Mcconnell's Coverup

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Every move McConnell and the GOP Senators are making confirms that they want to cover up Trump's wrongdoing -- again.

Everyone knows that Trump is guilty of both Articles of Impeachment. Everyone is watching while the Republicans cover it up.

A very dark day for the rule of law and the Constitution.

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Now that Mitch McConnell has rolled out the rules for President Trump’s impeachment trial, the full dimensions of the Senate majority leader’s efforts to cover up Trump’s bottomless corruption are coming into view. They’re worse than expected, which is really something given McConnell’s long-running devotion to shielding Trump from accountability.

As it happens, the formal legal brief that the White House just released in Trump’s defense itself illustrates the true nature of this attempted coverup as clearly as anyone could ask for.

The big tell in the White House brief
Trump’s legal team has submitted a lengthy brief in his defense that is packed with the same old nonsense. It insists Trump pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden’s activities in Ukraine out of genuine concern over corruption, a reference to Biden’s work as vice president to oust a Ukrainian prosecutor, supposedly to protect his son Hunter.

That narrative is fabricated. And the notion that Trump was genuinely concerned about this invented corruption, as if it were just pure coincidence that Trump also worried he might face Biden in 2020, is laughable on its face.

What’s notable in the White House brief, however, is its treatment of Trump’s conditioning of political acts — a White House meeting and hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid — on Zelensky doing his bidding.

if GOP senators vote as McConnell hopes, they’ll actually be voting to never hear from the people with the most direct knowledge of the very conduct Trump and his defenders say was entirely above reproach. After all, Trump blocked them from speaking to the House as well.

Those GOP senators will be voting to carry Trump’s coverup all the way through to completion.

 

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The whole thing makes me wonder - what kind of dirt does Trump have on McConnell, or is McConnell truly nothing more than a sycophant? Of course, I could ask this of any other elected official that has given the President their absolute support. They all act like they are beholden to him, so either the behavior is self-serving, or he's got dirt on everyone.
 
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It could be that the house could've done a better job of trying to impeach the President instead of trying to rush to judgment.

Where they refused to let Republicans call witnesses or interview the whistle blower. Now all of a sudden they want to call witnesses. That would mean that the Republicans call witnesses too. Are they sure they want tp open that can of worms? That would include calling the whistle blower as a witness as well.

Or are the Democrats banking on the GOP' not allowing any extra witnesses?
 

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It could be that the house could've done a better job of trying to impeach the President instead of trying to rush to judgment.

Where they refused to let Republicans call witnesses or interview the whistle blower. Now all of a sudden they want to call witnesses. That would mean that the Republicans call witnesses too. Are they sure they want tp open that can of worms? That would include calling the whistle blower as a witness as well.

Or are the Democrats banking on the GOP' not allowing any extra witnesses?

The whistleblower is irrelevant to the process. First hand witnesses and evidence is available. Personally, I have no problem with Biden or his son testifying - when the bluff is called, Trump's tent will fold. Clearly what we are seeing is a sham, and the GOP will pay at the polls in November.
 
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The whistleblower is irrelevant to the process. First hand witnesses and evidence is available. Personally, I have no problem with Biden or his son testifying - when the bluff is called, Trump's tent will fold. Clearly what we are seeing is a sham, and the GOP will pay at the polls in November.

Totally irrelevant indeed. Everything the whistle-blower said turned out to be 100% true and corroborated by many witnesses that the corrupt as hell GOP and their enablers want to hide.

Some good questions from an ex-Republican Jennifer Rubin:

Voters with a passing familiarity with the facts and the coverup (Trump’s and the Senate’s) will ask some pesky questions:
  • Senator, Republicans keep saying Trump couldn’t be impeached unless charged with a crime, but didn’t Republicans’ own expert lawyer, Jonathan Turley, say that was wrong? (“While I believe that articles of impeachment are ideally based on well-defined criminal conduct, I do not believe that the criminal code is the effective limit or scope of possible impeachable offenses.”)
  • Senator, can you really ask a foreign country to come up with dirt on a domestic rival? What if your opponent tried that in your election?
  • Why wouldn’t you allow witnesses and documents? How can that EVEN be called a trial?
  • Senator, do you believe President Trump (who has kept his business going, steered business to his properties, allowed his children’s conflicts of interests to persist, indicated interest in repealing anti-bribery laws, hobnobbed with corrupt oligarchs) was just trying to root out corruption in Ukraine? Why did he only mention Burisma and the Bidens in his call with Ukraine’s president?
  • Holding back aid to Ukraine broke the law, according to an independent government agency. Why did you think this was no big deal?
  • Did the president do something wrong in holding up aid to Ukraine until he got political help from a foreign government? Should we just “get over it”?
  • Why was the “ask” from Ukraine an announcement of an investigation and not a real investigation? If the president thought something was wrong, why did he not go straight to the FBI?

