Men staring at their boobs A womens point of veiw

[MASSIVEPKGO_CHUCK]

As a rule for myself, since I get all too many female customers showing a more than generous amount of cleavage, I get a good look b4 they approach me, so I don't come off as a lech. tho you wouldn't believe how tough it is to fill orders when they wear outfits that accentuate their assets and then some.

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Originally posted by petite_asianbabe

I think 'Business sexy' is equivalent to 'sharp dressed man'. And being a business environment I feel those comments and looks are not appropriate.

They might treat you better if you didn't charge 200 a night.

 

[Mr_Clark]

Originally posted by petite_asianbabe@Jun 16 2005, 02:58 AM
I think 'Business sexy' is equivalent to 'sharp dressed man'. And being a business environment I feel those comments and looks are not appropriate.

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I'm not saying that I stare at a woman's breasts while I'm talking to her, or otherwise act inappropriately - but men don't understand why a woman would dress to accentuate something and then expect it not to be stared at. It's a very basic attraction, like someone else said above, and it's nearly autonomic. If I see cleavage, I look at it, it's impossible to stop.

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Originally posted by Mr_Clark
I'm not saying that I stare at a woman's breasts while I'm talking to her, or otherwise act inappropriately - but men don't understand why a woman would dress to accentuate something and then expect it not to be stared at. It's a very basic attraction, like someone else said above, and it's nearly autonomic. If I see cleavage, I look at it, it's impossible to stop.

Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Jun 17 2005, 08:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Jun 17 2005, 08:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mr_Clark
I&#39;m not saying that I stare at a woman&#39;s breasts while I&#39;m talking to her, or otherwise act inappropriately - but men don&#39;t understand why a woman would dress to accentuate something and then expect it not to be stared at. It&#39;s a very basic attraction, like someone else said above, and it&#39;s nearly autonomic. If I see cleavage, I look at it, it&#39;s impossible to stop.

Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

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Wow, that was needlessly rude to a new member. She explained what she meant, and it wasn&#39;t showing clevage. I don&#39;t think a woman should have to wear a potato sack to avoid being leered at on the job, do you? If she dresses attractively but not sleazy, is she not due the same respect as her male peers?

 

[BobLeeSwagger]

Originally posted by madame_zora+Jun 17 2005, 05:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Jun 17 2005, 05:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick@Jun 17 2005, 08:44 PM
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I&#39;m not saying that I stare at a woman&#39;s breasts while I&#39;m talking to her, or otherwise act inappropriately - but men don&#39;t understand why a woman would dress to accentuate something and then expect it not to be stared at. It&#39;s a very basic attraction, like someone else said above, and it&#39;s nearly autonomic. If I see cleavage, I look at it, it&#39;s impossible to stop.

Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

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Wow, that was needlessly rude to a new member. She explained what she meant, and it wasn&#39;t showing clevage. I don&#39;t think a woman should have to wear a potato sack to avoid being leered at on the job, do you? If she dresses attractively but not sleazy, is she not due the same respect as her male peers?

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Par for the course from him.

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Originally posted by madame_zora
Wow, that was needlessly rude to a new member.

This coming from you of all people, MZ? You probably don&#39;t even realize it, but damn...

She explained what she meant, and it wasn&#39;t showing clevage. I don&#39;t think a woman should have to wear a potato sack to avoid being leered at on the job, do you? If she dresses attractively but not sleazy, is she not due the same respect as her male peers?

If she dresses attractively, men are gonna look. It&#39;s that simple.

 

[MASSIVEPKGO_CHUCK]

Originally posted by madame_zora+Jun 18 2005, 12:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Jun 18 2005, 12:21 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick@Jun 17 2005, 08:44 PM
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I&#39;m not saying that I stare at a woman&#39;s breasts while I&#39;m talking to her, or otherwise act inappropriately - but men don&#39;t understand why a woman would dress to accentuate something and then expect it not to be stared at.  It&#39;s a very basic attraction, like someone else said above, and it&#39;s nearly autonomic.  If I see cleavage, I look at it, it&#39;s impossible to stop.

Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

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Wow, that was needlessly rude to a new member. She explained what she meant, and it wasn&#39;t showing clevage. I don&#39;t think a woman should have to wear a potato sack to avoid being leered at on the job, do you? If she dresses attractively but not sleazy, is she not due the same respect as her male peers?

