Massage Therapists and Sex with Clients

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By sexual I assume you're just meaning touching the genitals, but all massage is touch and it intrinsically is sensual to one degree to another not necessarily sexual but indeed sensual. Why would you pay to go to a massage therapist if you didn't find the touch pleasurable? You certainly wouldn't go if it was painful or unpleasant.

Massage therapists communicate with their touch. Good therapists can convey trust, caring, concern and love with their touch. It can be theraputic and healing or perfunctory and unpleasant. Most medical massages are unpleasant and perfunctory in my experience and done by people trained to treat just one area of the body or to alleviate pain. Many have no intuitive skills or touch. It is all academic and cold. It is rarely holistic or pleasurable. Massage should be much more than treating symptoms I think.

Touch is a very powerful sense which registers beyond rational thought deep within our limbic brain and by its very nature is sensual and pleasurable. During and after a great massage the dicotomy of mind and body disappear and the health benefits are felt holistically not just in one segregated section of the body that is treated.

Now I'm not saying that a massage therapist needs to have sex with his clients but he certainly shouldn't have any hang ups regarding sex, genitals, anus or other forbidden parts of a person's body which can be touched during a massage to great pleasure and health of the whole person. It is common to feel elated and effervescent after a great massage and sometimes that requires the masseur to touch these places on our bodies that have been labeled "verboten' and we are told slutty, dirty, nasty and evil, all of which couldn't be further from the truth.

It has taken me years of repression to overcome body guilt and to regain my body and to feel free expressing my sexuality and enjoying all the pleasures my body lends to me and a lot of it has to do with enlightened, skilled, sensual, caring masseurs, one in particular, who taught me that my body is a vehicle for happiness in life.

I get what you're saying. And for you, that type of massage was therapeutic for you; for me, it would be the opposite. My life experience might have been similar to yours (I'm just guessing), but I learned that it was okay for everyone to touch me. I've mentioned on the boards before that I was even sexually touched by a doctor. It took years for me to trust men (or anyone for that matter) who had any position of authority over me to touch me without demonstrating/expressing any sexual intent or interest.

I am comforted by the fact that a massage therapist would lose their license by sexually touching their clients; however, if you found a type of therapist who was able to help you to open up and teach you to enjoy your own body? Then, truly Earl, I am happy for you. And you know that comes from the bottom of my heart.
 

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For the sake of trolling? kthxbye, I know not to bother reading your topics now.

Sorry that not everyone can be as comfortable having a beautiful body like me.

Kinda full of yourself there. I don't find you very attractive in the least. Sorry.

I'm fine with you not posting on my threads or opening them for that matter. Bye. You can spread your sunshine somewhere else.:smile:
 
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I get what you're saying. And for you, that type of massage was therapeutic for you; for me, it would be the opposite. My life experience might have been similar to yours (I'm just guessing), but I learned that it was okay for everyone to touch me. I've mentioned on the boards before that I was even sexually touched by a doctor. It took years for me to trust men (or anyone for that matter) who had any position of authority over me to touch me without demonstrating/expressing any sexual intent or interest.

I am comforted by the fact that a massage therapist would lose their license by sexually touching their clients; however, if you found a type of therapist who was able to help you to open up and teach you to enjoy your own body? Then, truly Earl, I am happy for you. And you know that comes from the bottom of my heart.

I'm sorry you had to experience that with your doctor Fem. I think it's a different experience with men and women. As there is a vunerability that because I'm a relatively big guy don't really feel when being touched. Also I'm big enough to stop guys who physically do anything to me that I don't want, not the case for most women I imagine.

But like you I find any unwanted sexual attraction extremely uncomfortable. I think my body was conditioned to dislike being touched and distrust people as I was beat up and bullied as a kid. I still flinch when strangers touch me even after all these years. Mentally I was over the abuse but my body still harbored all that ugliness so I decided to start getting massages. Luckily I found a great therapist who I've been known for 15 years now. It's healed a lot of those scars of being so unloved and abused in a direct way that no talk or rationalization could ever accomplish and it's helped me flinch less.

I hope you trust people a bit more now and found a way of getting loving people into your life. But I get what you're saying too.
 
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By sexual I assume you're just meaning touching the genitals, but all massage is touch and it intrinsically is sensual to one degree to another not necessarily sexual but indeed sensual. Why would you pay to go to a massage therapist if you didn't find the touch pleasurable? You certainly wouldn't go if it was painful or unpleasant.