In sum, the “nothing matters, just lie” mode of politics only applies within the Trump cult. As soon as you leave the bubble to encounter voters, the media or opponents who know better, your talking points make you sound dumb or corrupt or both.

That is what Republicans should contemplate: How the heck am I going to defend this to the people back home? Trump’s attorneys are giving them no fig leaves or explanations that can pass the laugh test.

How are Senate Republicans supposed to defend their impeachment vote?

 

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The whistleblower is irrelevant to the process. First hand witnesses and evidence is available. Personally, I have no problem with Biden or his son testifying - when the bluff is called, Trump's tent will fold. Clearly what we are seeing is a sham, and the GOP will pay at the polls in November.

(Clearly what we are seeing is a sham, and the GOP will pay at the polls in November.)

This is exactly what i think the general plan was/is by democrats in office. They knew republicans and conservatives would do any and everything they could to protect trump. They've shown about as much over the past three years. I think that's the plan. Allow republicans and conservatives to fully without any doubt what so ever...hang themselves.

It's not just trump's influence that's in danger. It's republicans and conservatives all across the country who are in danger too. This whole thing is historic. And republicans and conservatives had an insane amount of chances to play any of this fairly. And they cheated the entire way through in full view of every last intelligent and morally upright human being on the planet.

Trump is without doubt guilty. Even admitting to it multiple times. And republicans and conservatives still lied, cheated and stole for him. None of the facts are on their side. None of the moral answers are on their side. And they can't run from this one.
 

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Republicans aren't going to pay for any of this in the fall.

Their message is going to be that the house rushed through their piece, that any witnesses should've been called at that time, and that court challenges should've been filed at that time to the White House's obstruction, and that the house does still have the option to repeal the impeachment in order to continue their investigation and resubmit new articles of impeachment after they've gone through their additional witness testimony / court challenges.

All of those are valid counter-arguments to Dem's requests here.

Now, I do still think that there's already enough evidence presented to find Trump guilty of obstruction of justice at the minimum. His ordering staff to defy subpoenas, moving call records to a private server, etc, it's all textbook obstruction of justice. I don't know how one could argue it isn't (apart from dept of justice arguments that presidents can't be found guilty of obstruction of justice because they are, ala Judge Dredd, "the law").

But I don't think GOP counter moves here are beyond the pale. Yes they are covering for Trump, but that's to be expected.
 
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Republicans aren't going to pay for any of this in the fall.

You may be right and it will be another very very bad omen for the US and the planet. Then again I don't have much hope for humanity or life as we know it on the planet. Fuck Hope.

Madeleine Albright: ‘The things that are happening are genuinely, seriously bad’
 
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The whistleblower is irrelevant to the process. First hand witnesses and evidence is available. Personally, I have no problem with Biden or his son testifying - when the bluff is called, Trump's tent will fold. Clearly what we are seeing is a sham, and the GOP will pay at the polls in November.


Of course the whistleblower isn't irrelevant. He/ she supposedly has first hand information/ knowledge of said conversation.

Nothing more than bitter Democrats trying to correct the election that Hillary lost. I'm not so sure who is going to come out ahead on this one. Remember President Clinton was impeached and won reelection.
The Democrats are going to be sick should history repeat itself with President Trump.
 

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Of course the whistleblower isn't irrelevant. He/ she supposedly has first hand information/ knowledge of said conversation.

Nothing more than bitter Democrats trying to correct the election that Hillary lost. I'm not so sure who is going to come out ahead on this one. Remember President Clinton was impeached and won reelection.
The Democrats are going to be sick should history repeat itself with President Trump.

So glad you guys are finally starting to come out the woodwork. Nothing more than bitter democrats?

Yes, every other Senate impeachment has included witnesses

["Every other impeachment trial the Senate has ever had, including those for other federal officials aside from the two presidential impeachments … has included witnesses," Baldwin said in a Jan. 19, 2020, appearance on WISN-TV’s ‘UpFront’ program.]

Come on. Do democrats even more of a favor and get more confident.
 

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Of course the whistleblower isn't irrelevant. He/ she supposedly has first hand information/ knowledge of said conversation.

There are others with even more crucial first-hand knowledge of the entire sordid scheme, but Trump and his DOJ refuse to let them testify. So your call for witnesses rings pretty hollow.
 

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Of course the whistleblower isn't irrelevant. He/ she supposedly has first hand information/ knowledge of said conversation.

Nothing more than bitter Democrats trying to correct the election that Hillary lost. I'm not so sure who is going to come out ahead on this one. Remember President Clinton was impeached and won reelection.
The Democrats are going to be sick should history repeat itself with President Trump.

As uninformed as usual

President Clinton and for that matter President Nixon was in his SECOND term

They BOTH "won re-election" BEFORE being impeached
 

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Republicans aren't going to pay for any of this in the fall.

