- Clod,
What’s wrong with their “stretch technique”? That seems just as suspect a claim as their inflated numbers. If anything, it was just BP or they had the ruler to the side instead of directly on top.
Measured porn stars??
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- Clod,
So I looked into it, & the other researchers’s criticisms of Bondil were that he “stretched three times” before taking the final measurement. I think they’re grasping there, no pun intended. I can stretch my cock as many times as I want & I’m not randomly gonna be able to stretch it an inch farther than the first go. It’s supposed to be maximal stretch anyway. Why would “warm-up” stretches change much?
- Clod,
Neither of these statements is to defend Bondil, either. His data shows a measurement of 27 cm (10.7 inches) stretched length.
His data was definitely inflated, but certainly not just because he stretched each person three times.
Is this thread now “hey measure some random dude that wants to shift the conversation to their cock?”
there are 50 other threads for that
- Narz,
And if you look deeper into it they criticized it in the first place because they didn't account for the fact that their NBP measurements are obviously smaller than a BP measurement.
They were looking for a reason to explain this discrepancy and thus argued that stretching it three times magically makes it bigger, while completely missing the obvious explanation that the fat pad makes a huge difference.
Yeah stretching 3 times isn’t suspect I agree. I think it was more he got much higher than the others except Vasconelous or self measured studies. 6.59. It’s pretty confirmed avg NBP (even Western) is 4.9-5.1. Does the average guy really have 1.5 inch fat pad? Maybe cause of Western diet?
I didn’t see that about the 10.7 stretched LOL. Yeah that pretty much disqualifies his data imo.
- Clod,
Part of the problem with the “stretched length” studies is that they vastly underestimate length. This study shows that a very high level of stretching force is needed (450 g) to replicate a pharmaceutically-induced erection, & that most researchers won’t pull that hard for fear of hurting the men: https://www.nature.com/articles/3900627.
As much reason as there is for skepticism for Bondil, I think we should be equally skeptical of the claim that all those Italian & Asian men were under 5 inches on average fully erect.
Also, are we really believing that Western cocks are 6.59 range but Eastern (including the mostly Caucasian Middle East (Turkey, Iran, Israel, etc) are over an inch smaller? If so, that contradicts @Clod assertion that different races don’t have different sizes. (Not gonna open debate in here about that but pointing out)
I think we should be skeptical of outlier data- and I also do so with the smaller outliers.
- Narz,
In the Middle East lots of data is coming from Egypt or Iraq where many people suffer from stunted growth due to malnutrition.
Saudi Arabia as the richest country is similar to the West. Ali & Ali from Saudi Arabia had 5.4" NBP and an average fat pad of 0.75" so about 6.1" BP, while Habous from Egypt had 5.6" BP.
Chen 2000, the Israel study, was done on 55 men with ED, which is weird that CalcSD included it as they excluded other ED-only studies and only used the non-ED subsets for other studies. In their dataset list you can see it whenever it says Control, Group A, no-ED, etc. For example:
Vasconcelos had an overall average of 6.37" for their 105 participants, but CalcSD uses the 6.54" average of the 30 non-ED participants.
For Awwad they used the 5.3" non-ED average and ignored the 4.5" ED average. For Kamel they used the 5.1" non-ED average and ignored the 4.4" ED average.
But then they included ED-only studies like Chen and Acuna (which also counted it as erect enough to get measured at 70% hardness) that are unsurpisingly well below the other studies.
- Clod,
Do you think the fact that CalcSD uses mostly stretched length, when potentially most clinicians aren’t using the sufficiently strong force required to approximate full erection, might invalidate CalcSD’s entire average? Do you think 5.1 is average, or could it be more like 5.7?
There was also a Vietnamese study (also a poorer country) which showed I believe a 6.3 BPEL. Why is their data bigger than Egypt? Also, some studies showed opposite in terms of ED, and men with ED had longer erect length/girth.
Another point about Bondils data: In the study, men aged 20-40 had average flaccid NBP of close to 4.5 inches and BPFS of 7.04 inches. It’s anecdotal but I’m skeptical of this because my flaccid dick is 4-4.25 and I’ve been in a ton of locker rooms, Saunas, etc and I’m a lot longer than most guys flaccid. Additionally do you believe the average 21-40 year old is packing 7 inch BP?
For BP or NBP? CalcSD has global average of 5.5 BPEL and Western of 5.7.
I believe they include data for *both* BPEL and BPSL.
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- Clod,
Oh ok I was thinking it was almost all stretched. They even include clearly exaggerated studies too, so I spose it might balance out.
- Clod,
Bondils is nonsense. The huge flaccid size, the huge average, & the dude with an almost 11-incher don’t add up.
& yes, contrary to popular belief, some studies show men with ED are in fact bigger on average. Ig we also have Jack, Shane, Holmes, Sly, & plenty of others in porn who can back that up
It’s very difficult to decipher. There’s differing measurements and sample bias. I’m hoping for another American study using pharmaceutical injections and measuring both NBPEL and BPEL. The difficulty is sample bias. I’m not sure how to eliminate it other than to specifically advertise towards subsets of Large, medium and small guys to participate. Then they could take the means of small guys + medium + large.
AgreedBondils is nonsense. The huge flaccid size, the huge average, & the dude with an almost 11-incher don’t add up.
& yes, contrary to popular belief, some studies show men with ED are in fact bigger on average. Ig we also have Jack, Shane, Holmes, Sly, & plenty of others in porn who can back that up
- Clod,
The only way around sample bias would be some sort of large-scale ED drug trial or something.
What would you personally guess the American average is?
I think average NBP is US is around 5 give or take 0.1. I think there are a lot of fat men here and so at least a 1 inch fat pad depth= 6-6.25 BPEL (6.5 max)
You?
