Men are on the prowl!

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  1. Principessa

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    Todays Dr. Phil focused on men who are looking to meet and date more women. It seems some men are willing to pay big bucks for advice on how to seduce women.

    Women beware: Men are on the prowl! Some guys win your heart and dupe you for thousands of dollars, while other men learn the slick techniques of pick-up artists so they can get you in the sack! Go inside a classroom where single men are being taught The Mystery Method -- a step-by-step technique on how to meet, attract and date beautiful women. The instructors say this method teaches guys to be more confident. When the students hit the bars, will The Mystery Method help them land a lady? What do the women think of their techniques? Then, meet Ross Jeffries, the self-proclaimed "Father of Seduction." He says he’s taught thousands of men to seduce women through language. Now he fears that he’s created monsters, because many of his followers are seducing woman through deception, and he says that’s exactly what The Mystery Method is all about. A heated debate ensues between Ross and The Mystery Method instructors, Nick and Scott. Is Ross’ technique actually as benign as he claims?

    Here's my question:
    Women - would you be upset if you found out that your current boyfriend/husband/fiance/whatever took one of these workshops?

    Men - would you feel like a total failure if you took one of these workshops?

    Would you tell your single, male friends about the workshops?
     
  2. lucky8

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    women have been doing this for years.
     
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    true dat!
     
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    yeah- every issue of Cosmo and half the issues of Oprah...



    As for me...
    I am uninterested in women who fall prey to technique.

    I never went after a woman for a fuck.... I always wanted something more.

    And, that being the case, I have always been very direct about my interests and my attractions.

    I have no skill at all at flirtation... instead, I am simply honest.


    When I met the woman I am with these last 15 years, I told her flat out that I would walk away from everything I had to be with her.
    That she would be the one great love of my life.

    I meant every word.

    I don't want to put on a scam to get a woman... for the night...

    I might as well be myself since that is what she will have to put up with in the morning.
     
  5. Jovial

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    I wish I had seen this episode.
    No, but I would feel like a total failure if I didn't know how to get dates with women.
    Not sure. Maybe some of them.
     
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    Total failure for taking the workshop ? No, the workshop is what it is ? The motives of those taking the course only those people can own those. Seducing women to leave them after telling them what they want to hear might create size queens, lesbians and whatever else ? There's enough of that already going around and the skilled at it leave enough aftermath of wrecked lives in their wake to deal with. Being a nice guy never got anyone, anywhere in life in a lot of things either, but it can get you trust and respect, even friendship, although maybe that isn't the goal of the woman you're attempting to seduce ? Yeah, at the end of the day you sleep better and feel better about yourself. But in the end, competing and winning the social games is what it's about to be more successful in the material aspects of your life. And don't take that the wrong way, but let's face it, people are tight lipped about their strategies in business and social dealings. It's a reason why some don't worry about how they'll retire, even how they live their lives along the way. Take the Donald (Trump), yeah, he probably misses Ivana some days, but for the most part, he may not even think about her at all ? Take Paul McCartney, it goes both ways for men and women:

    Heather Mills can't let it be
    Judge roasts Heather Mills in McCartney divorce hearing

    some people aren't gracious winners or losers ? Depending upon perspective of what they win or lose ?

    As for telling other men ? I think I'd steer anyone away from the course, be genuine in your one on one dealings. That way you really may find that someone you can work with over a lifetime ? Be yourself and true to yourself, because in the end the significant other will find this out anyway.

    The other side of the coin is that if the workshop is used for good in terms of better expressing one's self, gaining confidence and so forth, there are positives one could get from it. But I think for the most part ulterior motives and selfishness would rule out the good. Besides, there is no formula in my opinion, trading out in flesh on lies, might get immediate returns/desirable results, but in the end, well, there's enough bitterness and hatred without exacerbating it with seduction ?
     
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    I read some of the stuff on Dr. Phil's website. They market these courses as ways to get sex with beautiful women, but in reality they aren't so bad. Some of the course is just teaching interesting ways to strike up conversations and hold women's attention. At worst they teach psychological tricks to use when talking with girls.
     
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    I don't give a shit.
    The guy should do whatever he needs to feel most confident. *How* he came by that confidence, like learned sexual skill, is of no concern to me.
     
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    I agree with a lot of what's been said. Women have been receiving similar advice from many different sources. Yet, these classes help give men a confidence, but as with all things, it can be used for a perverse ends. Some men use it towards a good ends, but the same is with women. So, it's all in the intention of the person teaching the class and the people in the class.
     
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    There are so many clueless men out there it's unbelievable. If they would just implement some basic aspects of a desirable personality and hold onto them for life - confidence, a sense of humor, respect etc they'd be absolutely fine. This stuff is just plain common sense, you don't need a course taught by Rick the Slick to understand these things. So yes, I would totally feel like a loser if I had to have such fundamental home truths spoon-fed to me.
     
  11. Principessa

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    :confused::eek: No, we haven't! If there are workshops on how to pick up men I must have missed that decade.

    Those articles in Cosmo and Glamour on "what men really want," are junk, I've never known a woman to take their advice and have success. :redface:

     
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    Sorry NJ... but the fact that YOU don't like the how to get, keep, or seduce a man articles doesn't mean that that is not what they are...


    Cosmo and Oprah are pretty popular magazines... read by millions...
     
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    I can't seem to see a problem with guys going to workshops to learn better ways to talk to and meet women. I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often. It's so remarkably difficult for guys to meet women and get anywhere. Have you ever been to a bar and see how many guys go home alone? They have little chance really. I can't imagine that these workshops are teaching psychological tricks that sway a women's mind--it's not hypnotism. Most of the "tricks" are focused on helping men become more confident and given men strategies for engaging in conversations and not coming off as desperate, inane or boring.

    Dating and meeting people for dates is not something that necessarily comes naturally. I remember giving my brother a book on dating when he was 25 and a virgin and he asked why I gave that to him? I replied, look, dating isn't easy and no one really talks about how to do it and what works well, and no one asks for help--so take what works and leave the rest.
     
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    Well you think it is wrong for guys to find help to get a gal. Then you have a double standard because go to any bar, social club you name it and what do women wear, Fuck me outfits. Women go out and toy with guys until they find one that "meets their standards".

    Meantime they giggle and joke with their friends as to how hard these guys try to get in their pants. They read magazines about what a man want and how to attracked a man.

    So hell yeah I give advice to my single male friends all the time to help them get what they deserve. You gals like to play these games and like to call foul when the guys get wise to your games. To bad you earned it.
     
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    Would you tell your single, male friends about the workshops?[/quote]

    I tell them (and my girlfriends too) about Tom Likus.
     
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    *Stands and applauds*
     
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    I think Dr Phil's gonna need a course or two since his wife has left him and plans to file for a divorce.

    Ironic.
     
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    HEHE
    I think Dr Phil needs a shrink
     
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    I'm with Slant on this one. Also these courses, books and articles are primarily about making money for the authors. If a guy doesn't know who he is, what his positive and negative character traits are, and how to communicate, then he needs to go back to high school and discover them all over again.
     
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    No, high school is one area, having been a target for bullies and abusive teachers, that can erode your confidence and self esteem...better they learn from someone willing to teach them, even if for a few bucks.
     
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