Marriage equality. Where do You stand?

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If someone does not agree, does that make them a hater ? I do not agree with same sex marriage on a federal level. This, my friend, is a state issue. Some states allow, some states do not. Do not equate an opinion that is not the same as yours as hate.
 

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I cannot understand what all the fuss is about. Who really cares if same sex couples want to get married? Doesn't do me any harm. Why should it be anyone else's business? It is hardly the case that heterosexual marriage is seen as sacrosanct these days, just listen to that Bruno Mars song where it's all about let's get married and if you change your mind tomorrow we can break up.

Make it legal and let people get on with their lives.
 
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I don't think marriage is an issue that should be regulated by some old guys in suits, it's just none of their business. If two guys or two girls want to poke each other in the chop, who cares? How does it affect anyone else's life? It doesn't and it shouldn't matter.

I'm all for marriage equality for everyone.
 

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I don't think marriage is an issue that should be regulated by some old guys in suits, it's just none of their business. If two guys or two girls want to poke each other in the chop, who cares? How does it affect anyone else's life? It doesn't and it shouldn't matter.

I'm all for marriage equality for everyone.
 

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I am for it.

I am British and live in the UK. I did live in Michigan when I was young, and have been back to the US many times, most recently to California and Washington DC in 2010.

So I'm not clear on the state vs Federal position.

Here within the glorious ( :wink: ) European Union, states ( countries ) decide this sort of thing individually. The first gay marriage in France happened recently ... And the lower house of the UK parliament has voted in favour. It will pass into law before too long :smile:

I don't fully understand how any straight people think it will affect them.

If they think if some how "devalues" their marriage, then there's your equality argument, right there.

It clearly doesn't.

Every person on Earth is equally valuable. And deserves equal rights. There are some limits,so eg a man doesn't have an equal right to see a gynaecologist - but those are real world practical issues, not anything to squabble about.

I'm in a UK Civil Partnership already. I'd prefer the option to make it a marriage. Even though it's practically identical in terms of legal rights. But words and symbols do matter, in some contexts ...

Watching the US debate from afar, I have to keep pinching myself and reminding myself that the US Constitution formally separates church and state ...

And I don't buy the religious "anti gay" position even on it's own terms. Many genuinely religious people have no problem with equality. Including one of my best friends, a straight married mother of two. What's up with people ?
 
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I have many doubts about it.
It is not only the matter of marriage but everything that goes besides it. In France actually there is something called PACS (pacte civil de solidarite). It can be undertaken by both straight and gay couples, it gives you basically the same rights as the civil marriage.
The problem is that behind a marriage there are may other issues. The guys are not longer partners, they become spouses. If they adopt a baby - they will be parents. But what parents? Two daddys?
In Europe, especially in UK we are so politically correct that some words will be officialy denied to use in order not to bother someone or make him feeling bad. We won't have mothers and fathers any longer, we will have parent no. 1 & parent no. 2. We will have spouses but not husbands and wives, etc. I'm afraid it's a road to nowhere.
 

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If someone does not agree, does that make them a hater ? I do not agree with same sex marriage on a federal level. This, my friend, is a state issue. Some states allow, some states do not. Do not equate an opinion that is not the same as yours as hate.

It can't be a state issue, because with marriage come many federal rights. If I can marry a foreign national, then they would potentially become a citizen of the United States. My federal taxes could potentially be more in a state that doesn't recognize my marriage.

Personally, I think the state vs. federal argument is a very weak excuse for those against homosexuality in general. Marriage existed before most religions. It's obviously not sacred by any stretch of the imagination. If so, then the right should be immediately taken from heterosexuals, because they no longer treat it as such.


Two daddys?

Yes, two daddies. Gay couples have already adopted children and there doesn't seem to be any issue with labeling the parents. No one is trying to change the definition of mother or father. Slippery slope arguments are ridiculous.
 
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Being an old curmudgeon who doesn't particularly like change, I can somewhat understand some people's objection to same sex marriage. That, based strictly on the tradition that "marriage" is defined as a union between a man and a woman. But I also understand that things change and if we want to remain a functioning part of society we all have to adapt to the changes that evolve within that society. I've never had any issue at all with same sex civil unions and same sex couples having nuptials to endorse their union. But why should it be necessary to change the definition of the word "marriage"?

