Melissa Etheridge Rails Against Prop8 Ban. Wont Pay Taxes

[tripod]

I've always wanted to fuck her. I loves them meaty thighs!!!!! :tongue:

 

[dreamer20]

Who gives a rats ass about your dna? Most people in the country have some indian in them. Yes they deserve everything they have now. I dont know how you took this thread from Melissa Etheride to Indian bashing. Please go start an indian bashing thread. Thank you.

:hijacked:

While you wait for him to post on topic, here's your thread hijacker's view of gay activists:

... many of my social views are in line with the "religious right." I don't hate gays... I think the idea of a gay lifestyle or gay movement is silly--it's just a preference, such as liking blueberries more than strawberries...

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

Ok. I have to vent a bit here. I am drinking coffee and have Fox News on. Prop 8 is being discussed by that anchor Megan -- (?? can't remember her last name). Of course, being Fox News, Megan is interviewing a very socially conservative "legal scholar".

What strikes he first is that under the interview at the bottom of the screen is the caption: "61% of Californians came out in support of Prop 22".

Ok. This is true. However, no mention is made that Prop 22 was the constitutional amendment voted on 8 YEARS AGO -- and that Tuesday's vote, the Prop 8 "yes" vote, received only 52% support. That is a dramatic difference in 8 years (proving support for banning gay marriage is slowly eroding).

So, anyway, I am watching this Megan anchor and this "legal scholar" (with the 61% stat at the bottom of the screen) and the scholar is telling us that we should all be wary that the activist judges on the CA Supreme Court don't try to "overturn the will of the people". The legal scholar says, in his opinion, that the previous 18,000 gay marriages conducted between May and now are "probably invalid... Those licenses have no force any longer. It'd be as if you or I were to write our own license now. It's illegal".

Don't know why I watch Fox News. I like to scope out what the opposition is up to I guess. But the info is so palpably skewed and I always get riled up.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Ok. I have to vent a bit here. I am drinking coffee and have Fox News on. Prop 8 is being discussed by that anchor Megan -- (?? can't remember her last name). Of course, being Fox News, Megan is interviewing a very socially conservative "legal scholar".

What strikes he first is that under the interview at the bottom of the screen is the caption: "61% of Californians came out in support of Prop 22".

Ok. This is true. However, no mention is made that Prop 22 was the constitutional amendment voted on 8 YEARS AGO -- and that Tuesday's vote, the Prop 8 "yes" vote, received only 52% support. That is a dramatic difference in 8 years (proving support for banning gay marriage is slowly eroding).

So, anyway, I am watching this Megan anchor and this "legal scholar" (with the 61% stat at the bottom of the screen) and the scholar is telling us that we should all be wary that the activist judges on the CA Supreme Court don't try to "overturn the will of the people". The legal scholar says, in his opinion, that the previous 18,000 gay marriages conducted between May and now are "probably invalid... Those licenses have no force any longer. It'd be as if you or I were to write our own license now. It's illegal".

Don't know why I watch Fox News. I like to scope out what the opposition is up to I guess. But the info is so palpably skewed and I always get riled up.

You're too cute for Faux News. Don't do that to yourself. :biggrin1:

 

[houtx48]

I'm not surprised Melissa is acting up. Like that other screaming lesbian Rosie O'Donnell she's very wealthy and has nothing but time to throw tantrums. If she had 5 kids and a State to run like Sarah Palin she'd probably have a lot less time to "rail."................................. if she were palin she's be shoppin at neman's on someone elses dime.

 

[invisibleman]

I see your point and Im sorry if I went to far here. But it breaks my heart that I cant get married to a man I love with my heart and soul. I hope you can feel my pain. :scared1:

Sam Harris feels the same way and he actually got married Tuesday to his partner of thirteen years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCuKjuQmmJg

Damn, I wish I had a hot partner to share my life with. All I have is me.:frown1:

 

[tripod]

Damn, I wish I had a hot partner to share my life with. All I have is me.:frown1:

It must be hard to find an equal when you are as awesome yourself.

I'm gonna be a lonely (I like to be alone :smile old man myself and I am straight... I do what I want to when I want to, partners are overrated.

I've got a brother who is my best friend and two ex girlfriends, one who I am SUPER close to. Screw society and their partnerships. I don't need a partner to enjoy my life. I am like a grown up 12 year old and that has always been my goal.

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

She's expressing an opinion.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

I was making a point to jason that she can scream and rant her opinion but it isn't going to change things. People in this country scream nonstop but don't get mobilized to make change happen.

I still wonder how "unique whatever it is" expects a proud nation to conform to his/her views when the nation has been stomped into the earth, and stripped of it's dignity and identity. People who have been crushed into the dust seldom rise up to be what you want them to be.

It seems like the government enjoyed sticking the tribal nations on the most desolate land far from civilization.

 

[London_Calling]

I was making a point to jason that she can scream and rant her opinion but it isn't going to change things. People in this country scream nonstop but don't get mobilized to make change happen.

I still wonder how "unique whatever it is" expects a proud nation to conform to his/her views when the nation has been stomped into the earth, and stripped of it's dignity and identity. People who have been crushed into the dust seldom rise up to be what you want them to be.

It seems like the government enjoyed sticking the tribal nations on the most desolate land far from civilization.

So you believe that if you don't see change immediately people should stop their screaming & ranting, remain silent and just be happy with their lot? Fuck that! I want people to scream & rant against injustice and even if it's only one voice but somebody is listening, that voice may become two voices, then twenty voices, two hundred voices, then more & more until somebody who is in a position to make change may finally sit up & take notice. Change may not happen in your lifetime but without that initial voice there is no hope of justice.

Nobody in their right mind believes that Melissa Etheridge is going to refuse to pay taxes but she's making a point and a very good one too.

If all you do is tut, raise your eyebrows and remain silent when laws like this are passed a change ain't gonna happen. Somethings you have to fucking fight for in life, either for yourselves or future generations. I'm gonna leave this world kicking, screaming & ranting!

 

[eddyabs]

I for one hope, that this is just a temporary setback for LGTB rights in the United States. We are incredibly lucky here in the United Kingdom, as we have achieved only recently equal ages of consent, the Gender Recognition Act (allowing Transexual and Transgendered folk to change their legal sex), and of course the Civil Partnership Act giving equal rights of marriage to LGTB people, including the adoption of children.

Public surveys recently taken in the United Kingdom showed a range of between 80 and 90% supporting the outlawing of discrimination on the grounds of sexual discrimination.

Compared to the States, we are a small country, highly populated and so closer together. I wonder if the United States were more condensed, so as that the population lived in closer proximity to each other, that this would have a beneficial effect on the general attitude towards sexual orientation?

I have always wondered whether this is the case here in the UK, we are tightly bound by the same laws, we have fewer media outlets, everything is more local, we even experience (pretty much) the same weather patterns. We don't have thousands of miles between each other, only tens and hundreds.

Do you think that this is (at least part of) the reason why the vast majority of the public here in the UK so strongly support LGTB rights?

I just can't believe that in this day and age, in the land of the Free, a developed Democratic country, that most LGTB people are still not able to reap the benefits of a civil union. It's heartbreaking for you guys, and I hope that the Sun breaks through for you soon.

Please don't take this lying down, protest and raise your voices.

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

So you believe that if you don't see change immediately people should stop their screaming & ranting, remain silent and just be happy with their lot?

I never said that, and you should stop trying to put words in people's mouths. I said that if they don't organize and take action you aren't going to have change. You'll just have a lot of hot air.

 

[EagleCowboy]

Jason, our land was taken, our way of life was taken, often times we've been left in poverty. When oil was found on Indian land, the government allowed the oil companies to underpay the royalties. Not to mention how many of our people were slaughtered so white people could live on our land.
Our burial grounds have been raided for museums and colleges. Our dead have been dug up and put on display.

That's just for starters!! The BIA is a joke. HATE dealing with them. The government owes us BILLIONS and if we ever decide to call in the note, (which we still may) it will bankrupt the US. The US did it's first biological warfare on us by giving us blankets infected with smallpox. The list goes on. PRIME example of what not having an education will get you.

We're not talking about the atrocities committed on another continent, we're talking about the ones committed here. Everyone's family has some history of atrocity somewhere.

Have all the tribes started an Indian-wide PAC or lobby or media activist group? It would seem to me that the only way Indians can get their message out is to unite in a single voice. I know a few tribes have made a lot of money on casinos but that most are dirt poor. Can those with money help those without? Are there lingering reasons why that couldn't happen? When it comes to civil rights in this country it's plainly obvious that no single group can count on any other for support.

It's kinda too late to save us now anyway. All of the Native American Indians are a dying race. In 200 years, we will all be gone. Just a memory of the past. There are about 400,000 or less Cherokees now. And we are the largest Indian nation. Our languages stopped evolving 60 years ago. While we do get our money from casinos and what little we get for oil, it helps, but it's not even close to what people think it is. How many Indians do you see living in $300,000 houses in Tulsa? There are many of us like myself that have never wanted to receive a dime from our nations even though we easily could.

One thing we have done is that the Cherokee Nation recently told the US government to get lost. We are one of 5 sovereign nations and internationally recognized. We even made the government recognize our own tribal license plates.
Many years ago, the government forced everyone but them (U.S.) to absorb their slaves into their tribes, etc. Even the Black people got told to absorb all their slaves. It didn't hurt anyone to do so, but the US government didn't make their people absorb their slaves. Just turned them loose and out. Anyway, fast forward through the years while the US government does little things here and there to make us fewer and fewer. So recently, the Cherokee council decided with the vast approval of it's people, to reclaim our once great and proud heritage, before we blink out of existence. So everyone that could not prove their bloodline got kicked out. Did everyone that got kicked out get left on their own? No. We forced the U.S. government to absorb them.

As far as the Native American tribes helping each other out, we do when we can. We just don't like asking for help. It saddens many of us to know that while Americans are a great race, they will never be a proud race.

 

[TheRob]

I don't think prop 8 is right


But she does not have the right to decide not to pay her taxes...unless she does not mind going to jail....which she indeed should if she fails to pay.




p.s. i hate her music

realistically her entire claim is flawed tho
she does have the same right as any other American, she has the EXACT same right
what she wants is to modify the right
we all have the right to mary a member of the oposite sex
legally her argument is only valid if STRAIGHT men or STRAIGHT women are permitted to mary other members of thier own sex
not saying I thin it's right morally but LEGALLY she has no true argument

 

[mindseye]

realistically her entire claim is flawed tho
she does have the same right as any other American, she has the EXACT same right
what she wants is to modify the right
we all have the right to mary a member of the oposite sex
legally her argument is only valid if STRAIGHT men or STRAIGHT women are permitted to mary other members of thier own sex
not saying I thin it's right morally but LEGALLY she has no true argument

Bullshit.

She doesn't have the right to marry the person who makes her happy. It's bogus to pretend that her right to marry people not of her choosing is an equal right.

 

[uniqueusername]

Bullshit.

She doesn't have the right to marry the person who makes her happy. It's bogus to pretend that her right to marry people not of her choosing is an equal right.

If it made a straight woman happy to marry another woman, she wouldn't have that right either.

So... how are they not equal?

 

[faceking]

Her music still sucks azz.