McCain booed after trying to calm anti-Obama crowd

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this is what I have been saying all along ...

character for the office is probably the single most important aspect of the candidate

given the structure of our government, including its checks and balances, the policy initiatives that the President brings is only a smal part of the entire picture

L'etat, C'est Moi cannot be claimed by any man in our system

between those interstices where the individual does make a difference is where some of the greatest consequences lie

historians are in agreement, had Franklin Roosevelt lived longer, the Viet Nam War would never had occurred

someone other than Truman might have not have dropped the atomic bombs on Japan; someone other than Truman might have followed the State Department's recommendation, and not recognized Israel

someone other than Kennedy would have handled the Cuban Missile Crisis disastrously

so, character is a very large factor

that is why, for many of us, Obama is not a clearcut choice

Many people can have a look, sound and demeanor that portrays an image of perfection. McCain and Obama both try to do this. I already had my eyes set on Obama since Hillary didn't get the nomination and that's based on their stances on the issues that matter to me most. However, it's more set in stone for me because McCain allowed himself and his campaign to wallow in so much negative & degrading behavior just to try and show his in a better light.

I mean, McCain's crowd were about 5 chromosomes short of being a lynch mob in that video. I've never seen anything that disgusting before in an American political forum in my life. If McCain really wanted to make this contest about character, he would have made the "noble" comments about Obama WAY before it got to this level. Give him credit for at least trying to do something right, but the damage has already been done. In my eyes, he and Palin already lost the argument on character based on their own words & actions.
 

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A few years ago in an interview Ted Kennedy gave after the "new" Republicans came into power in 1996, he said something to the effect: I've been in Washington for a lot of years and when the cameras were off, we talked, we reasoned, we worked things out. But this new crop of Republicans seems bent on not just opposing the Democrats, but anihilating them! For a very long time now the Republicans have been masters at seeking to divide the nation rather than unite it. They have fostered and promoted this kind of vile feeling against Democrats. You don't hear these kinds of things being yelled out at Democratic events (not that we don't have the crazies on our team too). People need to remember that whatever political party that is "out" of power isn't the enemy -- just the opposition. I too applaud John McCain for FINALLY calling down these people at his own rallies. It needs to be done. And for a man who criticizes Obama for speaking dangerously about world matters --- he's certainly old enough to know that you cannot use the kind of language he's been using in his campaign without inciting strong emotions -- and paying the consequences for it. I would hang my head in shame if I were a Republican listening to all these people yelling "kill him" and "terrorist" in choosing a President! Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave!
 

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it's 2008

seven years after September 11, 2001

several years after the imposition of multi-culturalism in our schools

several years of massive immigration from Asia and Arabia

two decades after the 1960's, and the expounding of an anti-Americanism ideology by the liberal elite

months after Obama disparaged American culture, with his "clinging to their guns and religion" remarks

months after the Rev Wright revelations, etc.

months since they have learned of his Muslim Kenyan background


believe they don't share your perspective
 

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it's 2008

seven years after September 11, 2001

several years after the imposition of multi-culturalism in our schools

several years of massive immigration from Asia and Arabia

two decades after the 1960's, and the expounding of an anti-Americanism ideology by the liberal elite

months after Obama disparaged American culture, with his "clinging to their guns and religion" remarks

months after the Rev Wright revelations, etc.

months since they have learned of his Muslim Kenyan background


believe they don't share your perspective

Oh I see, that makes it allll ok then!:rolleyes:
 

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wouldn't say "insanity-driven"

more accurately "anger-driven"

and "racism" is a tendentious term within liberal ideology, used and intended to foreclose any serious discussion, that might lead to results other than that demanded by the ideology

having said that, though, there probably was some genuine (i.e., non-liberal ideology) racism behind the yelling of some of those remarks
 

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For the last week or so there has been pressure in the media for McCain and Palin to denounce these expressions of rage at their rallies. These crazies have started to impact the sensibilities of the average voter. That is the main reason he had to say something. If there hadn't been pressure to say something, I doubt he would have. If it was a matter of principle, Palin would have put a stop to it the first time someone shouted 'terrorist' or 'kill him', instead of just standing there with her beauty queen smile.
 

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BTW, we have begun to see the same thing in the rest of the Western world

political parties you would call racist are beginning to make gains in support, again, in reaction to the massive influx of third world types ... in the case of the German example I'm thinking of, because of the large numbers of Muslims that have entered that country
 
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You gotta be fuckin' kidding us, right????

no

there is racism (the original meaning and usage) and there is "racism" (meaning, intent, and usage as I described above)

the second instance might be clearer if you review the discourse from the 1980's, wherein you'll find charges of "japan-bashing", anytime anyone tried to raise genuine issues of concern regarding japanese practices

likewise, in the instances described regarding the current tensions and emotions, larger issues regarding the current civic culture are being foreclosed from discussion and examination by the charge

but make no mistake, I agree that there is some underlying racism (original sense) on the part of some of the participants

as well as some latent anger regarding the direction American culture is being forcibly destroyed or changed, depending on your perspective

might add, Obama does not help his case when he says things like this "... is no longer a Christian nation ..."

and again, you see it happening elsewhere in the Western world (some of us are surprised we didn't see it sooner)
 

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"I can't trust Obama, I have read about him and he's not, he's not, he's an Arab."
He isn't, but if he were? :rolleyes:
I'm very disappointed in Sununu right now.