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Dig it, there, DD, you really gotta brush up on your tact skills on account of you&#39;re you&#39;re acting completely without manners. And no there, MZ I personally don&#39;t think a woman should have downgrade her wardrobe to sidetrack any potential leches.

 

[Alley Blue]

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Jun 17 2005, 08:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Jun 17 2005, 08:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mr_Clark
I&#39;m not saying that I stare at a woman&#39;s breasts while I&#39;m talking to her, or otherwise act inappropriately - but men don&#39;t understand why a woman would dress to accentuate something and then expect it not to be stared at.  It&#39;s a very basic attraction, like someone else said above, and it&#39;s nearly autonomic.  If I see cleavage, I look at it, it&#39;s impossible to stop.

Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

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Can&#39;t we all express our ideas without being harsh :think:

 

[OldLady]

Personally speaking, by some measures I&#39;m small busted so I&#39;ve been lucky to avoid this issue. When I&#39;ve been bigger busted (I was pretty heavy at one point), I wasn&#39;t comfortable with having my chest stared at, even when I dressed very boxily.

As far as the way some women dress, at least for work. There are a lot of women - especially sometimes young girls new to the workplace, or women from different socioeconomic backgrounds - who don&#39;t realize that they are dressing in a way that some may consider flirtatious, or solicitious. They may have no clue that&#39;s how other women and men may view them.

Also, with some women I&#39;ve talked to, even when we dress up, we appreciate feeling pretty and showing off, but about the overall package and not just the one. Some of us also appreciate discreet courtesy and acknowledgement that we "look lovely tonight," but not "Great tits, can I shove my face between them?" We want to feel honored and glorified, not disrespected and objectified.

On the other hand as others have said, many(most?) women may not realize that men seem to think about sex almost constantly, unlike us. We may not realize as well that what we think is "lovely" as a woman may be considered "cock tease" to a guy.

I think it&#39;s a bit of sensitivity and awareness training on both parts. It&#39;s the difference between what she hopes and what he assumes.

 

[OldLady]

Originally posted by alleyblu@Jun 13 2005, 03:33 PM
PS
I knew a friend of mine who would love to rest his head on his girlfriends breasts.....not for sexual reasons but for comfort

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BTW, this is more common than I think, but I suspect sometimes men might be embarrassed to admit it? It&#39;s not purely about sex for all men. There is implied comfort and security about resting on breasts. What&#39;s not to love?

 

[Mr_Clark]

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Jun 17 2005, 02:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Jun 17 2005, 02:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

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Ah, it&#39;s the local troll. I was wondering which user it was here.

If you were capable of reading the thread instead of shitting all over it, you&#39;d know that I didn&#39;t come up with "business sexy":

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madame_zora took the words right out of my mouth, it depends on the situation. I don&#39;t expect or want looks at work, even if I&#39;m dressed &#39;business sexy&#39;. For an evening out on the town or at the bar, the dress is totally different and looks/glances are expected and appreciated. However I never show more than 1/3 of my cleavage in any situation, I&#39;m still a little conservative.
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So, seriously, you shut the fuck up.

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Um, I&#39;m in agreement with your post. I was referring to AsianBabe.

A friend of mine was charged with sexual harassment because a co-worker claimed he was *staring* at her. What can I say, I&#39;m just glad I don&#39;t have a regular 9-to-5 job.

 

[13788]

petite_asianbabe: QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick @ Jun 17 2005, 02:44 PM)
Pretty much.

And LOL @ "business sexy". Seriously, shut the fuck up.

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick@Jun 18 2005, 09:52 PM

Um, I&#39;m in agreement with your post. I was referring to AsianBabe.

A friend of mine was charged with sexual harassment because a co-worker claimed he was *staring* at her. What can I say, I&#39;m just glad I don&#39;t have a regular 9-to-5 job.

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wow, I don&#39;t log on for a few days and all hell has broken loose ........


Different words are used to describe the attire/dress of a male or female:

Male: sharp ... dapper ... well-dressed ... stylish ... chic .... etc
Female: elegant ... graceful ... lovely ... sexy ... etc

Our cruel society has associated these particular words with a particular gender and society continues to view women as &#39;objects&#39;.

I shouldn&#39;t be judged or leered for the way I dress at work, which I had mentioned was very professional and conservative. I think my term "business sexy" was taken in the wrong context, I was referring to how the attire for work is completely different from a social setting and therefore the responses are different.