Massage therapists communicate with their touch. Good therapists can convey trust, caring, concern and love with their touch. It can be theraputic and healing or perfunctory and unpleasant. Most medical massages are unpleasant and perfunctory in my experience and done by people trained to treat just one area of the body or to alleviate pain. Many have no intuitive skills or touch. It is all academic and cold. It is rarely holistic or pleasurable. Massage should be much more than treating symptoms I think.

Touch is a very powerful sense which registers beyond rational thought deep within our limbic brain and by its very nature is sensual and pleasurable. During and after a great massage the dicotomy of mind and body disappear and the health benefits are felt holistically not just in one segregated section of the body that is treated.

Now I'm not saying that a massage therapist needs to have sex with his clients but he certainly shouldn't have any hang ups regarding sex, genitals, anus or other forbidden parts of a person's body which can be touched during a massage to great pleasure and health of the whole person. It is common to feel elated and effervescent after a great massage and sometimes that requires the masseur to touch these places on our bodies that have been labeled "verboten' and we are told slutty, dirty, nasty and evil, all of which couldn't be further from the truth.

It has taken me years of repression to overcome body guilt and to regain my body and to feel free expressing my sexuality and enjoying all the pleasures my body lends to me and a lot of it has to do with enlightened, skilled, sensual, caring masseurs, one in particular, who taught me that my body is a vehicle for happiness in life.

You are saying a massage therapist should have sex with their clients. It's exactly what you want everyone else to agree to. I said I would not and explained why in an honest and nice way and you called me a slut and a whore and some other insulting things. You further said I should "rethink" my license just because I won't get my future clients off? Nasty little man.

Who said anything about a massage therapist having sexual hang-ups? You did and elaborated on your own. We don't. And we do not want sick and twisted men like you for clients who feel it is our duty to touch your cock! IT'S NOT!

After reading this thread to the end, you are the one who has some serious sexual issues. Obviously, you get off on taking them out on people who do not agree with you. You are a nasty person who loves to bully people. It looks you got what you deserved in your life and I have no sympathy for your sob story. I can only hope karma keeps up with you.
 

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i think Mr. Earl's point was that grown-ass people should feel free to do what grown-ass people want to do.

if a therapist wanted to offer naughty-bit service to a client, there shouldn't be any legislation preventing such service. and Mr. Earl is talking about his own personal experiences with a massage professional... related specific like to how healing/positive the experience was for him.

i don't think read anything about a therapist being obligated to offer a service? :confused:

kinda like medical marijuana.
some folks call poo-poo.
come folks call it a miracle.
is not right that some folks are denied healing based on the hang ups of other folks.

also, Mr. Earl never called you a slut or a whore.... ya might wanna re-read y'all exchange.
 

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You are saying a massage therapist should have sex with their clients. It's exactly what you want everyone else to agree to. I said I would not and explained why in an honest and nice way and you called me a slut and a whore and some other insulting things. You further said I should "rethink" my license just because I won't get my future clients off? Nasty little man.

Who said anything about a massage therapist having sexual hang-ups? You did and elaborated on your own. We don't. And we do not want sick and twisted men like you for clients who feel it is our duty to touch your cock! IT'S NOT!

After reading this thread to the end, you are the one who has some serious sexual issues. Obviously, you get off on taking them out on people who do not agree with you. You are a nasty person who loves to bully people. It looks you got what you deserved in your life and I have no sympathy for your sob story. I can only hope karma keeps up with you.

I don't think I called you a slut and whore nor did I say you need to have sex with clients nor your duty to. You need to re-read the thread or brush up on your language skills.

You got a lot of piss and vinegar, always a good indicator of a nurturing, caring, healing spirit. We can only hope you don't transfer all that negativity and hurtful anger into your future massages.
 
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Now now, you're all pretty!!! Be nice. As a massage therapist, if you care about your license and ethics, you do not cross the line. There are also undercover cops checking out the "less than legit" establishments. It's not unusual for the therapist to get an erection during a massage. If the therapist is interested in taking it further, that should be done outside of a professional environment. There are plenty of "therapist" out there offering "in or out" calls. You're more apt to find sex going on there.
 

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yeah, but i am the prettiest! *flips hair, bats lashes, titters when the light catches my face just so*
 
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I scheduled an appointment for a massage today. I have only had three "massages" ever, and they were explicitly sexual massage with women. This is my first full body massage with a male masseur. He seems legit licensed therapist etc. How do I know or read if anything additionally more can be expected?
 
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What if I do happen to get hard? Would it be inappropriate, can I get in trouble for it?
 

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Do you think even the most legit massage therapists have crossed that line with a client during a "work" session?

I had a massage the other day at a day spa, a legit place, nice, and very above board and the massage studio spaces are separated by thin walls and curtains from one another but you still can hear faint sounds from the other tables.

