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Marine's father ordered to pay Westboro's court costs

Discussion in 'Politics' started by edonline, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. edonline

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    Marine's father ordered to pay Westboro's court costs - baltimoresun.com

    Marine's father ordered to pay Westboro's court costs


    Church members had conducted anti-gay protests at the funeral of Marine who died in Iraq


    From Baltimore Sun staff and wire reports
    5:43 p.m. EDT, March 29, 2010

    Lawyers for the father of a Marine who died in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters say a court has ordered him to pay the protesters' appeal costs.

    On Friday, the Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered that Albert Snyder of York, Pa., pay costs associated with Fred Phelps' appeal. Phelps is the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, which conducted protests at the funeral of Snyder's son, Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, in Westminster in 2006.

    Lawyers for Snyder say the Court of Appeals has ordered him to pay $16,510.80 to Phelps for costs relating to the appeal, despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to review the Court of Appeals' decision.

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    Fred Phelps and his group are unspeakable. Nothing more can be said.
     
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    wonder if that was the Obama appointee who came up with that ruling
     
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    Probably...The USMC should station Marines armed with M-16s at these funerals and give them the order to flip the switch to full auto and unload on Phelps and his cronies if they show up.
     
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    Dude please drink your ass into a coma. Only you(and perhaps Trinsanity)would try to blame the President for this.
     
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    Unfuckingbelievable.
     
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    Kind of a useless article that does not give any background, presumably the father interfered with the protesters, or sued Westboro.
     
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    I would too if it was at a funeral for a loved one of mine.
     
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    In a similar vein to the donations link above a student added this to youtube which is an excellent pro-active idea.
     
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    The latter.

    Here's a couple paragraphs on the matter:

    The family of Lance Corporal Matthew Snyder, US Marine Corps, has begun this civil lawsuit* against Mr. Phelps and certain members of the so-called Westboro Baptist Church to bring an end to the reign of terror and abuse that they inflicted upon the grieving families of US service members killed in defense of our nation. Using innocent children to deliver their twisted message of hatred and fear, the defendants in this suit have sought to attack the memory of our departed heroes, to strip their loved ones of their dignity, and to use abuse and intimidation as a tool for preventing surviving family members from reaching closure over their loss.

    It is the sincere hope of Mr. Al Snyder, Matthew’s father, that this suit will spark similar legal actions against Mr. Phelps wherever he seeks to inflict harm upon the memory of our heroes and their families. If you feel strongly that such actions should be stopped, please consider a donation to help offset the legal expenses of bringing this suit.
     
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    phelps is indeed a dispicable, selfrighteous prideful oaf. everything that the bible is not about.
     
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    Does everything have to include Obama in it? This story has nothing to do with him, and yet you have to bring it up. I guess this is what you do when you're a miserable fuck who can't come out of the closet and wants gay people to "act straight" all of the time.
     
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    The way they (Westboro) exploit children at their protests is disgusting - they should all be arrested for child abuse.
     
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    Thanks, Flameboy! That's the most useful video link I've found on this big pee pee site. That kid is WAY smart! :smile: Yeah, solicit money for LGBT causes where ever Phelps and his hate mongers show up. Then send the money to the LGBT group and a "thank you" note to Phelps for attracting folks, helping you collect the donations. WAY smart! :smile:


    And thanks tallpaguy for the link to the Snyder family fund. :biggrin1:
     
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    and Susan Sarandon as well, along with all the celebs who drag their brats along to protests that the parents are in support of. Parents are constantly doing this and media clowns ask the 3 or 5 year old a question and the brainwashed brat mumbles whatever they were told to say.



    Back on topic-

    Phelps and his flock are despicable, to put it nicely. Hopefully, Mr.Snyder and his attorney can get this latest ruling overturned.
     
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    You are a goddamn idiot. You are gonna put Phelps on one side and put Sarandon's activism FOR PEACE on the other? There is absolutely NO comparsion and the fact that you would make it signifies your lack of compassion and general douchebaggery.

    My parents took me to rallies as a child. How dare you insinuate that children that are taken to political rallies are somehow brainwashed.

    If the parents are liberal, there is a good chance that the children are too. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree brainiac. Liberal people are loving and caring individuals who foster the same environment in their home for their children. My father is a liberal and never shoved anything down my throat.

    Blame Dickens for my liberal mindset. Apparently you got a different message out of reading Dickens.

    Maybe you should re-read them?

    Are there no prisons. Are there no workhouses?

    Gimme a break.

    As a side note, the appellate judge should be castrated.
     