So DD, I think you should take the time to understand the whole story before making judgements. :grr: x( And for your information, in most sexual harrassment cases the women didn&#39;t do anything wrong to warrant the unwelcome sexual advances of certain men. Most men are civilized, its the few that make the workplace uncomfortable for women.

 

[madame_zora]

petite_asianbabe, you have been most gracious. I assure you that most of us here will not be rude to you.

I got to sit in on several sexual harassment cases, and I saw three kinds. A few were nuissance ones that could be handled by arbitration, those were the "spiteful bitch just has a bee up her ass". Those are probably about 20%, according to our lawyer. The second one was they guy was doing it, but they were able to work out an equitable arrangement (usually relocation of one or another to a different department or location), but both keep their jobs. Those were about another 30 to 35%. Nearly HALF were legitimate claims that there had been ongoing harassment, often by a group of men who had not been accustomed to having female co-workers. Even amoung the ones who had always worked around women though, there is a type of thinking amoung certain men that just disrespects women in general. "Mysogynist" is not a made up word. I&#39;m sorry to say, this thinking is not easy to change. No, women are not alone as victims of sexual harassment, but the percentages are hugely male. The bigger problem is the social acceptance of this behavior amoung groups. Women who would harass a man would likely not be lecherously eyeballing a man while saying loud enough for him to hear "look at the ass shake on that&#33;" to her friends. It just makes you feel naked.

 

[Alley Blue]

Originally posted by OldLady+Jun 19 2005, 02:45 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OldLady &#064; Jun 19 2005, 02:45 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-alleyblu@Jun 13 2005, 03:33 PM
PS
I knew a friend of mine who would love to rest his head on his girlfriends breasts.....not for sexual reasons but for comfort 

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BTW, this is more common than I think, but I suspect sometimes men might be embarrassed to admit it? It&#39;s not purely about sex for all men. There is implied comfort and security about resting on breasts. What&#39;s not to love?

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Funny enough there&#39;s a song called "every one needs a bosom for a pillow" or something like that.......

 

[Alley Blue]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Jun 20 2005, 09:35 AM
petite_asianbabe, you have been most gracious. I assure you that most of us here will not be rude to you.

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Yeah, like Mme.Z said, comments like those are really out of the ordinary.
I really enjoyed your responses thus fare petite_asianbabe.

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

Originally posted by petite_asianbabe+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(petite_asianbabe)</div><div class='quotemain'>Our cruel society has associated these particular words with a particular gender and society continues to view women as &#39;objects&#39;.

I shouldn&#39;t be judged or leered for the way I dress at work, which I had mentioned was very professional and conservative. I think my term "business sexy" was taken in the wrong context, I was referring to how the attire for work is completely different from a social setting and therefore the responses are different.

So DD, I think you should take the time to understand the whole story before making judgements. :grr: x( And for your information, in most sexual harrassment cases the women didn&#39;t do anything wrong to warrant the unwelcome sexual advances of certain men. Most men are civilized, its the few that make the workplace uncomfortable for women.
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I apologize. I&#39;m trying to get off the anti-depressants I&#39;ve been on for a while, and it&#39;s going pretty badly. Unfortunately my cross hairs are turning towards LPSG in reaction.



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petite_asianbabe, you have been most gracious. I assure you that most of us here will not be rude to you.

I got to sit in on several sexual harassment cases, and I saw three kinds. A few were nuissance ones that could be handled by arbitration, those were the "spiteful bitch just has a bee up her ass". Those are probably about 20%, according to our lawyer. The second one was they guy was doing it, but they were able to work out an equitable arrangement (usually relocation of one or another to a different department or location), but both keep their jobs. Those were about another 30 to 35%. Nearly HALF were legitimate claims that there had been ongoing harassment, often by a group of men who had not been accustomed to having female co-workers. Even amoung the ones who had always worked around women though, there is a type of thinking amoung certain men that just disrespects women in general. "Mysogynist" is not a made up word. I&#39;m sorry to say, this thinking is not easy to change. No, women are not alone as victims of sexual harassment, but the percentages are hugely male. The bigger problem is the social acceptance of this behavior amoung groups. Women who would harass a man would likely not be lecherously eyeballing a man while saying loud enough for him to hear "look at the ass shake on that&#33;" to her friends. It just makes you feel naked.
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It would also help if women in a business environment would try and keep the flirtatious behavior to a minimum. Sometimes men just can&#39;t hold it and have to let you know how they really feel. I don&#39;t do that though, as I have control and can appreciate you all in silence. In fact I&#39;ve even told some of my then co-workers to tone it down a bit.