And I definitely heard sex going on in the studio next to me. It was a bit annoying but I was wondering if that line between professionalism and sex is crossed even in the most legit professional massage places. I imagine if it's not consensual the therapist probably would be fired but if the client is open to sex and the therapist is very sexually attracted to him/her does it happen? Do sexual urges take over?

I was thinking about this during my massage even though it was explicitly indicated that this was NOT a place for licentious behavior whatsoever.
I know this post is ancient of days, but I have answers for others asking.
In the spirit of #RespectMassage, I will use MT for any therspist who filled local credentials and operates aboveboard, and sex worker for, well, sex workers. (Because I want to skip the gendered masseuse/masseur terms)

option 1)
Oh my goodness, was my Thursday person there? They moan like a porn shoot.
I have an elbow in their deltoid.
option 2) two MTs were on break and doing things that would get them fired.
option 3) an MT crossed the line and should lose their license.
option 4) wishful thinking, gutterbrain.
(disclosure, I rented a suite next to another MT. They were legit, but the sounds gave me gutterbrain moments.)
 

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*ponders* seems kinda silly that massage therapist can't offer sexual release at their own discretion, depending on client need/therapeutic value.

i mean, i am cool with sexual surrogates and sexual therapists... maybe an extra license/training to add a bit of legitimacy? a way to distance physical therapy from tug-shops?

*is uber opposed to tug-shops, is usually a front for human trafficking/sexual slavery :frown:*
Because we work diligently in the industry to NOT be treated as sex workers.
coming on to an MT, who has to be polite to a point, is just as shitty as hitting on retail and restaurant workers.
#respectmassage
 
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Because we work diligently in the industry to NOT be treated as sex workers.
coming on to an MT, who has to be polite to a point, is just as shitty as hitting on retail and restaurant workers.
#respectmassage
I absolutely understand the necessity of strict protocols, Ms SB. And 10 years down the line my tired ass has accepted that we can't have nice things as the prevailing theme of all things.

Gotta make sure this is clear. Massage therapist is a fully legit practice worked by dedicated to the cause folks. Most bust ass to improve their skill set and the attitude toward their profession on the daily.

My original intention was allowing trained and vetted practitioners to be able to offer another type of therapy. They would have additional training in the study of mental health, trauma survival and adaptive needs.
Which would require a level of maturity and lack of shaming Burgerland does not/will ever achieve.

It's a nice idea but people suck. I am sorry randos still do the hip lift and manipulate the situation with money or threatened retaliation, review nukes or false complaints.

There is also the ugly issue of trafficking and abuse of marginalized people. And their very real lack of recourse and protections.
 
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My very long-term physical therapist - a mentor and good friend at this point - gives me an infrequent hand job during some of our sessions. Years ago we respected the boundaries and used draping and I wore underwear. At some point I stopped wearing the underwear, and now I'm just fully nude on the table.

As I've recounted in my blog I've have a series of medical problems with my left groin. I mentioned to my therapist my years-long frustrations with the doctors' inability to diagnose the pain I was in, and during one of our sessions he asked it he could feel around the area and give his input. (He's got a lot of anatomical training.)

I was still wearing underwear at that point, and he pulled down the side (taking care to leave Lil Rambler covered) and confirmed that there were three areas where he felt "something unusual."

A few sessions later he offered to massage the area, which genuinely helped with the pain. This became more of our regular session - still non-sexual - to the point I just pulled off the underwear so he wasn't using one had to hold it in place. We still draped but it freed him up.

Finally, one session, he asked if it felt better after I'd ejaculated. I really hadn't connected the two and told him so. A few more sessions down the line - again, I've been seeing him for years - he said "aw, fuck it" and gave me a hand job to see if the pain went away. It didn't entirely but it seemed to relieve some of the pain.

(My complaints were a bruised sensation around the general groin, an area of numbness, a pinpoint of pain adjacent to Lil Rambler which was matched by a hard knot of some kind, and a wiry thread that ran for an inch or so from my left nut into my abdomen. It was this last thing that was finally diagnosed as a calcified vas deferens and removed during surgery last year. That seemed to be the source of most of my pain, since the pain was dramatically reduced after surgery.)

We still work on the scar tissue, which is an intimate thing, obviously. I'm nude and undraped for my back, and he then drapes me when I roll over. This last session - about a week ago - I rolled over and he simply said "are you okay like that?" I said sure and went undraped for the rest of the session.

It's a relationship that has built over a decade and a half of knowing and trusting each other. He's straight as an arrow otherwise.
 
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