Their message is going to be that the house rushed through their piece, that any witnesses should've been called at that time, and that court challenges should've been filed at that time to the White House's obstruction, and that the house does still have the option to repeal the impeachment in order to continue their investigation and resubmit new articles of impeachment after they've gone through their additional witness testimony / court challenges.

All of those are valid counter-arguments to Dem's requests here.

Now, I do still think that there's already enough evidence presented to find Trump guilty of obstruction of justice at the minimum. His ordering staff to defy subpoenas, moving call records to a private server, etc, it's all textbook obstruction of justice. I don't know how one could argue it isn't (apart from dept of justice arguments that presidents can't be found guilty of obstruction of justice because they are, ala Judge Dredd, "the law").

But I don't think GOP counter moves here are beyond the pale. Yes they are covering for Trump, but that's to be expected.


It is great "talking point

However

I have written this before in other threads

It can also explain why Bob Muellor never "went all the way to the Supreme court" to get Trump to testify

It would have taken forever, you would be lucky if the Supreme court had ruled by now , it could have easily been March if not later.

Trumps MO for decades now has always been "who is going to make me"

So even if the SC had ruled, even ruled 9-0 that Trump had to comply it would have been at least 50-50 that he would have just gave them the big middle finger and said to the both SC in particular and the American public in general FOAD and then when there was the outrage you would expect "who is going to make me"

The sad reality is there is no mechanism to make him

Anyone who would defy him and comply is long gone, sycophants like Steven Miller will back him to the end

The most Trumpian of the Trump base will will love that "their man" is standing up to "them" " which in their narrow minds is him standing up for them. IE "That is why we elected him" "he would not take any shit from anyone"
 

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Of course the whistleblower isn't irrelevant. He/ she supposedly has first hand information/ knowledge of said conversation.

Nothing more than bitter Democrats trying to correct the election that Hillary lost. I'm not so sure who is going to come out ahead on this one. Remember President Clinton was impeached and won reelection.
The Democrats are going to be sick should history repeat itself with President Trump.

You are wrong on the facts. The whistleblower, through the course of his job in the WH became aware that the so called 'perfect conversation took place from other staffers who were closer to or in on the call. He interviewed more than a few of them and verified that they all were telling the same story - which was Trump demanding help from a foreign government to influence the election to help him and threatening to delay or cancel aid approved by Congress. The Whistleblower then submitted his report up the 'food chain' and nothing happened. He then reported the incident and that he had reported it to Schiff's committee as well. Once that became public Trump released the aid he had illegally been stopping.

The Whistleblowers account was confirmed by Trump as true and accurate and by Mick Mulvaney. The account is not in dispute it has been established as true. He is entitled to Federal protections from retaliation. End of story.

Clinton was already serving his second term. If Trump is re-elected he won't have a friendly Senate and we'll just impeach him again - no problem.
 

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Y'all make me laugh. As if every American citizen doesn't know that this is all over the 2016 election results.

Everyone knows it. The likelyhood of the senate removing the President from office is far fetched. Although the Democrats wish that would happen. It's a pipe dream. Clinton was impeached but not removed from office. He was acquitted which if they do that for Trump, somebody will be crying hysterically no doubt.
 

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Y'all make me laugh. As if every American citizen doesn't know that this is all over the 2016 election results.

Everyone knows it. The likelyhood of the senate removing the President from office is far fetched. Although the Democrats wish that would happen. It's a pipe dream. Clinton was impeached but not removed from office. He was acquitted which if they do that for Trump, somebody will be crying hysterically no doubt.
Amazing! You never leave your neighborhood but now somehow think you know how everyone thinks.

Do you feel like denying that the GOP sought to delegitimize the results of the 2008 election of Obama?

Republicans tried to flip Electoral College voters too — look at 2008
Trump claims Republicans "never even thought of impeaching" Obama. History tells a different story
A Brief History of GOP Calls for Obama's Impeachment, From Benghazi to Bergdahl
 

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Amazing! You never leave your neighborhood but now somehow think you know how everyone thinks.

Do you feel like denying that the GOP sought to delegitimize the results of the 2008 election of Obama?

Republicans tried to flip Electoral College voters too — look at 2008
Trump claims Republicans "never even thought of impeaching" Obama. History tells a different story
A Brief History of GOP Calls for Obama's Impeachment, From Benghazi to Bergdahl


I don't live in a gated community nor do I have a wall around my house like Speaker Pelosi.

O wait, BORING!
 

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There are others with even more crucial first-hand knowledge of the entire sordid scheme, but Trump and his DOJ refuse to let them testify. So your call for witnesses rings pretty hollow.


Then why did they call them in the house? Makes absolutely no sense. Like those basement meetings they had.