 

[madame_zora]

Dr. Dilznick, I understand how unnerving it must be to go off the meds. I hope you are comfortable in your decision to do so, let us know if we can help.

In an earlier post I mentioned exactly what you are talking about. BOTH women and men have to learn what is and is not appropriate behavior in the workplace. Women can&#39;t flirt and dress seductive, and men can&#39;t leer at them when they need to be taken as serious coworkers. Not every situation in life is sexual, or should be seen as such.
It is very hard to dress discreetly when you have a large chest, because even the shape and bulge of them under a suit is a turn on to a lot of men, even if they can&#39;t see anything&#33; Just one of nature&#39;s little jokes, but there really isn&#39;t a proper place for that kind of behavior on the job.

 

[13788]

petite_asianbabe:

Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Jun 20 2005, 07:04 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Jun 20 2005, 07:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by petite_asianbabe@
Our cruel society has associated these particular words with a particular gender and society continues to view women as &#39;objects&#39;.

I shouldn&#39;t be judged or leered for the way I dress at work, which I had mentioned was very professional and conservative. I think my term "business sexy" was taken in the wrong context, I was referring to how the attire for work is completely different from a social setting and therefore the responses are different.

So DD, I think you should take the time to understand the whole story before making judgements.    :grr:    x(    And for your information, in most sexual harrassment cases the women didn&#39;t do anything wrong to warrant the unwelcome sexual advances of certain men. Most men are civilized, its the few that make the workplace uncomfortable for women.

I apologize. I&#39;m trying to get off the anti-depressants I&#39;ve been on for a while, and it&#39;s going pretty badly. Unfortunately my cross hairs are turning towards LPSG in reaction.



<!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora
petite_asianbabe, you have been most gracious. I assure you that most of us here will not be rude to you.

I got to sit in on several sexual harassment cases, and I saw three kinds. A few were nuissance ones that could be handled by arbitration, those were the "spiteful bitch just has a bee up her ass". Those are probably about 20%, according to our lawyer. The second one was they guy was doing it, but they were able to work out an equitable arrangement (usually relocation of one or another to a different department or location), but both keep their jobs. Those were about another 30 to 35%. Nearly HALF were legitimate claims that there had been ongoing harassment, often by a group of men who had not been accustomed to having female co-workers. Even amoung the ones who had always worked around women though, there is a type of thinking amoung certain men that just disrespects women in general. "Mysogynist" is not a made up word. I&#39;m sorry to say, this thinking is not easy to change. No, women are not alone as victims of sexual harassment, but the percentages are hugely male. The bigger problem is the social acceptance of this behavior amoung groups. Women who would harass a man would likely not be lecherously eyeballing a man while saying loud enough for him to hear "look at the ass shake on that&#33;" to her friends. It just makes you feel naked.

It would also help if women in a business environment would try and keep the flirtatious behavior to a minimum. Sometimes men just can&#39;t hold it and have to let you know how they really feel. I don&#39;t do that though, as I have control and can appreciate you all in silence. In fact I&#39;ve even told some of my then co-workers to tone it down a bit.

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DD, your comments really hurt my feelings but I will accept your apology. I love to chat/talk alot and sometimes I may not convey my thoughts clearly, and I don&#39;t think it helps that I usually log in late at night when I&#39;m half asleep&#33; I hope you will be able to kick your anti-depressant drugs to the curb, good luck.

Anyway, I think we have strayed off course from the original thread, sorry alleyblu&#33; My last comments are that the majority of companies (at least in the USA) have policies pertaining to acceptable business attire and sexual harrassment and I believe the rate of sexual harrassment cases has declined.

I have never directly experienced sexual harrassment but as a woman I know when I am being looked over. The company I work at is predominantly male but the department I&#39;m in has more females so the men are always walking by and trying to strike up a conversation or try to take us to lunch. When I pass by a group of men in the hallway the conversation always stops and I can feel their eyes probing me, I think once I even heard a faint whistle. Again, I will repeat that I do dress in a very conservative and feminine way at work. It is uncomfortable at the gym too because men stare at me like I&#39;m a piece of meat. Anyway I think we have beat this topic to death, but in a way it seems that women who are beautiful and attractive are being punished.

As for flirty behavior, I (nor my fellow female co-workers) do not flirt in the workplace at all. But some guys take a friendly smile, "Good Morning&#33;", or a pat on the arm the wrong way. I do not think that is flirting, right? :mellow: