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McCain: Obama Policies Socialist

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 1BiGG1, Oct 18, 2008.

  1. 1BiGG1

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    And of course they are …

    McCain suggests Obama tax policies are socialist - Yahoo! News

    CONCORD, N.C. – Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of favoring a socialistic economic approach by supporting tax cuts and tax credits McCain says would merely shuffle wealth rather than creating it.

    "At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."
     
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    "another government giveaway"...kind of like the economic stimulus check?...that didn't work...
     
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    But I thought the current Republican platform included socialism?
     
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    Hey, wait a second. Does this mean McCain thinks Bush and Paulson are socialists because they partly nationalized US banks to save the country's financial system, and avoid a full-scale depression?

    I thought patriotism was doing what is right for your country, even when it goes completely against the old GOP blather about govt is always bad.

    It amazes me to see the liberty republicans grant themselves when it comes to attacking any American whatsoever who happens to disagree with them. A perfect way to ruin a country. And they damn near did. Republicans are showing their true colors in this campaign. They really do not seem to give a damn about what the US actually needs in a serious crisis. The way McCain & Palin are using lies to suggest that Obama pals around with "terrorists" is absolutely, truly, totally offensive--for anybody who actually has to live in the real world, and treat other people fairly and responsibly.

    Has McCain won a Nobel prize in economics, that he suddenly knows how wealth is created and sustained? I thought he had admitted that economics is his weak spot. He's definitely proving that it is with crap like this.

    I think he is exhibiting classic signs of pre-dementia.

     
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    Comrade Bush LOL :biggrin1:

    With all these nationalizations the Republicans are presiding over before the door hits them in the ass on the way out, they are looking pretty socialist.
     
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    Socialism: an all-purpose pejorative the right wing noise machine tries to apply when it has run out of any other ideas.

    Its the swiss army knife of empty criticism.
     
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    A bailout needed because of unforeseen circumstances that is an isolated incident and benefits everybody few with-a-clue worldwide would say was not necessary is one thing, but this in a rational-thinkers mind is a pinch different than Obama’s proposed permanent unfair taxation plan that has socialism pure & simple written all over it.

    The Obama supporters here scream racism frequently even though there was never anything racist in a topic so with their sensitivities so high on such things you would think they could easily spot discrimination when they see it like you know, Obama’s blatant proposals for discrimination using taxation.
     
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    So, let's get this straight. Calling Obama an Arab, referring to him as Hussein, and telling people he's a terrorist isn't being racist? But raising taxes on the wealthy is?

    I'm not sure if I'm supposed to laugh out loud, shake my head in disbelief, or just wait as people spontaneously combust from trying to comprehend such a pure form of sheer ignorance?
     
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    I never said any of those things or anything else racist here but have been called a racist just because the lefties-without-a-clue like calling others a racist I suppose since their labeling me one has zero merit. :rolleyes:

    Now back to unfair taxation = yeah that’s discrimination and there is no two ways about it.
     
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    Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain

    some interesting videos and articles, footage makes it hard to dismiss as propaganda, presented a bit too dramatic of course but there's a campaign going on, what do you do? Are there veterans around here? Maybe they can shed some light on this issue.
     
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    1Bigg!- It doesn't matter anyway. It's all election year hype.

    The USA government and citizenry have spent themselves into a very deep hole and it's time to pay the piper. Higher taxes and lower spending is the only way to climb out of that hole. Canada had to do it in the early 90's and it was some bitter medicine.

    It doesn't matter what any politician, left or right, says. It's pure fantasy to think that you can have lower taxes and maintain or increase spending and solve the problem.

    Face it. The Reagan era of cutting taxes, increasing spending and borrowing to pay for it is OVER. Clinton and Gingrich tried to set ya'll on the right way, but the borrow and spend "conservatives" (I don't think they know the meaning of the word), undid that just as fast as possible.

    "Main Street" and Joe six-pack are no better. Most people have little or no savings, but they have 3 TV's, a shiny (and depreciating) Chevy in the driveway and it's been financed by easy credit.

    Time to buckle down, work like your grandparents did and do with a little less. Get out of debt and pay as you go I say. The party is over.
     
