I don't know... I keep hearing reference to "winning the wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan... What does victory mean to these people? Is victory possible? Can you really occupy a country, and expect people NOT to rise up. If China pulled into Ohio tomorrow.. and occupied, do you think that in about five minutes there would be several local militias being formed, and people flooding into Ohio from every state surrounding? We can never win over there. You cannot win against a religion or a belief.