Many college degrees are useless

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College is not a waste of time! Between undergrad and postgrad I did 6 years in university and I don't really make much use of anything I studied in that time in the sense people here are describing.

However - in those six years I read more, saw more, did more, fucked more, laighed more, cried more, experienced more, drank (snorted, smoked, etc.) more, helped more, grew more, learned more and lived more than I had before or have since.

We often do not get what we expected from the actual bits of paper we walk away with - but that isn't the point.

Third level education is vital and a wonderful thing - anyone who does not aspire to it is selling themselves short.
I couldn't agree more, I have two bachelors degrees, I don't work in either of the fields I studied, but I am a better person for having studied them.
 

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learning for learning's sake is the only reason to go to college. i was a liberal arts major.

Amen brother!

I guess I have to modify my view, especially since I took some classes after leaving the "programmed" round of classes. Going to take the classes you want and need to accomplish what you want to? Well worth it. going because it is going to offer you a "career"? Not so wise in the modern day.
 

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And the government wonders why the unemployment system is so backed up with "qualified and overqualified" people.

Tell me about it! This is what I'm dealing with right now. I'm either underqualified or overqualified!

My first college degree was in psychology, and I have never used it. The only thing I've used it for at all is that it's a bachelor's degree and so it's gotten me test-scoring jobs. My second degree (an associate's degree) was in computer information systems, and I have worked in that field and am hoping to get back into it. The problem with IT jobs though is that they are all so specialized, and they want super-expert-level programmers in 4 or 5 different programming languages and other experience as well - and they WILL fire you if you don't have the skill level at expert level just yet!

I'd kind of like to go back to Indiana University for a Folklore/Ethnomusicology degree, because of my love for world music, but I can't afford it, plus I've now been spoiled by Texas weather! :smile: (If they had the same degree at UT, I might consider it, but as far as I know, IU is the only college that offers an entire degree program - all the way up to Ph.D - in Ethnomusicology!
 

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If college was free learning for learning sakes wouldn't be so bad. Its another to find yourself having to pay back loans of 30,000-100,000 or more on top of making a living if you can't find a decent paying job. Around here stanford grads are working as clerks. If you want a good job basically you have to major in something like engineering/accounting or be so smart you end up at a top business or law school. Its also known male enrollment has dropped for years while female enrollment has increased.
science majors ask how does it work
engineering majors ask how can i built one
accounting majors ask how much does it cost
liberal art majors { most of us } ask " do you want fries with that ?"
 

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I'm getting a degree in theatre tech, with a minor in history. I might not find a job in my chosen field, but I already have a job working at a local train museum. I got training in a variety of useful skills, such as carpentry, sewing, painting, and working as a team.

I can mend my own clothing, put up shelves, and rewire my bathroom. Not that I wouldn't be able to learn these things on my own, but my degree is heavy on the practical knowledge, and most of it isn't specific to my craft. I've heard a lot of people putting down my Fine Arts degree, but while I may not have specialization in the sciences or in business, I can adapt to just about any situation or job.

So I may not ever work in theatre, but was my college degree worthless? Not in the slightest!
 

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I'm getting a degree in theatre tech, with a minor in history. I might not find a job in my chosen field, but I already have a job working at a local train museum. I got training in a variety of useful skills, such as carpentry, sewing, painting, and working as a team.

I can mend my own clothing, put up shelves, and rewire my bathroom. Not that I wouldn't be able to learn these things on my own, but my degree is heavy on the practical knowledge, and most of it isn't specific to my craft. I've heard a lot of people putting down my Fine Arts degree, but while I may not have specialization in the sciences or in business, I can adapt to just about any situation or job.

So I may not ever work in theatre, but was my college degree worthless? Not in the slightest!

A very good friend of mine got hers from Mizzou and is working for some real heavy hitters in the business. You should do well. The arts and sports tend to do well out of the traditional 4 year college gambit.
 

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It depends of the person luck and mayor . College is a waste of time and money to persons that spend 4-6 years and not found a job related to their field after graduation.

To the persons thats actually found jobs related to their fields isnt a waste of time and money .
 

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To get a bachelors I need math credits. And to get that, I probably need a couple of months of tutoring...

I write/teach English... and I'm one of the best there is... why the HELL do I have to know math?!!!!

#($*)(#_Q! !!!!
 

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To get a bachelors I need math credits. And to get that, I probably need a couple of months of tutoring...

I write/teach English... and I'm one of the best there is... why the HELL do I have to know math?!!!!

#($*)(#_Q! !!!!

All mayors have courses that we willnt use in our lives.
 

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Well, I'm a college professor. I think education is the most important profession: Without it all others would not exist. Education is not intended as a job ticket. Some professional degrees do have saleable value, e.g. medicine, law, engineering, but many courses have a different purpose, eg, philosophy, language, art, history, mathematics, etc., are solely for development of the mind. Please don't ridicule your education.
 

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Well, I'm a college professor. I think education is the most important profession: Without it all others would not exist. Education is not intended as a job ticket. Some professional degrees do have saleable value, e.g. medicine, law, engineering, but many courses have a different purpose, eg, philosophy, language, art, history, mathematics, etc., are solely for development of the mind. Please don't ridicule your education.

Go to college to study medicine, law engineering etc isnt a waste of time because the probability to find jobs in thoses fields are very hight almost 100% . To me is very sad to spend 4-6 years in bachellor even master degrees with the expensive that is those studies and not find a job of what we studied after graduation . That happen to many people in most mayors and or because many places ask for experience in the fields . I dont redicule my education is that i go to college to study and to get a decent job .
I dont go to college only for a sake of learning.
The problem with almost all colleges is that the orientation system sucks and many students not have a clue of what mayor to study .
Many choose mayors that dont have demand in a labor market.
 

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A lot of kids go to college just because their parents want them to. It's a waste if they pick a bad major and don't get good grades. Doing well in engineering or science majors shows that you are capable of learning complicated things.

As far as the expense, if someone is unsure about college I suggest going to a community college or local college and living at home for a few years to cut costs. Or they can go part time for a few years.
The problem with almost all colleges is that the orientation system sucks and many students not have a clue of what mayor to study .
Many choose mayors that dont have demand in a labor market.
And some of them can't even spell major.:tongue:
 

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For most people, college is a waste of time and money. In my time as an undergrad, I saw far too many people who had no business being there. When I went to grad school, I studied via correspondence and never set foot on the campus of the school I went to (a decent sized, fairly well rated (at the time) state associated university), so I'm not too sure about what folks in grad school are like.

If you look at college as a bar with a $40K cover charge (or whatever tuition your college charges), then you're in the wrong place. I think Will in "Good Will Hunting" was on to something here.

If you love learning, you'll find ways to learn. You don't need college, all you need is curiosity and the drive to learn. For example, I have a lot of interest in history and literature. I didn't major in either field. I constantly track down books and articles to learn more about those subjects.

I do work in my field of study. I have a BS (bullshit) and a MS (more shit) in my chosen field. I worked on my BS full time while holding a variety of part time jobs (some related to my field of study). I worked full time while working on my MS part time. I decided against a Ph.D (piled higher and deeper) because it's not worth the time or the money required to get it. Again, I can do a better job by picking up books and articles.
 

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I'm troubled by the thread's title because it plays right into the vein of anti-intellectualism so prevalent in the USA today: That knowledge for its own sake isn't marketable and is therefore useless. College degrees are about education and knowledge, not job training.

While some degrees certainly have more immediately marketable value than others, I'd shudder at the prospect of living in a world populated only by engineers, lawyers, programmers, accountants and doctors.
 

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The diploma looks nice on the wall and in ones portfolio... but life experiences count for more. It is just the degree gives one access even if the graduate is a epsilon minus...

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I don't think that anybody can argue that learning is bad for you. Or that the educational system is reponsible for our standard of living. What i object to is the cost of college and how colleges or college in general is marketed. The impression in our society is that if you earn a college degree you will find a good paying job. Families empty their bank accounts senting their children to college based on this impression. The fact is , except for a few occupations , there are far too many college graduates for college level jobs. I've heard tom bokaw when he was at NBC stating how important a college degree was in finding a job , i heard a woman on nightly business report state keep writing those big tuition checks because it will pay off and periodically you heard stories on how much more college grads earn than anybody else. I think many if not most people go to college because they think once thev've graduated they will find a good paying job. If college was cheaper and people understood that a college degree in terms of finding a job may be worthless then that be a better situation. I've had friends who graduated with degrees in history or english tell me employers and agencies laughed at them when they went looking for a job. One of the founders of askjeeves recently married an escort. Not just any escort but a stanford law school grad. I believe she either couldn't find a high paying legal position if she found any at all { law firms typically only hire the top ten percent from a place like stanford of harvard , the top ones don't even recruit anywhere else}. What she did have were student loans from her days at stanford law totalling i believe almost 150,000 or 200,000. If she had gotten her undergrad degree from stanford the same way the loans probably would have approached 500,000. How many people can afford to pay off , when they're young , a 200,000 loan ? She assumed a law firm would hire her starting her off at over 100,000 a year. That didn't happen. She was staggering under her debt so she become a prostitute. I ran across a woman in sf who had an mba in accounting who was doing the same thing. If you go to college as a financial decison rather than an intellectual decision and then if there's no return on your investment { because that is what it is then } then its a real bad investment sort of like investing in enron. For some reason , over the past few years , i don't know how , males have realized this and their enrollment has been declining while female enrollment has increased { but for them they have the options of office work and teaching }. Some colleges are now 70 percent female which ain't too bad in other ways.