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    Why, Tripod! How dare you respond to Northland that way?! After all, he's been published in The Atlantic Monthly five times (if you consider placing a classified ad as being published). :smile:
     
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    I didn't word my comment very well. I was referring to the way the children are being raised to hate. I don't put Susan Sarandon et al in the same group as Westboro because they are rallying for peace and social justice. Plus there is a big difference between taking your children to rallies with you, and sticking them out on the front lawn of a church carrying big 'God Hates Fags' signs. I have no problem with parents (famous or not) raising their children to believe in acceptance and tolerance of others, but when children are being taught to be intolerant, hateful and downright bigoted then stuck in front of television cameras to repeat the chants their parents taught them, that to me is abuse. I have never seen Susan Sarandon do that to her children. Yes, she takes them to rallies but when the media clowns want a soundbite they go to her, not her children. Plus I've never seen her disrupting a funeral.
     
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    No, mr.HTT, I was refering to bringing children to protests-any protest- and getting them to spout off whatever mom and dad told them to say.

    Additionally, I kept that statement apart from the matter of the Phelps and Snyder matter.


    Now, moving on to your utter crap about the children being libs, like the parents, that doesn't always run true. Often the children are have been so slanted towards one side, that when they see the other side, they not only run to it, they embrace it.

    Oh, and castration of the judge? What purpose does that serve? It isn't going to get the opinion changed.


    I have compassion for Mr.Snyder and his family and anyone who has suffered at from the actions of Phelps and Westboro. In yout immature tirade about your saintly parents bringing you to rallies, you left off my comments about Phelps and my hopes for Mr.Snyder and his attorney to be able to get this decision overturned.

     
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    I think Northland was expressing an objection to children being brought along to public rallies where personal politics are being expressed, period. I'd have to agree with that sentiment. Some rallies can get ugly or downright dangerous, it really isn't a place for children regardless of which side of an issue you stand on.

    I also consider the presence of children at these things to be a cheap ploy right up there with politicians kissing babies. Children are innocent and good, we have children, ergo we're the good guys. It's as deplorable as sending children door to door with copies of the watchtower.

    Hire a fucking babysitter and fight whatever battle you choose alone. Don't put your kid in the cross-hairs.
     
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    This coming from a self proclaimed Trillionaire with a 13 inch penis who believes it to be small... http://www.lpsg.org/71729-middle-age-unusually-large-fortunately.html
     
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    Northland, what does one have to do with the other?
     
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    I'm still wondering how these people are still alive...
     
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    The lovely Phelps Clan descended on my hometown once. I live in a well known Gay Resort town. He came in the winter. EVERY house in town put an equal rights sign in their windows and tied a yellow ribbon to something in their yard. The Phelps clan was assigned an area where they could stage their protest. The town had it surrounded by bright orange snow fencing. It was quite pathetic to watch Phelps spew his anti-gay vitriol while the residents of my town basically ignored him. They got back on their yellow school bus and got out of dodge as fast as they could. I think it is fairly likely that another court will throw out the order to pay Phelps Legal bills.
     
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    The inititial legal action was instigated by Mr.Snyder- rightfully so, I believe.

    It dealt with Phelps and his daughters and members of Westboro. The protesters initially followed the letter of the law, notified police, filed forms/applications etc. and then hit the funeral trail.


    Snyder, by admission, didn't see the protesters at the funeral (grief can do that, it keeps us from seeing what is going on, he may have seen people, but had no idea why they were there). Snyder first became aware in news footage later, after the services were over.

    Additionally Phelps' daughters, launched or continued an Internet campaign which again sullied the reputation and life of the younger, now deceased, Snyder.

    The court procedings were dated back to June 2006, first argued, December of 2008, decision reached September of 2009.

    That was, Albert Snyder, Plaintiff-Appellee; v. Fred Phelps, Sr.; Westboro Baptist Church, Inc.; Rebekah A. Phelps-Davis; Shirley L. Phelps-Roper, Defendants-Appellants, and Jane Doe; John Doe, Jr., Defendants-
    (document #08-1026 filed with the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit)

    For full details, a google document search describes the entire nature of the suit by Snyder and a ruling by the members of the court.
     
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    Perhaps...what's disconcerting about this order is that SCOTUS has already agreed to review the 4th Circuit's decision, firmly placing the matter in the "unresolved" state. Given this, I just cannot understand the Circuit court's subsequent decision to impose such an order on either of the litigants.
     
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    MLB is fair game, he came at me, bringing up my past, I served the same back. Mine at least can be verified.

    (since you failed to respond to the PM I sent asking which post specifically you meant, I can only presume this is what you are speaking of)
     
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    Well then you are an idiot too.
     
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    Look, I dislike Phelps' group as much as anyone- I hated him BEFORE the straight media realized he existed (ie, when he started picketing straight servicemen's funerals)...but he has the right to his hateful views. He was sued, won, and is entitled to compensation for his legal costs. That is a basic tenet of the American judicial system. I disagree with his opinions, but I will fight for his right to hold them. Having said all of that, if I had the money to spare, I would surely donate money to help this dude cover the costs.
     
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