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Former 2008 Presidential Republican Candidate John "grampy" McCain has (27 incorrect) re: 23yrs.(corrected), of Romney's tax records. Curious that he's been silent throughout all of this controversy regarding Romney's taxes. And the one tax return, Romney did turn over to the media,was incomplete. McCain knows whats in Romney's tax returns are, why can't McCain leak these to the press. No successful Presidential Candidate has ever not released less than 6 yrs of tax returns. Romney's father released 12 yrs, setting the precident, its Now apart od the Presidential vetting process. It has been since 1968. If Romney won't release them, then McCain should. Romney last weekend, announced Paul Ryan as his running only to throw up smoke & mirrors to deflect away from the real issue of Romney's tax problems.
 
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This sounds interesting. Proof? As in where did your read/hear this?

Here... Daily Kos: McCain Vetted Romney, Still Chose Palin
John McCain: Mitt Romney Tax Returns Show He Paid Uncle Sam (VIDEO)
**note** McCain said taxes, not income taxes.
If Romney's tax returns were not controversial, then why didn't McCain pick Romney instead of Half term Governor Palin?
In 2008, John McCain vetted Willard “Mittens” Romney as a potential Vice Presidential nominee.
Is Dirty Harry lying about Romney
Reid would not have said anything, had he not verified the source.
And I apologize, it was only 23 years of taxes, not 27.
 

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Here's what has me flummoxed on the whole tax return issue--Romney was asked and provided many years of returns to the McCain campaign. Ryan was asked and provided more than two years of returns to the Romney campaign. Why then, if, as Ryan has stated, he too only planned to release two years?

It's this type of duplicity that causes speculation about whether Romney paid any taxes some years or paid a reduced rate based on deductions, etc. Even if any of the speculation is true--if the returns were done by his accountants based on tax laws in effect at that time, then good for him. It would become a non-issue for me.

But it concerns me deeply. Romney's father George put Mitt into a tenuous situation because not only did George release 12 years of tax returns, he made an issue out of the necessity of being transparent.

Imagine the campaign ads to come that will address this hypocracy.

I can't help but believe that there is something here--which does more damage to Mitt's campaign--release or not release--that is the question.
 

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Here's what has me flummoxed on the whole tax return issue--Romney was asked and provided many years of returns to the McCain campaign. Ryan was asked and provided more than two years of returns to the Romney campaign. Why then, if, as Ryan has stated, he too only planned to release two years?

It's this type of duplicity that causes speculation about whether Romney paid any taxes some years or paid a reduced rate based on deductions, etc. Even if any of the speculation is true--if the returns were done by his accountants based on tax laws in effect at that time, then good for him. It would become a non-issue for me.

But it concerns me deeply. Romney's father George put Mitt into a tenuous situation because not only did George release 12 years of tax returns, he made an issue out of the necessity of being transparent.

Imagine the campaign ads to come that will address this hypocracy.

I can't help but believe that there is something here--which does more damage to Mitt's campaign--release or not release--that is the question.

The thing of it is... Romney released ONE incomplete 2010 tax return. I don't think that Romney didn't pay income taxes... it's my belief, he didn't pay enough in tythes to the Mormon church, and I believe his taxes will show, that he still was CEO of Bain when he ran for Governor, and was still CEO of Bain when he was Governor. We won't know anything until he releases his returns. I'm sure he legally paid less taxes than you or I, due to the tax code loopholes. But he needs to do, what his father did, and release 12 years of taxes. He needs to honor the memory of his father and release his taxes.
 

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Yes he does have many yrs of Floppney's Tax Returns which learned people speculate is the very reason that McCain didn't choose him as veep.

He will not be able to get much further without releasing REAL Tax Returns like all his predecessors running for the same office have done.
Not even his bitchy curmudgeon wife can deflect the topic while condescending to speak to the media.
The trouble with the Romney's in general is they think they are set apart from ordinary people, they are the type that will casually brush their hand over their clothing after shaking yours. They seem to be a nice enough family which means they have enough skeletons to fill a cemetery.

Lawrence O'Donell did a scathing report on this very topic last night, will see if I can find it online.


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Yes he does have many yrs of Floppney's Tax Returns which learned people speculate is the very reason that McCain didn't choose him as veep.

He will not be able to get much further without releasing REAL Tax Returns like all his predecessors running for the same office have done.
Not even his bitchy curmudgeon wife can deflect the topic while condescending to speak to the media.
The trouble with the Romney's in general is they think they are set apart from ordinary people, they are the type that will casually brush their hand over their clothing after shaking yours. They seem to be a nice enough family which means they have enough skeletons to fill a cemetery.

Lawrence O'Donell did a scathing report on this very topic last night, will see if I can find it online.


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Romney wants us to trust him, and his record at Bain, and with his tax records. He won't even respect the memory of his father and release at least 12 years of tax returns, as his father did. Can anyone sue, Romney to release them? Just asking
 

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I tend to agree, that Romney's refusal to release his records is actually hurting his campaign, but he may still release them. On his schedule. Control the situation, and all that.

Can't find the reference right now, but a few months ago Romney said that, if he became the nominee, he *would* release his tax records.

Remember, he's not *officially* the nominee, until the convention, which hasn't happened yet. It's obvious he's going to be the nominee, but it's not *official* just yet.
 

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Technically he did say that...I remember it. But why he's not reminding people of that fact is odd. Perhaps he trusts that the American people aren't a bunch of idiots with short memories?

Whatever his reason, it *does* seem to be hurting his campaign. It's obvious. So, why is he doing it?

THAT is the $64,000 question.
 

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He may be afraid that it could turn into an "open" convention if the public saw what was in 12 years of returns. He could have a revolt on his hands if it became apparent that they have not a hope in hell of winning with this guy.

To take the heat he has been getting for the past year on this tax return issue, there has to be something really bad in there. A few days ago I read one opinion that it is totally possible and legal for him to have paid no taxes whatsoever in 2007-2009 during the recession when people at that level of income could easily show investment losses. It wouldn't unusual or illegal, but the optics would suck for the Romneys.
 

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Former Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis discussed Romney's MA record with Rachel Maddow tonight - Democratic Underground
What Michael Dukakis said about what Mitt did in Mass as Governor. He left it in a shambles, is what the former Governor said on Rachel Maddow.

Actually....No. Romney's campaign & spoke-people & Mrs.Romney said they won't be releasing anymore tax returns. Mrs.Romney called doing so: "Ammunition". Which speaks volumes on the content of their tax returns. BTW... Romney's 2010 tax return was incomplete. And for the record... The Romney's refer to their income taxes as:"taxes " & not "income taxes". Listen to what they are not saying:"Income-taxes ".
 

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But if his intention is to release therm after the convention, why not at least say that again now? By holding on so tightly, its really only hurting him.

Some past Presidential candidates have done this...But only because their fate were to be decided by their Party at the Convention. Romney is the unofficial Nominee with a hand picked running-mate. Which means...Game on
 

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Actually....No. Romney's campaign & spoke-people & Mrs.Romney said they won't be releasing anymore tax returns. Mrs.Romney called doing so: "Ammunition". Which speaks volumes on the content of their tax returns. BTW... Romney's 2010 tax return was incomplete. And for the record... The Romney's refer to their income taxes as:"taxes " & not "income taxes". Listen to what they are not saying:"Income-taxes ".

You may be right, but I have never heard a layman who is not a CPA refer to their annual cut to the IRS as anything but "taxes." Have you asked a random person to tell you what they call their annual trip to the tax preparation office? You will probably get "Pay my taxes" or "Do my taxes" or some variation.

Mr. Romney saying he doesn't want to provide ammunition to his opponents doesn't speak volumes, he's stating a fact. You can spin anything any way you want, and with hard numbers on a federal form you can make everything look bad..or conversely make everything look good and legal. Problem is, while you're focusing on the "ammunition" you're not focusing on the fixes to our country each side is proposing which are actually important.

As to the opening question about Senator McCain releasing what he has on Mr. Romney..it's illegal. That's the same reason Senator Reid cannot release whatever his source has provided.

I think this hurts Mr. Romney because of the mentality that by not releasing it he's hiding something, but it is his personal finances and he's entitled to decline to present them to the scrutiny of his opponents.

It's a principled stand and I support it, just as I supported President Obama's refusal to submit his birth records to the ridiculous "Birther" movement. When the President released it, basically under pressure, I was disappointed..because that group scrutinized his record as if it were a recently emerged Da Vinci painting, and went on and on with discrepancy after discrepancy to prove it was a forgery. They're still at it, and it's a non-issue.
 
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If Romney is in any way a "tax cheat" then we just hired thousands of new IRS agents and if there's a problem it can be handled in the proper channels. If they IRS hasn't charged Romney, then its a non-issue. This is almost a ridiculous as the birth certificate issue but not quite.
 
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If Romney is in any way a "tax cheat" then we just hired thousands of new IRS agents and if there's a problem it can be handled in the proper channels. If they IRS hasn't charged Romney, then its a non-issue. This is almost a ridiculous as the birth certificate issue but not quite.

If you think it's about him being a cheat you're missing the point and probably intentionally.
 

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Romney has mentioned yesterday, that he did take a look at his tax returns & his new claim is that he paid no more than 13% in taxes based on his income, whatever that happens to be, since most of his $$$ is tied up in off shore, and foreign bank accounts, where the IRS can't touch them. He even has an IRA, which has a limit of $6500.00, except in Romney's IRA is an excess of $100,000.00 in it. Mind you...This is revealed in his partial return of 2010. He still expects us to trust him, to take him at his word. Which the question begs...Why should we, since all of his problems of vetting when he ran for Governor of Mass. And Ryan seems to not know which state that was? He indicated at their first rally, that Mitt was Governor of Virginia.
BTW, 13% is much, much, much lower rate in taxes that most rich people pay. Since according to the IRS tax code is set at 33%. Under Reagan the tax code was higher which was nearly at the 50% rate.
 
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If Romney is in any way a "tax cheat" then we just hired thousands of new IRS agents and if there's a problem it can be handled in the proper channels. If they IRS hasn't charged Romney, then its a non-issue. This is almost a ridiculous as the birth certificate issue but not quite.

It isn't a non-issue as you suggest. Since 1968, when his father ran for President he established the rule of thumb of releasing 12 yrs of returns. Only because George Romney was one of the firt true wealthy men, running for high office. Willard should at least honor his father, and release the same amount. I really don't have to prove what George Romney did, since it is a matter of record & since my interest in politics started at the same time. I'm a veteran of many a political fight since I worked for RFK.