mandatory gratuity ?

[Flashy]

Though I was prepared to say that Belguim is strictly north of France, my friend Mr Google Maps informs me that Calais and Dunkirk are both north and west of Brussels.

bingo.

Lille is north of half of Belgium...

and many parts of southern france clearly have Spain to the west of them.


MB, i think you are in a Dali Globe, my surrealist friend! :biggrin1::wink:

 

[ManlyBanisters]

Though I was prepared to say that Belguim is strictly north of France, my friend Mr Google Maps informs me that Calais and Dunkirk are both north and west of Brussels.

Nord Pas de Calais is west of much of Belgium - Nord Pas de Calais is not France. France is France. To travel to Belgium from the vast majority of France one has to go north. Likewise you cannot truthfully say that your hand is in your nose just because your finger is.

and many parts of southern france clearly have Spain to the west of them.

If you travel WEST from nearly all of France you hit the fucking ocean - not Spain, you div.

I can't believe I'm even debating this - think what you like, Flashy, you usually do. Perhaps that's got something to do with why waiters are so rude to you.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

is spain no longer west of france and belgium no longer east? Has the continent shifted!?!?!!?

(don't you dare say they are southwest and northeast) :biggrin1:

I would certainly put Belgium to the north, rather than the northeast, of France.
But whadevuh ...

In other news: What do you do when you are tipping for a very inexpensive meal?
Every once in a while I start thinking that I haven't seen my cardiologist recently ... in fact, ever.
So I betake myself to a nearby greasy spoon where I have eggs over easy, velly clisp bacon, home fries (that are delicious but, I have it on good authority, actually deep fried), a bagel, and peanut butter. With a bottomless cup of coffee.
All comes to $5.07, including tax.
I leave $7.00.
That means I give $1.93 for the tip.
Which works out to 38 percent.
If I left just $1.00, that would be 19.7 percent, so effectively 20 percent. But that seems too low, considering that your server does as much as s/he might have done serving a meal that cost twice as much.
Am I being too generous?
Or should the xx percent 'rule' be shelved when a meal is very inexpensive?

 

[BigDallasDick8x6]

I would certainly put Belgium to the north, rather than the northeast, of France.
But whadevuh ...

In other news: What do you do when you are tipping for a very inexpensive meal?
Every once in a while I start thinking that I haven't seen my cardiologist recently ... in fact, ever.
So I betake myself to a nearby greasy spoon where I have eggs over easy, velly clisp bacon, home fries (that are delicious but, I have it on good authority, actually deep fried), a bagel, and peanut butter. With a bottomless cup of coffee.
All comes to $5.07, including tax.
I leave $7.00.
That means I give $1.93 for the tip.
Which works out to 38 percent.
If I left just $1.00, that would be 19.7 percent, so effectively 20 percent. But that seems too low, considering that your server does as much as s/he might have done serving a meal that cost twice as much.
Am I being too generous?
Or should the xx percent 'rule' be shelved when a meal is very inexpensive?

I agree -- if the meal is very cheap 20% isn't enough.

 

[Channelwood]

Only one side of the story given in the article. The students make some claims of impossibly poor service and an additional 5% surcharge added on to the posted 18% mandatory tip. But then, the owner calls for their arrest over $16? Clearly someone who doesn't know anything about the thousands of dollars he'll lose over bad publicity.

Seems like nothing close to the whole story is being revealed here. I always tip big because I know the crappy wages servers get. The only time I don't is when the food is exhorbitantly expensive -- say at the "hot, new" sushi place where a 15% tip would be the equivalent of a 25% tip at my regular place. Accordingly if the food is very cheaply priced, the server gets a much bigger tip. I used to go to a small cafe that had a great little continental breakfast for just a couple bucks ($3.50-$4 with espresso) ... server would get a 50-60% tip.

More going on here than meets the eye. Would you want to have an arrest on your record over $16? (Especially when you could put it on a credit card and then dispute the charge?) I smell something fishy, and it's not just the wings.




(Seems the above two posters hit my point just before I did ... yes, the % rule should be modified by the price of the meal. Consider the service given, not the price of the food.)

