Martial Law

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As promised I would start a thread regarding concerns of mine. Have been busy so I will raise a question, and let you guys discuss about the subject. What do you guys think, could there be such an action waiting to happen? I wish I could present a lil more, but have taken on more responsabilities lately. Will contribute as the thread progresses, and when I have the time. Not trying to cause any upset. Just a genuine concern.

We are all adults here so please respect each other, and carry on a decent conversation.
 

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What is there going that would cause Martial Law tto be enacted? Logistically it would be difficult to implement and maintain.
 

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Actually the question would likely be asked, just as it was with Bush, but it would be different people asking it.

I've heard the martial law theory, and tend to discount it. Here's why.

One of the fundamental truths about Americans is that we are very independently minded, and tend not to follow orders, even from presidents. Since the imposition of martial law would, essentially, be antithetical to the entire concept of America, it is questionable whether our military would, en masse, even follow that order. It would likely result in a split, with a decent percentage of the military actually siding against their leaders, or if you prefer, refusing an order they view as illegal.

Further, one of the arguments that is often used to explain the difficulty of imposing martial law in the USA, even with the military's support, is the high percentage of private gun ownership...if the people do not agree that martial law is in their best interest, then many would resist...forcefully. There's that split, again. So, obviously, gun ownership would be a point of contention if such a plan were in place.

Obama's actions while in office have not curtailed gun ownership, though a few shenanigans were played with ammo availability during the first 2 years. In fact, one of the few pieces of legislation that involved guns, actually expanded carry rights to include concealed carry in national parks.

Admittedly there were "conspiracy theories" about Fast and Furious, and the Aurora, CO shooting that lead the discussion towards manipulating public opinion, the apparent goal being a general disarming of the population, so that martial law could be more easily imposed. But, there seems to be little evidence to back up that belief.

Overall, there is insufficient evidence to believe that Obama will attempt to declare martial law...and assuming the goal would be for him to maintain power, the time to do so would be either right before the elections, or if he loses the election, right before Romney's inauguration.

*If* such stories are true then we will either see it happen, or not, very soon.

The peaceful and amicable transfer of power to an elected successor is one of the foundations of the American system...and we value it very highly. Martial law would be the antithesis of that system. It's *worth* fighting for.
 
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With an upcoming election presumably the questioner would be worrying about what might happen under a new president? Republicans are surely the party wishing to impose restrictions on how people can run ther own lives?
 

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Well since the o.p. contained NO references or links upon which the thread is based, I originally took it as a reference to REPUBLICAN ideas on imposing Martial Law, in particular this item re. Republican actions in Michigan:

Michigan passes 'financial martial law' bill - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

Michigan Set To Enact Sweeping 'Financial Martial Law' Bill

Martial Law in Michigan and Republicans' End Game

excerpts from politicususa.com article:

"...the Michigan state legislature quietly passed a bill giving the Governor of Michigan martial control over the state."

"The governor, on his own initiative, can declare an economic emergency in any town and appoint an administrator. The administrator can be any person, including a corporate person."

"The administrator has the power to do anything in the name of economic stability, including void contracts, void collective bargaining agreements, dissolve the town council, dissolve the school board, fire anyone including elected officials, hire private security, unincorporate the town, and sell off public property."

Now, if a Republican controlled government in Michigan was able to pull this off, what do you think a Republican President, with a Republican led Congress AND a conservative Supreme Court is going to do if/when they declare the nation in a state of "economic emergency"?

Don't let these people get in control, folks. You'll be SORRY.
 
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Well since the o.p. contained NO references or links upon which the thread is based, I originally took it as a reference to REPUBLICAN ideas on imposing Martial Law, in particular this item re. Republican actions in Michigan:

Michigan passes 'financial martial law' bill - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

Michigan Set To Enact Sweeping 'Financial Martial Law' Bill

Martial Law in Michigan and Republicans' End Game

excerpts from politicususa.com article:

"...the Michigan state legislature quietly passed a bill giving the Governor of Michigan martial control over the state."

"The governor, on his own initiative, can declare an economic emergency in any town and appoint an administrator. The administrator can be any person, including a corporate person."

"The administrator has the power to do anything in the name of economic stability, including void contracts, void collective bargaining agreements, dissolve the town council, dissolve the school board, fire anyone including elected officials, hire private security, unincorporate the town, and sell off public property."

Now, if a Republican controlled government in Michigan was able to pull this off, what do you think a Republican President, with a Republican led Congress AND a conservative Supreme Court is going to do if/when they declare the nation in a state of "economic emergency"?

Don't let these people get in control, folks. You'll be SORRY.

I had these concerns with the Bush administration.......Not so much Bush, but the people under him. Never thought what's happening in Michigan would happen at all, but it could be very bad for any applicable state (and especially for those of us in one) if that was were to happen on a Federal level!
 

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I think something in relation to it was written into the Patriot Act, but can't remember for sure.

Well then surely that aspect of the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, unless the Constitution provides for martial law under some circumstances?
 

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Well then surely that aspect of the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, unless the Constitution provides for martial law under some circumstances?
It does, through allowing for the suspension of habeas corpus. Typically, only Congress can make this call, but the President could do so and Congress could choose not to disagree, effectively ok'ing it. Some argue that the Patriot Act is a "blank check" to suspend habeas corpus at will, but it's not really viewed as such by most people.

It's an area in the Constitution that is unclear and has little legal precedent, but would probably need to be enacted in order for all the wrinkles to be ironed out of it. Let's hope we never have the need.
 

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I'm thinking since the "moderating team" has such delicate sensibilities they should close the the Political section entirely. Problem solved.
 
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I'm thinking since the "moderating team" has such delicate sensibilities they should close the the Political section entirely. Problem solved.


Be careful you may get "warned", lol.
 
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I think Martial Law is possible anywhere under the right(wrong) circumstances. Is it probable is another question entirely. IMHO Hurricane Katrina and the LA riots were teetering on the periphery of it at a local level.