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[coopturn]

Got any numbers to back up that statement?
Compare the number of Muslims and the number of terrorists to the number of Christians and the number of those who committed unChristian acts. Prove what you say.

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm

 

[coopturn]

And the terrorists have been condemned(just not to your satisfaction).

LOL

 

[StormfrontFL]

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm

Nowhere in there does it give the percentage of Muslim terrorists to Muslims. So for you to say that the number of Muslim terrorists represents a large number is just you making things up.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Laughter.....the go to when you have no defense.

 

[marinera]

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Anti-balaka says it has always fought defensively, a justification that I don't doubt Muslim CAR groups also claim.
I don't know who's right or wrong, or more right or more wrong, but this does seem a very, very particular situation with few implications valid beyond the borders of the CAR.
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Yeah when the culprits are christians it is always ' a very, very particular situation' whatever they do, but when it is another religion it is just another example of a general case. How 'fighting defensively' merries with killing people who don't want to convert to your religion and eating them?

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I don't understand the Rwanda reference. Were there significant religious differences between the Tutsis and the Hutus? It was my understanding that there weren't.

Catholic Church adhered to, and spread, guess what: the white supremacy ideology. Like in south america, the Holy Church has endorsed the extermination of the Huti majority by the Tutsi minority, because Tutsi look more similar to Europeans.

 

[coopturn]

Nowhere in there does it give the percentage of Muslim terrorists to Muslims. So for you to say that the number of Muslim terrorists represents a large number is just you making things up.

Oh boy, you're desperate now. Just because I didn't provide you with information in the terms YOU specified doesn't mitigate its validity which confirms my claim. Did you even read the report from the State Department?

"The GTD staff compiled the Statistical Annex dataset to include violent acts carried out by non-state actors that meet all of the GTD inclusion criteria:

1. The violent act was aimed at attaining a political, economic, religious, or social goal;"

"While the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) was responsible for 31% fewer terrorist attacks in Iraq, the number of attacks carried out by ISIL in Syria increased by 39%. The geographic reach of attacks by ISIL and its affiliates expanded as several existing terrorist groups pledged allegiance to ISIL. In addition to Boko Haram in West Africa, the most active of these ISIL branches were located in Afghanistan/Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen."

ISIL, let's see, what group do they claim affiliation with and in whose name do they commit these acts? Hmmm, the Lutherans? Doesnt sound right. Which group could it be? The Moonies?

Boko Haram, what about these clowns? Which religious group to they claim? The Assemblies of God? No, I haven't noticed the Bokos speaking in tongues. Oh I know, how about the Hare Krishnas? Hmmm, doesn't seem right either.

"Information about perpetrator groups was reported for two-thirds of all attacks in Afghanistan in 2015 (67%). Nearly all of these (95%) were attributed to the Taliban."

The Taliban. Aren't they with the Scientologists? Well, that doesn't sound right either.

By the way, please list the Christian affiliated groups on the State Department's list.

 

[coopturn]

Laughter.....the go to when you have no defense.

As opposed to those who make personal attacks?

 

[deleted37010]

Except that Islam has a disproportionately larger share of alleged followers committing acts of violence and terror.

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm

this citation does not support your hypothesis

 

[deleted37010]

Oh boy, you're desperate now. Just because I didn't provide you with information in the terms YOU specified doesn't mitigate its validity which confirms my claim. Did you even read the report from the State Department?

"The GTD staff compiled the Statistical Annex dataset to include violent acts carried out by non-state actors that meet all of the GTD inclusion criteria:

1. The violent act was aimed at attaining a political, economic, religious, or social goal;"

"While the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) was responsible for 31% fewer terrorist attacks in Iraq, the number of attacks carried out by ISIL in Syria increased by 39%. The geographic reach of attacks by ISIL and its affiliates expanded as several existing terrorist groups pledged allegiance to ISIL. In addition to Boko Haram in West Africa, the most active of these ISIL branches were located in Afghanistan/Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen."

ISIL, let's see, what group do they claim affiliation with and in whose name do they commit these acts? Hmmm, the Lutherans? Doesnt sound right. Which group could it be? The Moonies?

Boko Haram, what about these clowns? Which religious group to they claim? The Assemblies of God? No, I haven't noticed the Bokos speaking in tongues. Oh I know, how about the Hare Krishnas? Hmmm, doesn't seem right either.

"Information about perpetrator groups was reported for two-thirds of all attacks in Afghanistan in 2015 (67%). Nearly all of these (95%) were attributed to the Taliban."

The Taliban. Aren't they with the Scientologists? Well, that doesn't sound right either.

By the way, please list the Christian affiliated groups on the State Department's list.

please show where this page states the percentage of terrorists attacks which were religious vs. political vs. economic... versus... say.....claimed religious but gained economically/politically
these are terrorist organizations.... who gain politically and economically under the guise of a self-serving interpretation of islam...the rest of the world does not define them as representing or having any valid relationship with true islam...... and their social mores are based on their geographical location... not religious ideology...

 

[marinera]

Oh boy, you're desperate now. Just because I didn't provide you with information in the terms YOU specified doesn't mitigate its validity which confirms my claim. Did you even read the report from the State Department?

"The GTD staff compiled the Statistical Annex dataset to include violent acts carried out by non-state actors that meet all of the GTD inclusion criteria:

1. The violent act was aimed at attaining a political, economic, religious, or social goal;"

"While the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) was responsible for 31% fewer terrorist attacks in Iraq, the number of attacks carried out by ISIL in Syria increased by 39%....

How does your source classify the bombing of Sirya and Afganistan by Trump? What religion is Donald Trump?

 

[deleted37010]

Some of you apologists need to take a step back and ask yourself, When did a President of the USA or a Prime Minister of the UK or any other European country for that matter, target a music venue where fifteen year old kids were having fun?

all the time.... we kill innocent people all around the world....routinely.... and it is referred to as collateral damage... never as children playing or a wedding or funeral filled with innocent people
all over the world......every time we kill innocent people... we create hearts and minds that hate us and want revenge...

Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target
U.S. drone strikes have killed scores of civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Yeah when the culprits are christians it is always ' a very, very particular situation' whatever they do, but when it is another religion it is just another example of a general case. How 'fighting defensively' merries with killing people who don't want to convert to your religion and eating them?

But who were the culprits here? Was it the Antibalaka militia, who took arms against the Séléka, a coalition that had overthrown the Christian leader of a country that is more than 70 percent Christian? Who attacked villages all over the southern part of the country, killed many people, and looted the treasury while in power?
Seems to me that turning against such a force in a natural human response, particularly if you are part of a threatened majority, though I concede that eating your opponents is an indignity too far.
But this was not an essentially religious conflict — and the overall situation was, as I said, very, very particular. It wasn't about "killing people who don't want to convert to your religion."
The Séléka were not especially Islamist and the Antibalakas were united more culturally and politically than religiously.
Many religious leaders on both sides sheltered people from the other side fleeing the violence.
There's no hint of one side having a God-given, millennia-long agenda to impose its will for all time on an opposing group. Not a hint of a religious duty being involved — a duty that, if satisfied, would bring unexampled eternal happiness to humanity. Not a hint that a perpetrator killed in an attempt to fulfil this duty would immediately enter paradise.

Catholic Church adhered to, and spread, guess what: the white supremacy ideology. Like in south america, the Holy Church has endorsed the extermination of the Huti majority by the Tutsi minority, because Tutsi look more similar to Europeans.

Any suggestion that Tutsis look more European than Hutus is shaky at best. In the idealization of the two groups, yes, Tutsis have thinner noses and higher cheekbones, but many many people in each group don't resemble the physical idealization of the group to which they belong. The two groups are similar physically, socially, even religiously.
I would like you to provide a link proving that "the Holy Church has endorsed the extermination of the Huti minority by the Tutsi minority, because Tutsi look more similar to Europeans."
Speaking of religion, many of the instigators of the genocide were Hutu Roman Catholic priests calling down the hounds of hell upon the Tutsis — and clearly not for their religion, because both sides were overwhelmingly Christian.

 

[deleted37010]

Speaking of religion, many of the instigators of the genocide were Hutu Roman Catholic priests calling down the hounds of hell upon the Tutsis — and clearly not for their religion, because both sides were overwhelmingly Christian.

christianity was perverted or subverted... even as those who wore the cloth rejected everything christ stood for by their word/actions....

the taliban, boko haram, and ISIL are also perverting/subverting true islam... betraying the true islam for social, political and economic gain

 

[marinera]

But who were the culprits here? Was it the Antibalaka militia, who took arms against the Séléka, a coalition that had overthrown the Christian leader of a country that is more than 70 percent Christian...