 

[Flashy]

Nord Pas de Calais is west of much of Belgium - Nord Pas de Calais is not France. France is France. To travel to Belgium from the vast majority of France one has to go north. Likewise you cannot truthfully say that your hand is in your nose just because your finger is.

I can't believe I'm even debating this - think what you like, Flashy, you usually do. Perhaps that's got something to do with why waiters are so rude to you.

I can't believe you are even debating this either, not to mention insulting me twice over nothing.

i really do not understand your reasons for being such a prick in this thread, MB. I really do not know why you are going all Stronzo on me now, for nothing....at first i thought you were just being funny and joking around...but are you seriously being this pedantic and pissy?

Spain, is, in fact, South, South-west, and some parts are simply west of some cities in france, such as Cannes, and Toulon.

Belgium is, in fact, North, Northeast, and in some places merely east from certain places in France or is Lille no longer in france now?


if you cannot take a simple joke, when i said do you live in the same france that is west of Belgium but east of Spain, then i am sorry.

i should have been more accurate with regards to the exact latitudes of France so as not to run afoul of your sense of direction.

and perhaps because you can be so rude, you do not notice that same behavior in the waiters, since you are both acting in your normal way.

you need to relax.


oh and Nord Pas de Calais *IS* France. It is a region of France.

stop being such a snot...just because it has some separate culture historically, and a distinct minority and 2 smaller languages, does not mean it is not part of France. the majority there speaks French and it is one of the largest regions by populace *IN FRANCE*

 

[Bbucko]

I would certainly put Belgium to the north, rather than the northeast, of France.
But whadevuh ...

In other news: What do you do when you are tipping for a very inexpensive meal?
Every once in a while I start thinking that I haven't seen my cardiologist recently ... in fact, ever.
So I betake myself to a nearby greasy spoon where I have eggs over easy, velly clisp bacon, home fries (that are delicious but, I have it on good authority, actually deep fried), a bagel, and peanut butter. With a bottomless cup of coffee.
All comes to $5.07, including tax.
I leave $7.00.
That means I give $1.93 for the tip.
Which works out to 38 percent.
If I left just $1.00, that would be 19.7 percent, so effectively 20 percent. But that seems too low, considering that your server does as much as s/he might have done serving a meal that cost twice as much.
Am I being too generous?
Or should the xx percent 'rule' be shelved when a meal is very inexpensive?

It would be unspeakably parsimonious to leave 15% on such small tabs, IMO. But I always round way up to as much as 50% in such cases.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

It would be unspeakably parsimonious to leave 15% on such small tabs, IMO. But I always round way up to as much as 50% in such cases.

I think we're singing from the same menu.

 

[Serial Kisser]

I was under the impression that gratuity is never mandatory. It certainly isn't at my job. If a table wants to adjust the tip to pay less when it's added on, they can do so. All they have to do is talk to the manager. I work at a major chain too.

 

[cdarro]

The fact that your boss underpays you does not obligate me to make up the difference. Surly attitude, indifference, talking on your cellphone, slow service when the bar/restaurant is not busy, or, (as I live in a college town full of little college princesses) expecting a big tip merely by gracing us with your presence will not endear you to most customers. Having said all that, you'd just about have to throw up on my table to not get at least a 15% tip. But don't ever ask me "do you need your change?". I'll need every cent back.

 

[uncfun22]

Waitresses ( I think) get treated like shit daily and also get the short end of the stick when it comes to getting tipped. The fact of the matter is they don't make shit for hourly wage and the tips are what they live on and if you can't afford to leave at least 17% then keep your cheap ass at home and make your own food!

 

[Gillette]

The fact of the matter is they don't make shit for hourly wage

The fact that your boss underpays you does not obligate me to make up the difference.

QFT

There are a lot of people in jobs where they get significantly more shit, fewer perks and tips aren't expected. Ever tip your grocery cashier?

and the tips are what they live on

If the tips are what they live on then that's what they should be working for. If the customer is their primary source of income perhaps they should put some effort into making them happy.

and if you can't afford to leave at least 17% then keep your cheap ass at home and make your own food!

It's not about what one can afford or about being cheap. A gratuity is a show of gratitude for the service provided. If the service is shit the level of gratitude and the accompanying gratuity will be proportional.