As for equality, here in the US we have an Internal Revenue Service that gives preference and special treatment to certain segments of our population over others. That's rampant throughout the tax code and it is a large part of the lack of equality between traditional marriages and same sex unions. That problem can easily be fixed by abolishing the IRS and treating all of our citizens equally. As for the many other factors that discriminate against same sex couples, they are ALL the result of local, state and federal intervention by (once again) legislating, regulating and codifying special privileges for certain segments of society over others. That should all be eliminated by getting government, at all levels, completely out of the marriage business. We should let marriage simply be a private matter between individuals and, if they choose to have holy matrimony, their spiritual leader.
 

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That should all be eliminated by getting government, at all levels, completely out of the marriage business. We should let marriage simply be a private matter between individuals and, if they choose to have holy matrimony, their spiritual leader.

^This! Although I think the chances are greater that rights would be given to a group rather than taken away from another.
 

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I think anyone who want to get married should be allowed to. Personally marriage doesn't mean a whole lot to me, got married last Oct, been together 15 years. The bible argument against same sex marriage doesn't work with me because in the bible thumpers eyes isn't god the one who ultimately does the judging? Not mortal people with an ideology? Let people be. Oh and when I got married it actually cost me money because her income put us in a different tax bracket and cost me about $3000 in tax refund money. Plus she has a recent dui and my car insurance company dropped dropped us so I went to a different company and said im not married to get cheaper insurance. Marriage has not benefited me financially, just the opposite
 

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If someone does not agree, does that make them a hater ? I do not agree with same sex marriage on a federal level. This, my friend, is a state issue. Some states allow, some states do not. Do not equate an opinion that is not the same as yours as hate.

Actually, this is a federal issue, since the 4th Amendment's Equal Protection clause requires that all people be treated equally, regardless of which state they live in. The fact that the issue is under review by the US Supreme Court at the moment is evidence of this. The Supreme Court has previously ruled that marriage is a fundamental right, and stepped in to outlaw interracial marriages by states via Loving v. Virginia (1967). As a matter of public policy, we don't let each state set their own rules on who can be married when those rules would conflict with the federal Constitution.

Of course, we're discussing a civil marriage license, not a religious wedding ceremony. Churches will always be free to discriminate in who they marry, according to their beliefs. No US court has ever required a Jewish synagogue to perform a Catholic wedding, or a Methodist church to perform a Mormon wedding.

As to the "hate", I agree that this is not a "hate" issue (although some people are truly hateful). Hate is an emotion, and the gov't doesn't regulate emotions. It's probably more accurate to say that someone who believes that gov't should treat different groups of people differently would hold a bigoted position (bigotry being an irrational bias against someone else).
 

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Marriage equality. Where do You stand?


YES .. equal it up
legalize it for ALL
the shithead hopeless UN should declare a 'Marriage is legal for all persons in the World' day
wont mean F all coming from them,but whats new.
 

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Actually, this is a federal issue, since the 4th Amendment's Equal Protection clause requires that all people be treated equally, regardless of which state they live in. The fact that the issue is under review by the US Supreme Court at the moment is evidence of this. The Supreme Court has previously ruled that marriage is a fundamental right, and stepped in to outlaw interracial marriages by states via Loving v. Virginia (1967). As a matter of public policy, we don't let each state set their own rules on who can be married when those rules would conflict with the federal Constitution.

Of course, we're discussing a civil marriage license, not a religious wedding ceremony. Churches will always be free to discriminate in who they marry, according to their beliefs. No US court has ever required a Jewish synagogue to perform a Catholic wedding, or a Methodist church to perform a Mormon wedding.

As to the "hate", I agree that this is not a "hate" issue (although some people are truly hateful). Hate is an emotion, and the gov't doesn't regulate emotions. It's probably more accurate to say that someone who believes that gov't should treat different groups of people differently would hold a bigoted position (bigotry being an irrational bias against someone else).

Hear hear.
 
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Being a father of a gay daughter. I would like her to be happy and marry her girlfriend. Virginia passed a law where they can't. The state shouldn't be involved in it. Washington going have to take a stand and pass for all...