Measure 36

Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by findfirefox, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. findfirefox

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    This quoted from Measure 36 in Oregon, I thought it was funny.-

    "Measure 36 Argument in Favor

    CULTURE WAR!
    Traditional values are under attack, and sexual perverts are attempting to strain the definition of marriage far beyond what God has ordained. The Word of the Lord must be legislated as Oregon public policy.
    In the Holy Bible, Saint Paul says that Christians should remain single and abstain from sex. The New Testament says that people should get married only if they are too weak-willed to abstain from sex:
    "It is well for a man not to touch a woman…. It is well … to remain single as I do. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion." (I Corinthians 7:1, 8-9)
    Marriage is not sacred. Marriage is for wimps and sissies!
    Oregon public policy should define marriage in accordance with divinely inspired Scripture. Therefore, marriage licenses should be granted only to those persons who have been certified by professional psychiatric examination to be too weak-willed to abstain from sex.
    Oh, by the way, although Jesus never said a single word condemning homosexuality, if heterosexuals can't get married, homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry either—well, unless they're too weak-willed to abstain. Sissies!
    The sissy institution of marriage must not be perverted by sinners who are capable of abstaining! The sacred union of church and state must prohibit the immoral union of men and women capable of the discipline of sexual abstinence. We are not saved by either faith or good works. We are saved by religious-right legislation!
    Freedom of religion and equal treatment under law is simply the special right to sin, because our tradition is the one and only truth! And our tradition (that is, our personal moral opinions) should become law.
    AGREE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL!
    (This information furnished by M. Dennis Moore, Traditional Prejudices Coalition.)"

    "Argument in Favor

    MARRIAGE IS SACRED!
    The Bible says that marriage is for procreation. God made Adam and Eve, and Adam and Eve made Cain and Abel, not an empty nest.
    Marriage is for procreation. If you're not pro-Creation, you're anti-God. And once a marriage has been solemnized, sex is serious business. The solemnity of sex must not be abused for sinful pleasures. Sex is for procreation, not recreation. And marriage is for breeding purposes.
    Therefore, it should be Oregon public policy that
    • Homosexuals may not marry.
    • Infertile persons may not marry.
    • Men with vasectomies may not marry.
    • Women with hysterectomies may not marry.
    • Post-menopausal women may not marry.
    • Persons planning to use birth control may not marry.
    • Non-virgins may not marry (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).
    • Inter-racial couples may not marry (Deuteronomy 7:3).
    And couples who fail to conceive within two years ought to have their marriage licenses revoked.
    Additionally, the Bible says that
    • Divorced persons may not marry (Luke 16:18).
    • And if a man dies without leaving a male heir, it is his brother's responsibility to impregnate the widow (Genesis 38:6-10). If he refuses, he shall be fined one shoe (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).
    This is the sacred word of the Lord, steadfast and unchanging.
    Traditional morality must become Oregon public policy. All of it. And the older the tradition, the better. The separation of church and state be damned. In order to protect the sanctity of marriage and the sacred institution of heterosexual procreation, unequal treatment and discrimination must be legislated consistently against all persons who cannot or will not breed as God intended. It is God's will that we multiply and fill the Earth and finally subdue it when the population explosion self-implodes. Praise God!
    Love is not good enough a reason to marry, because marriage is only for
    HETEROSEXUALBREEDING.COM
    (This information furnished by M. Dennis Moore, Defense of Heterosexual Breeding Coalition.)"



    -http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/nov22004/guide/meas/m36_fav.html



    Read em' for yourself.
     
  2. Gillette

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2006
    Messages:
    8,309
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    14
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Nova Scotia
    One shoe?
     
  3. findfirefox

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Don't ask me, I did not do the highlighting/bold of the text it was pulled that way.

    I also think if the Husband dies the brother must impregnate the widow, is just, wow.

    These funny bible people.
     
  4. Lex

    Lex
    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,536
    Likes Received:
    16
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    In Your Darkest Thoughts and Dreams
    Looks like there wouldn't be anyone in our country who could get married, if these rules were in place. :rolleyes:
     
  5. findfirefox

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    The first argument says that marriage is for people who can't hold out (So they want hummans to die off) and the second one goes into marriage is ONLY for making babys, and thats all.

    Bible = The book of FUN!
     
  6. Lex

    Lex
    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2004
    Messages:
    9,536
    Likes Received:
    16
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    In Your Darkest Thoughts and Dreams
    Well I could not hold out and I made babies.

    Can I marry a man now?
     
  7. findfirefox

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Nope, though people in this state are losing patients with the bible pushers, especially after things like this. (It works against them)

    Though if you go back in the past, Multnomah County did allow homosexual marriages to take place, though the state quickly took that away saying "they over stepped their bounds."

    We just need a little more time.
     