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    I'll take Socialism over Fascism any day. ;)
     
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    Great commentary and some good very-true points but in all fairness Clinton did little except ride out the economic wave Reagan started. A monkey could be sitting in the White House getting blow jobs all day and the economy would have not changed during his years so that doesn’t say much for Clinton there.

    And George Bush’s spending will be years before we see what happens. He did have 9/11 to deal with and I agree with the actions in Afghanistan/Iraq for the value of future dividends.
     
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    And what exactly did Reagan start? Be specific. VERY.
     
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    Where is My Hand out!?????
    I just work and pay my taxes :frown1:



    you know there is SSI and food stamps if you cant work !!!!

    obama or mc cain cant fix things over night its going to take years !!!

    you should have seen this comming at the rate bush spends money !!!

    I never voted for bush.
     
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    The circumstances were known for at least two years and thus were not unforseen. The bailout and nationalization of those private businesses is socialism. Obama's revising a tax structure is not.
     
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    ...............and then there is "corporate" welfare -- which no one seems to talk about........oh I see..........that STIMULATES the economy, while the working poor drudged for 8 years while the Republicans in control of Congress simply didn't put raising the minimum wage as a very high priority in their "contract" with America!!!! Let's "supplement" Exxon Mobil's profit with tax dollars and then scream "socialism" when it's given to the little guy!! Huh! What a joke!
     
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    Just my opinion but I think a lot of people have been hurting during the Bush years. No health insurance, low wages and employers who treat their employees badly. When the words redistribute the wealth are heard these days, I think people think it might be a good thing.
     
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    But. Are they really?

    Florida Boy
     
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    You said it. Dreamer20.

    Florida Boy
     
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    1BIGG1 once again..
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    Not that the horrors this nation was living under during Jimmy Carter were all his fault but the “misery index” (unemployment + inflation) crested 20 percent for the first time since WWII in 1980 and of course after that we saw the longest economic expansion in peacetime history for the next seven years.

    Start there and learn some history and don’t be afraid to look at websites outside of the liberal apologists.
     
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    I don't have to look it up on a website, although that would be better than just posting info with no real proof. I lived every moment of the Reagan era and knew what was going on.

    Again, what did Reagan do to swing the economy in the right direction? Don't expect me to go by your last post you made because it doesn't illustrate anything specific. Your opinion isn't a fact.
     
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    What you don't know is astonishing.

    Reagan BOUGHT his way out of recession thru accumulating MASSIVE debt.
    That is, he BORROWED a shitload of money from future productivity... and spent it on an arms race.

    The Carter economic slowdown was due to the formation of OPEC and their first major manipulation of oil supplies to drive up prices.

    That- and the Bills coming due from both the Vietnam war, and the real beginning of the erosion of US manufacturing thru cheap imports.


    To be clear- BUSH managed to improve economic numbers- for a while, by ALSO borrowing vast sums from the future productivity to fund tax cuts and arms spending.

    Like the Reagan economic numbers- these were FAKE recoveries... just like you thinking you're rich cause you get a new credit card...


    The internet boom was the last REAL economic boom we had... and we have NOTHING to follow that up with... because republican congress' do NOT invest in future technologies.

    The next BIG technologies that will fuel SOME nation's economy are Biotechnology... and Green Energy technology.

    But it probably won't be the U.S. because these are the very nascent technologies republicans have been ignoring.

    The greatest disservice Reagan did was to get the republican party HOOKED on "trickle down" and Free Market de-regulation...
    THAT agenda- pushed by both republicans, and conservative democrats, over the past 30 years is what has lead to this disaster.

    ADD to that the government's tacit and not so tacit complicity in the offshoring of all industry... and the conversion of our economy to one based on financial instruments.... essentially the only growth in GNP is now money BORROWED from future productivity ( which will be based on further borrowing )...


    All in all the culprits are corporate cash influencing congress... short sighted CEO's and politicians... and republican inability to recognize their policies as disastrous...
     
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    I guess I missed it in Obama's policy statements. But according to Merriam-Webster definition socialism is

    socialism

    1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

    Can someone direct me to where Obama is advocating the above? We already know Bush has done item #1 with banking.
     
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    Technically they're trying to link Obama with it through means of his Health Care plan.
     
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    #29 sargon20, Oct 19, 2008
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    Like anything McCain says means anything... McCain doesn't know what he OWN policies are from debate to debate.
     
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