McCain no doubt has been noticing that his "tent" contains about 50% crazy people. He finally couldn't fucking take it anymore... I almost shed a tear during that moment, he grabbed that microphone and just let it out!!!!! He is a principled man and doesn't deserve this kind of campaign.

He, like a lot of politicians had been looking to many gobtards and dipshits for guidance in how to wage an effective campaign against a "dream" candidate. They have been steering him wrong and he now knows it... it is regretfully too late now though. Sarah Palin has driven his campaign into the gutter, attracting racists and veritible retards to the fold. I'll bet Cindy has been looking at the caliber of people that has been coming to their rallies and has been greatly dismayed. :confused:

John McCain's expression was like "What the Fuck?" when he shouted out in a call and response cadence at a busy rally the other day, "What is Barack Obama?" and somone shouted, "A TERRORIST!!!!!" :eek:

That was NOT the response he was looking for, his face was contorted and pained when he heard that.

All I know is that John McCain has gone WAY up in my book... God Bless John McCain!!!!!
:biggrin1:
I never disliked McCain, and I respect him for correcting versus allowing the negative, incorrect information to stand.

However, he is responsible for the campaign, for fear mongering, and courting the wack fringe.

The RNC is reaping EXACTLY what they sowed. All of the results from their steady negative campaigning, smear tactics and distortions are coming into to light and it's not pretty at all. Some people honestly believe all that crap. But they were expecting the intellectuals to eat this up... not the extreme lunatics.

It's exposing the ugly truths of some people in America. The optimistic side of me really wants to think that the majority of our nation don't fall under this category, but you never know. It'll be interesting to see where McCain/Palin go from here, because it's clear that the gloves are off as well as the phony masks and costumes of some very nasty-minded people.
I believe the cosmopolitan portion of this country is in the minority.
Even if Obama wins, I fear for his life.
 

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overall campaign assessment:

- we are seeing something brand new that's been done a thousand campaigns before.

- there are too many idiots on television telling less pro-active idiots what to think

- there are too many idiots on television telling extremely pro-active idiots what to think.

- this will be the last 20th century style american election

- most americans will continue to live their lives in a relatively similar fashion to what they already do on a daily basis regardless of how much new paperwork an outdated system of government vs. media throws at it

just some quick thoughts.
 

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Why would you vote for Obama?

I could see that if you're a minority and on welfare, but other than that, i have no idea why you would support someone that is on the extreme left.

Why do you think Obama is on the extreme left? The Democrats are, if anything, a moderate right or middle of the road party and Obama hasn't showed many signs of straying from that.

Conservative rhetoric has gone too far calling everyone left of Pat Buchanan a "socialist" or "extreme left". Just because he doesn't live in your ideological lunchbox, it doesn't make him a Communist. Might it not have occurred to you that you are in fact the one off to the extreme of the spectrum?

The thing is, the conservative far right is characterized by a very self interest focused ideology that not all people, even those with ways and means, adhere to. Not only that, not all people view the world in purely ideological black and white terms. Some people actually believe that both the arguments of the left and right have merit and should be balanced against each other to provide the best outcomes.

These people might believe that the senior citizen across town shouldn't freeze to death just because she can't afford to pay her heating bills and that society has an ethical responsibility to make sure things like this don't happen when it is easily preventable. Not only that, they may understand that one day they too may be senior citizens who lost all their retirement money to an economic meltdown and they may not be able to afford heating for the same reason, so they empathize. At the same time, they don't believe we should have workers collectives or that the government should own the means of production or other "socialist" ideas.

Is this an unreasonable or immoral view that will terrorize your country? Is it an "extreme left" view? Some might note that the inability to feel empathy for the conditions of others is the definition of a psychopath and that you might have anti-social personality disorder which sounds far more dangerous than helping the old lady across town.

There are plenty of the middle and even upper class people who are far more moderate than yourself who like the idea of things like fixing the public education system (where most middle class people send their children), making sure they have benefits at work (like paid holidays) and making sure little old ladies don't die during cold snaps. They don't have to be minorities or on welfare, they just believe this is a better system.

1. I am strongly against redistribution of wealth.There are too many lazy people milking our system in America. I have been to poor countries. I KNOW what poor is.

Obama has lived in Indonesia for a reasonable period of his life. Living in Jakarta I'm sure Obama got a very good perspective on what poor actually is. In fact, he probably knows a fair bit better than you.

There are plenty of ways to redistribute wealth that don't involve writing checks for people who don't work. Having a higher minimum wage for example; most of the first world has a higher minimum wage vs living expenses than the USA does by far. Some of them also have economies which have outperformed the US economy on average over the last 15 years and have stronger welfare systems and better government services. It's funny, they don't complain about having trouble becoming wealthy (they don't) or about their lack of individual freedoms.

For that matter, I've been to some very poor countries that have better healthcare outcomes and free/universal healthcare for citizens, as well as other public services not available in the USA. The people who take advantages of these services are not lazy, the services are available to everyone.

2. I am strongly against Affirmative Action---this is racist.

I like how you just say things without supporting them. Affirmative action isn't necessarily effective, but calling it "racist" is like saying it's penalising white people when it isn't at all. Black people are penalized all the time for being black by white people who are afraid of them or don't trust them. Now affirmative action may not be effective, but what would you suggest would level this imbalance (Careful now, you might find that there aren't any suggestions on the talk back radio show you paroted this from)?

Oh, I forgot, that's the racial minority's problem, not yours, you shouldn't have to worry about it! :rolleyes:.

3. Obama would hurt the middle class the most and they are the ones who need the most help.

Again with the unsupported points. Why would Obama hurt the middle class? Raising taxes on people earning over 250k a year? Oh wait, that's hardly a middle class salary there. I mean, what exactly is he going to do?

Most people in the middle class have exorbitant health care costs, many send their kids to government schools and then on to college. If Obama were to say focus on reducing the cost of healthcare and education through government initiatives, I'm sure the middle class would be massively outraged :rolleyes:.

4. I can wipe my own bottom thanks. I don't need the government to tell me how to or when to wipe. Would you rather have someone give you fish or give you a rod and bait and teach your how to fish? Which is better for America in the long run?

Well, I doubt Obama will be offering to wipe your ass for you. Your implication that Obama is going to institute a massive nanny state where you're not allowed to do anything isn't really founded on anything you've actually heard Obama say is it? It sounds like more punditry from the radio.

Living in a country with well implemented national healthcare and well regulated banks isn't actually something that curtails your freedom or in fact makes you feel like you're having your ass wiped. It does however mean that if you're in a serious accident or a financial crisis hits the world you don't lose your legs or your savings.

5. I am against censorship--->Fairness Doctrine(same thing as censorship).

How is the right of reply censorship? How is producing extra content, as opposed to less content censorship? If you accuse some group of people on national TV of molesting children, is it censorship for one of that group to be allowed to come on TV to defend themself and show why that might not be true? However, no one stopped you saying they molested children in the first place, you weren't censored. In fact, it's entirely an illogical line of reasoning (which, given that reason is the application of logic, is not reasoning at all).

The other unsupported points you put forward indicate that you are just relaying political commentary you've heard on various sources with a particular ideological slant without being able to put the reasoning or the justification behind it.

To me, these organizations would have a vested interest in being against the fairness doctrine. I mean, it wouldn't stop them making their points, but the idea that someone else might be allowed to question them in front of the viewers? Well, then people like you might think twice about posting their unsupported points on websites like this and we can't have that now, can we :eek:.
 

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The RNC is reaping EXACTLY what they sowed. All of the results from their steady negative campaigning, smear tactics and distortions are coming into to light and it's not pretty at all. Some people honestly believe all that crap. But they were expecting the intellectuals to eat this up... not the extreme lunatics.

It's exposing the ugly truths of some people in America. The optimistic side of me really wants to think that the majority of our nation don't fall under this category, but you never know. It'll be interesting to see where McCain/Palin go from here, because it's clear that the gloves are off as well as the phony masks and costumes of some very nasty-minded people.


Vinylboy,

I dont want to be a naysayer but we have the precedent of the Tom Bradley effect where Bradley was projected to win and astonishingly when all the votes were counted he found himself shocked and out of a job. It isnt over until it is over .People say many things to keep the rain of retribution from coming down on their heads in public. We shall see what happens after they come out of the voting booth.
 

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I am glad that that McCain stood up for Obama as well.
But that is just a drop in the bucket. It actually worries me that some people see Obama as a terrorist and traitor, not because of the disrespect but because of the possible threat he may face if he does win.
The crazies have been behind every assassination attempt through out history, and not just in the US. What happens when some extremist nut job thinks he/she is the one who has to save the world from, what I see, an imaginary threat.
Will that change my vote? No!!!!! But it does worry me.
 

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The timing of these videos has me wondering so I'm going to ask:

Aren't angry, potentially violent specatators supposed to be escorted out of rallies by security? That is....unless those angry, potentially violent specatators serve a purpose in being angry and potentially violent.

Is it possible these are just shills planted to allow McCain to look calm, objective, and presidential in the face of mob chaos?
 

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"I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab."

What is this country/world coming to?
The abundance of ignore floats everywhere and the racism still hovering over all of us. You cant trust him because he's an Arab? What if I told you I couldn't trust you because you're white? I've read about you.
I really wish I could put some sense into that woman.
 

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The government has fucked up buddy, it's time for it to solve the problems it 's created for Americans.

We can't do anything about the price gas, the price of oil, the price of food, the price of electricity, the falling value of homes, or the depreciation of the value of our money. These problems do not stem from the housing crisis. The housing crisis was caused by these problems. They are the direct result of the overprinting of money, using debt for financing, and the war which has resulted in rediculous prices for oil, whicn in turn lead to increased prices for every product, while the average American is stuck making the same amount of money as they have been for years. ALL of these problems stem directly from governmental mismanagement.

Hmm... the government fucked up, so now we're going to trust them to fix it?