Maybe Republicans can start counting Blacks as 3/5ths

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  1. mikeyh9in

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    Maybe the Republicans can start counting blacks in America as 3/5ths of a person... maybe that will make their poll numbers work out better for them.

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    hehehehe tell that to Michael Steel he seem like 3/5 leader of the party
     
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    That was actually quite funny. Bill Maher would be proud of you. :biggrin1:
     
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    Regardless of racial disparity, Obama the Celebrity is more popular than his policies.
     
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    Reagan was more popular than his policies, what's your point?............Obama is liked by over 80% of the people in the USA. That's a Bad thing?:confused:
     
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    Trickle down economics...or Reaganomics is everything Obama is against. People liking Reagan personally and trusting him to handle the economy while being skeptical of Reagan's actual respective policies is probably why people gave him free reign to let the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

    Will Obama Be Like Reagan In His Poll Numbers Too?
    by Andrew Kohut, ABlueView.com

    Obama's cult of personality is strong and people need to separate personality from politics. If the policies aren't right for the country then we need to change the policies- it's not personal to the President. The fact remains...Obama the celebrity is more popular than his policies.
     
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    The popularity for his policies ain't too shabby.........polls show anywhere between 61-68 % approval.
     
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    This is a concern for Obama. Though the support for Obama's policies is still relatively high, support is going down and it is sharp disparity with his personal popularity. You brought up the Reagan comparison:

    by Andrew Kohut, New York Times, Will Obama Ride Reagan’s Ratings Roller Coaster?

    By Paul Steinhauser, CNN, Obama more popular than his policies, poll shows

    The progressive President of Pew Research put it this way:

    by Andrew Kohut, ABlueView.com, Will Obama Be Like Reagan In His Poll Numbers Too?
     
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    support is going down....................like the poster on his boyfriend?
     
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    for whatever the republicans say now, i must remind you, that traditionally, up through the late 1960s, the democrats were the party that oppressed blacks...


    as for the counting of blacks as 3/5ths of a person, it was Lincoln who added the 13th amendment to the Republican Party Platform, which called for Abolition, rendering the 3/5ths rule moot.

    so, before complaining too bitterly, or accusing Republicans of wanting to count blacks as 3/5ths, one might want to check the facts as to who led the drive to count blacks as full people in the first place.
     
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    And the relationship between the current republican party and the policies and vision of Abraham Lincoln is.....?
     
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    Honestly?

    That is an agenda stretching real far to find it's argument.

    The Republican Party of today bears no relation to the Republican Party of 1860.
     
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    what agenda is that?

    the fact is, that regardless of the GOP's lack of attraction of Black voters, the OP's absurd contention even if an attempt at humor, that the GOP could "start counting blacks as 3/5ths" is still totally false in historical terms.

    That is undeniable.

    and while the Republican Party of today bears no relation to the party of 1860, one does not need to go back as far as 1860...the 1960s will do...since the Republican Party was the key in civil rights passage.

    regardless of "agendas", the GOP has always been open to blacks, and it is only in recent times in the past 4 decades or so that the massive shift has occurred...and that is because of the GOP's stance against a raft of entitlements many of which benefit the black community (and other communities as well)

    even so, there has still been a black presence supporting the GOP, even if it is small relative to the Democratic support.


    in 76, Ford received 16% of the black vote
    in 80, Reagan received 14% of the black vote
    in 84, Reagan received 9% of the black vote
    in 88, Bush received 11% of the black vote
    in 92, Bush received 10% of the black vote, Perot received 7%
    in 96, Dole received 12% of the black vote, Perot received 4%
    in 00, Bush received 9% of the black vote
    in 04, Bush received 11% of the black vote
    in 08, McCain received 4% of the black vote, others received 1%

    the fact is that the GOP is not "anti-black"...it's policies simply are not as attractive as those offered by the democrats that directly benefit the black community...most notably social programs.

    the fact is, that no other significant social group in america demonstrates a similar near-uniform solidarity in voting pattern than the black community.

    they vote as such because they feel they have a better chance with democrats in power than republicans.

    that does not mean that republicans can start "counting Blacks as 3/5ths of a person"

    to ascribe a significant amount of animosity towards black by the GOP is simply wrong and suggesting it the way the OP did, is in itself a bit vile.

    doubtless there are plenty of racists out there, and many may be republicans...but let us be honest at least when we discuss why it is that the black community no longer votes for the GOP in any large numbers.

    It is because they do not benefit as much from the GOP platform and policies as they do from democratic largesse.

    after all, let us not forget what the NAACP said in 1948:

    “It is time to turn your picture of Lincoln to the wall, the debt has been paid.”



    Sadly, for the black community, voting overwhelmingly democratic in the past 60 years has made them far worse off as a community on the whole.

    This does not mean they would be better off necessarily voting for the GOP...but surely, things can't be much worse for the black community.
     
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    I know that you would never, ever back down from an ill-advised statement. I therefore usually let them go unchallenged, because I realize a multi-paragraph post defending your initial assertion will ensue from any challenge to the initial assertion.

    But your first post in this thread was out of bounds.

    Weave away......
     
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    I do not need to weave. Nobody else took exception to it but you.

    i fail to see how it was "out of bounds" to state a historical fact.

    I would back down from an "ill-advised statement" except i do not see one here.

    to suggest pointing out a historical truth as "ill-advised", might be something you should re-examine.

    challenge away. there is absolutely nothing wrong with the first post.

    I fail to see how in *ANY* way this statement (the first post) is either "ill advised" or, in fact "out of bounds"

    "for whatever the republicans say now, i must remind you, that traditionally, up through the late 1960s, the democrats were the party that oppressed blacks...
    as for the counting of blacks as 3/5ths of a person, it was Lincoln who added the 13th amendment to the Republican Party Platform, which called for Abolition, rendering the 3/5ths rule moot.

    so, before complaining too bitterly, or accusing Republicans of wanting to count blacks as 3/5ths, one might want to check the facts as to who led the drive to count blacks as full people in the first place."


    Every single thing in that post is a historical fact. Please point out what is "out of bounds"
     
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    The two largest surveys have him at 55 and 58%.
     
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    And tell that to the anti-Prop 8 folks.

    touche.
     
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    facequeen got back on topic? oh my
     
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    You (and the rest of the republicans) may be living back in the mid 1800's, but facts are facts *now*... I really didn't see a lot of support from African Americans for the Republican party in the last election (I don't have the exact stats in fron of me)...

    They *were* the inclusive party... now they scream nothing but hate -- suppress the black vote in Florida, hate gays and lesbians, hate mexican immigrants, hate - hate - hate.

    To fix the republican party... they need to follow the teachings of one of their leader... Jesus... and love everyone.

     
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    the funny thing is... actually the sad thing ....is the Democrats have been EXPLOITING blacks for decades... they would never put their white princesses in any inner city setting, yet bloat and blather about equality and blah blah blah. they paint the GOP as the "boogeyman", pull the race card card 10x more than any racist white redneck... me thinks 4 years later the "plight" of African Americans will be no better off by the weighs/measures that liberal "social" watchdogs 'measure things by' .

    "democrats to blacks vs the GOP" are like "catholics to disciples VS the devil"... both falshehoods to gain followship. it's pathetic. it's lip service.
     
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