about women and giving too much wonderpower to female brains ???

And about Ben Barres the neurobiologist (in the same program) that was a woman and now is a male says that he was taken serious or more serious when he became a man..http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2494452&page=1

Even that Harvard director said that women lack in sciences and blabla...is maybe very true that female researchers are not taking serious as males ? I dont know and have no ideia what happens in research profession... but if its true I can understand when a woman researcher have an opportunity to let her studies to be know, she may goes a bit 'overboard in praises for women'...of course its not right, they are scientists and must be neutral (I think)..but not long ago "frigid' was a very common way to describe many women...and until not long ago most docs and authorities were males... at least some of them were dictating their agendas too...

And people...another thing have you thought that the researchers from pharmaceutical after made the viagra blue pill, they may be messing up hetero peoples lives???? Just imagine..by the time a male will eally need a blue pill he would be in his 50's confused: ) and by this same time his female partner will be menopausal and lacking sexual desire and others things...just imagine the combination: men performing like teen and women like a grandma?!

And the hormone therapy they give to women have many serious side effects to women bodies. Than women have to choose between use them and get some very serious side effects latter.

Well, its just not make sense that 30% (?) of woman have low libido - and the first 'blue pill' were made for males to enjoy themselves later in life and its being bought like crazy by even men who has not real need for it, yet!!!

There is something very wrong here...

 

[emu]

pardon while i some up the point of this thread as I see it.

* there is a clear difference in the sexual bahavior of men and women.
* women will tend to seek out an emotional connection in sex
* men will tend to seek out a physical connection in sex
* because society's standards and our own personal beliefs extend into the bedroom, a degree of a conscious effort in compromise against men's natural inclination of physical connection without emotional commitment has to be practiced in having sex with women.

the irony is that many women will not be willing to give up a degree of their natural inclination of having that emotional connection in sex, utlimately making room for both partners to be unsatisfied in their sexual relationships.

it has nothing to do with morals or ethics, but everything to do with brain chemistry based on hormones.

equal rights you say...?

E

 

[baseball99]

I do understand Baseball 99...but the female brain research I think is kind of new and maybe they have not many experts on it... and they have tendency to call experts that wrote books about it to talk..I think...and I do agree with you that we need more different experts oppinions, neutral and with no agenda and etc...:wink:

But at the same time until not long ago only male brain was studied, as the brain exemple (for both of genders!!!)...and now 'some' want to compensate lack of info about women and giving too much wonderpower to female brains ???

And about Ben Barres the neurobiologist (in the same program) that was a woman and now is a male says that he was taken serious or more serious when he became a man..http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2494452&page=1

Even that Harvard director said that women lack in sciences and blabla...is maybe very true that female researchers are not taking serious as males ? I dont know and have no ideia what happens in research profession... but if its true I can understand when a woman researcher have an opportunity to let her studies to be know, she may goes a bit 'overboard in praises for women'...of course its not right, they are scientists and must be neutral (I think)..but not long ago "frigid' was a very common way to describe many women...and until not long ago most docs and authorities were males... at least some of them were dictating their agendas too...

And people...another thing have you thought that the researchers from pharmaceutical after made the viagra blue pill, they may be messing up hetero peoples lives???? Just imagine..by the time a male will eally need a blue pill he would be in his 50's confused: ) and by this same time his female partner will be menopausal and lacking sexual desire and others things...just imagine the combination: men performing like teen and women like a grandma?!

And the hormone therapy they give to women have many serious side effects to women bodies. Than women have to choose between use them and get some very serious side effects latter.

Well, its just not make sense that 30% (?) of woman have low libido - and the first 'blue pill' were made for males to enjoy themselves later in life and its being bought like crazy by even men who has not real need for it, yet!!!

There is something very wrong here...

I agree with alot that you're saying.....maybe its bc im young and so much has changed in the past 20 years but at university the majority of my professors were female.....all my research was conducted under a female advisor. Are men more likely to succeed in research? Well again, on the show they made a statement without really looking into it. Maybe the bias is not as great as they lead you to believe but men, due to the high levels of testosterone, are more likely to be aggressive and seek the competition than women who tend to collaborate?

Now dont get me wrong, I have brilliant friends, male and female and the only true difference i see between them is one has a bulge in the pants and the other in the shirt

 

[MattMatt]

On many aspects of this Pendragon and I come from different perspectives, but on this area we agree: Liberated sexuality is not immorality. We're not killing kittens here, but giving each other pleasure.

I wasn't implying that I think there is anything wrong with sexual freedom, only that a large amount of people fear that our civilzed society is falling apart little by little , with each change we make, and this is where I think the fear comes from.

 

[Gisella]

I agree with alot that you're saying.....maybe its bc im young and so much has changed in the past 20 years but at university the majority of my professors were female.....all my research was conducted under a female advisor. Are men more likely to succeed in research? Well again, on the show they made a statement without really looking into it. Maybe the bias is not as great as they lead you to believe but men, due to the high levels of testosterone, are more likely to be aggressive and seek the competition than women who tend to collaborate?

Now dont get me wrong, I have brilliant friends, male and female and the only true difference i see between them is one has a bulge in the pants and the other in the shirt

:biggrin1: Yeh..it may be...:wink:

Baseball99, you look like you do understand about microscopic matters (I have a dream to buy one some day..:tongue: )

Curiosity: When a woman is carring a Y male baby, when already comes with bit of testosterone or as growing up inside mother, the ovariun gives the first dosages of testosterones to him? How this happens? How much testosterone a female has inside her ovaries? Does it levels varieties between women to women? How this Y baby keep growing inside a person that is XX ???

And when a woman is carring an girl XX does her hormones goes up to the roof because everything is female???

Wow..the body is amazing!