And wasn't a christian named George W. Bush overthrowing a Muslim leader of a country mostly islamic? Weren't the christians Obama and Blair overthrowing the Muslim Gaddaffi? Where are you going with that? That anti-balaka did the good thing killing and eating muslisms that didn't want to become christians? That the Catholic church did right endorsing genocide? And how about the christian terrorists in India?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/717775.stm

You are applying two weights and two measures showing not much a different perspective than those of islamic extremists.

 

[deleted37010]

And yet the leaders of the Civil Rights movement which saw an end to Jim Crow were largely Christian ministers.

that statement largely ignores the larger white southern christian opposition and their resulting white christian response to the civil rights movement
george wallace? that was 30% of the population that voted for him........jesus and segregation hand in hand
but let's move ahead to more recent times and christian schools like bob jones university which wouldn't admit blacks because of their fundamentalist interpretation of the bible.... until the supreme court ruled it illegal...

and who could forget the largest white protestant denomination... the southern baptist... the southern baptist did not apologize for their role in slavery or segregation until around the year 2000... and even then the southern baptist convention was only able to pass it as a non-binding resolution

 

[coopturn]

How does your source classify the bombing of Sirya and Afganistan by Trump? What religion is Donald Trump?

In the name of which religious group did he claim to be carrying out the bombing? I guess I missed that.

 

[coopturn]

that statement largely ignores the larger white southern christian opposition and their resulting white christian response to the civil rights movement
george wallace? that was 30% of the population that voted for him........jesus and segregation hand in hand
but let's move ahead to more recent times and christian schools like bob jones university which wouldn't admit blacks because of their fundamentalist interpretation of the bible.... until the supreme court ruled it illegal...

and who could forget the largest white protestant denomination... the southern baptist... the southern baptist did not apologize for their role in slavery or segregation until around the year 2000... and even then the southern baptist convention was only able to pass it as a non-binding resolution

False equivalences all.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

christianity was perverted or subverted... even as those who wore the cloth rejected everything christ stood for by their word/actions....

I would say that's true (really rather obvious), but ....

the taliban, boko haram, and ISIL are also perverting/subverting true islam... betraying the true islam for social, political and economic gain

... it is by no means as obvious that the extremist Muslim groups are betraying true Islam. They can make an excellent case that they are the truest Muslims, closest to the mindset of Muhammad.
Many, many groups pursue lethal, zero-sum games against their opponents.
But Islamic extremists do so with a difference: Their violence is ordained and sanctified by a deity whose holy book enjoins them to pursue the Lesser Jihad.
Sure, there are social, political and historical factors that work on them much as they do on other people.
But the jihadist appeal is an additional factor that cannot be explained away.
We need to remember how much we are like the jihadist — but no more than we need to remember how we are, ideologically, eschatologically, in quite another camp.
I'm speaking only of jihadis, not of the vastly larger numbers of 'ordinary' Muslims who, like us, only want to get on with living in this world.

 

[coopturn]

please show where this page states the percentage of terrorists attacks which were religious vs. political vs. economic... versus... say.....claimed religious but gained economically/politically
these are terrorist organizations.... who gain politically and economically under the guise of a self-serving interpretation of islam...the rest of the world does not define them as representing or having any valid relationship with true islam...... and their social mores are based on their geographical location... not religious ideology...

Well they all shout Allah hu Akbar when they're committing these terrorist acts, don't they? I don't read where any of them are praising the economy while doing this. But you make a somewhat valid point in that unlike Christianity or most other religions, Islam is not only a religion but a political/legal construct as well.

 

[deleted37010]

In the name of which religious group did he claim to be carrying out the bombing? I guess I missed that.

here's an example.... witnessed countless times
groups of catholic and protestant men in northern ireland throwing rocks and bottles at catholic or protestant elementary school aged children in the name of their religious group.... in no way does that mean those people who were claiming to be protestant or catholic as they were throwing the bottles and rocks actually represented anything truly protestant or truly catholic... if they are throwing rocks and bottles at children... they're not really acting christian.... we all accept that... even though the catholic and protestant men were doing it in the name of either being catholic or protestant!
do the same with the taliban, boko haram, or ISIL
they can claim to be islamic... but that doesn't mean they are...