  8. rhino_horn

    rhino_horn New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2006
    Messages:
    350
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    east coast-usa
    sorry my good friend,
    lemme just fix that for you...


    *and you're misinformed if you think otherwise...:smile:
     
  9. findfirefox

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    But, But! BUT! The Bible! Look Look!

    *Starts frantically flailing around*
     
  10. rhino_horn

    rhino_horn New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2006
    Messages:
    350
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    east coast-usa
    sweetness...i didnt say that wasnt what the bible said...i just corrected your statement about the bible being the unchanged word of god...when you can ask ANY priest/bishop/POPE if the modern bible(not the word of god) is a duplicate of/anything like the original bible(word of god), and he WILL tell you NO. then he'll probably go into a long story about how he's got bills to pay and he needed a job..blah blah blah<----my experience.
     
  11. findfirefox

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    "He's got bills to pay"? Well your priest sounds... interesting to say the least.
     
  12. rhino_horn

    rhino_horn New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2006
    Messages:
    350
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    east coast-usa
    he wasnt my priest, he was a local priest. i was never christian, thanks be to god, i was born into a "free" family.
     
  13. B_Stronzo

    B_Stronzo New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2005
    Messages:
    4,730
    Likes Received:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Plimoth Plantation
    How dare they use "culture" and "war" in the same sentence.

    It's pure contradicition in their context unless perhaps they're waging one ON culture.

    In Massachusetts you can... (however for a limited time only I suspect):redface:
     
  14. SpeedoGuy

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2004
    Messages:
    4,229
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Pacific Northwest, USA
  15. ClaireTalon

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    1,947
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Puget Sound
    Well, so be it, I am a sissy who is too weak-willed to abstain from sex. But sometimes that's just much more fun than being one of these shitheads.
     
  16. madame_zora

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2004
    Messages:
    10,252
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Ohio
    Well, the link's broken to the site where you got that, but I read it as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Sounds like someone making fun of fundies, which is easy enough to do.

    If I'm wrong, which I could be, then what it actually says is right, according to the Bible. Of course, anyone who takes the word of Paul for anything more than noise will miss anything of value that could be gleaned from the Bible.
    Sorry chumps, there is no such thing as "the sanctity of marriage", marriage is offered (by Paul) only as a way to save the weak who cannot maintain a life of abstinence from a life of eternal damnation. You wonder why I loathe this guy.

    The message seems farcical to me, it's too well spelled to be an actual fundie posting.
     
  17. D_Elijah_MorganWood

    D_Elijah_MorganWood New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2005
    Messages:
    5,361
    Likes Received:
    6
    "Homosexual men, on average ingest the fecal material of 23 different men per year."
    (OCA fundraising letter, 1992)


    I needed a good laugh today. I've yet to understand how the fundies can pick and choose scriptures to further their agenda. Let's stone some virgins while we're at it. The whole thing smacks of tongue in cheek. I'd better start eating shit. I'm way behind.
     
  18. DC_DEEP

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2005
    Messages:
    9,029
    Likes Received:
    12
    <sigh> As evidenced in the Landover Baptist Church thread, sometimes the lines between scathing satire and actual fundie-psycho belief are so blurred, even the lenses of the Hubble Telescope can't bring 'em into focus. I doubt there is any more complete collection of "manufactured research" than the library of the Westboro Baptist Church... and it's for real, not a farcical satire as is the Landover one. Our intelligent members here on LPSG really should give the Westboro site some thorough scrutiny. It's not an easy read, but as the old saying goes about keeping your friends close, and your enemies even closer. The websites of some of these fundie groups have extensive, graphic, sections about "homosexual practices," tossing about invented statistics about how many faggots do this and how many do that, and exactly how they do it... I've seen pornography that's less descriptive. Funny thing about people like Dobson, Phelps, LaHaye, Schlafly, Reed. They claim such abhorrance about us homersekshuls, but they fantasize and obsess about us, to the point that they cannot focus on any other issue. You know, I really can't stand the taste of beets... but I don't sit there with a plate full, gagging on each bite, and complaining about how horrible they are... I just simply don't eat them.
     
  19. Pecker

    Pecker Retired Moderator
    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    83,922
    Likes Received:
    34
    C'mon, guys, it's satire.
     
  20. D_Elijah_MorganWood

    D_Elijah_MorganWood New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2005
    Messages:
    5,361
    Likes Received:
    6
    I go to the Westboro site whenever I need a good gut-busting laugh. Even fundies think they're wackos. Since Phelps and his little posse hate pretty much everyone, they don't have a whole lot of support. I've seen them face to face at Gay Pride. It's always fun taking pictures in front of them. I take Westboro as comic relief. When it's not funny is when they intrude on funerals of fallen soldiers gays or even supporters thereof.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted