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Yes, we know that - but I can't think of any issues, penis related or otherwise, that don't fit in the existing fora. In fact with a couple of careful renames we could do away with the Women's Issues forum completely and just all post as unsegregated equals. Then there would never be any argument about what is and isn't a Women's Issue. Wouldn't that be nice? :smile:

My point exactly. I've asked twice now, lafever, what kind of topics are you considering WOULD be covered by Mens Issues that AREN'T covered in the existing fora?
 

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My point exactly. I've asked twice now, lafever, what kind of topics are you considering WOULD be covered by Mens Issues that AREN'T covered in the existing fora?
It's not that they couldn't be discused in existing forums it's that women would have to abide by certain rules when posting in the Men's isssues thread.
Just as we men have to abide to the rules in the women's issues thread.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/what's+good+for+the+goose+is+good+for+the+gander.
 

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It's not that they couldn't be discused in existing forums it's that women would have to abide by certain rules when posting in the Men's isssues thread.
Just as we men have to abide to the rules in the women's issues thread.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/what's+good+for+the+goose+is+good+for+the+gander.

Oh I see - it's not actually about facilitating the men and making things more equal - it's about imposing rules on the female members to get your own back. I see.
 

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Oh I see - it's not actually about facilitating the men and making things more equal - it's about imposing rules on the female members to get your own back. I see.
It does make us equal though, having the same rules that would apply to both women & men.
And yes, I do believe that women should have more Forums here. I'm totally serious about that.
 
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It does make us equal though, having the same rules that would apply to both women & men.
And yes, I do believe that women should have more Forums here. I'm totally serious about that.

Things already ARE equal in this respect though...

Each forum has a set of rules, not only do they all have to abide by the ToS, but threads within them are expected to be kept within the bounds of acceptable content for that particular forum:

Straight porn in straight adult websites
Gay porn in gay adult websites
Celebs in Celebs
Worried about your dick falling off? The healthy penis is right there waiting for you!
Problems with your wife/gf/husband/bf? Relationships!
Worried your vagina is turning purple and growing horns? Women's issues!

No one bats an eye if I take something from Sex with a Large Penis and put it in Relationships, no one cares if I move something from Relationships to Healthy Penis, or Celebs to Gay porn... Move something from Women's Issues though, and suddenly I'm some feminist nazi being all unfair to the men folk!

ALL threads are expected to be started in the appropriate forum, and if there isn't a forum that screams "I belong here" you make your best guess, and if the mods disagree, they move it to where they feel it will be best answered by those who can answer it... We don't expect everyone to like the decisions, but to try and claim there is favoritism to by far the smallest group on the site, because we move stuff out of that forum and put it elsewhere when it doesn't belong there, is moronic... We do it with every other forum, with more frequency, and the only reason you don't know about it is because people just accept it.
 

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Things already ARE equal in this respect though...

Each forum has a set of rules, not only do they all have to abide by the ToS, but threads within them are expected to be kept within the bounds of acceptable content for that particular forum:

Straight porn in straight adult websites
Gay porn in gay adult websites
Celebs in Celebs
Worried about your dick falling off? The healthy penis is right there waiting for you!
Problems with your wife/gf/husband/bf? Relationships!
Worried your vagina is turning purple and growing horns? Women's issues!

No one bats an eye if I take something from Sex with a Large Penis and put it in Relationships, no one cares if I move something from Relationships to Healthy Penis, or Celebs to Gay porn... Move something from Women's Issues though, and suddenly I'm some feminist nazi being all unfair to the men folk!

ALL threads are expected to be started in the appropriate forum, and if there isn't a forum that screams "I belong here" you make your best guess, and if the mods disagree, they move it to where they feel it will be best answered by those who can answer it... We don't expect everyone to like the decisions, but to try and claim there is favoritism to by far the smallest group on the site, because we move stuff out of that forum and put it elsewhere when it doesn't belong there, is moronic... We do it with every other forum, with more frequency, and the only reason you don't know about it is because people just accept it.
Where did all that come from, it seems you have issues where there are none but neglect the ones staring you in the face.
Although women are the minority here they are certainly the most outspoken(candid).
 
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Where did all that come from, it seems you have issues where there are none but neglect the ones staring you in the face.
Although women are the minority here they are certainly the most outspokken.

It came from me explaining to you why things are equal because you can't see that.

They are the most outspoken, but do you not think maybe that happens to be because they are under persistent attack on here for wanting nothing more than threads moved to the appropriate places without complaints, something the rest of the site experiences countless times a day.
 

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It came from me explaining to you why things are equal because you can't see that.

They are the most outspoken, but do you not think maybe that happens to be because they are under persistent attack on here for wanting nothing more than threads moved to the appropriate places without complaints, something the rest of the site experiences countless times a day.
There lies the problem, the men aren't complaining. Therefore the women become excessive in their attempts to fix, manage and control.
That's my point, and why the current system doesn't work and why Rob needs to think about getting rid of the Women's Issues Thread all together or add a special forum for the men so that the same rules can apply to the women as they do to the men when they visit a Women's Issues Forum.
Even when given the option of having multiple forums to create an equel ground the women hold on to the current system like an abusive relationship.
Then the vicious cycle of fighting for non-excistant virtues continues, because everyone should already know men are from mars & women are from venis.
The very reason used as to why you don't think we need a men's issues thread, because we have the TOS rules also makes a valid point as to why we don't need a Women's Issue Forum.
 
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There is never going to be "equal ground" as you say it for the simple fact that there are so many more men here than women, and the majority of issues are such that can be discussed by everyone, regardless of gender of sexuality.

The reason the women have their own section is because they do have specific issues that don't fit anywhere else on the site, and the only problem with this is the abuse that section has suffered at the hands of those who believe women should only be here to get them off.

The threads that get on the collective female nerves will be getting their own home as soon as the previously mentioned updates are complete, everything else pretty much already has a place on here.

One of the things that I have learned by being on this board is how often a lot of men are quick to blame women for everything. I can empathise with how extremely irritating this must be.

However my personal opinion (which I should also be giving privately to ManB) is that this has led to the Women's Issues Forum becoming almost totally intolerant of any opinion or circumstance that does not paint women in a positive light. This carries over to the Relationships Forum. Any discussion of generalisations or experiences of some women's behaviour that is not positive, is likely to be attacked (NB all the recent kerfuffle), along with the poster.

This has also led to a double standard in which it is perfectly acceptable, to some, to diss men as much as they like, without the reciprocal censure.

This is not 100% the case all the time, but it is a trend that I personally have felt has been happening, and I have an opinion as to how this came about. The upshot is that the WIF is not nearly as much fun as it used to be. Again, my opinion (waits for the arseholes comment).

If Fevre's proposal would fix this, then I would support it, if the new system can split threads between, a woman's issue and I have an issue with a woman, then I look forward to the day.
 

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There lies the problem, the men aren't complaining. Therefore the women become excessive in their attempts to fix, manage and control.
That's my point, and why the current system doesn't work and why Rob needs to get rid of the women's issues thread all together.
The idea of having a Mens's issues forum is logical considering that the women here on lpsg won't let go of their forum.
Even when given the option of having multiple forums to create an equel ground they hold on like an abusive relationship.
The very reason used as to why you don't think we need a men's issues thread, because we have the TOS rules also makes a valid point as to why we don't need a women's issue forum.

No, you're just refusing to listen and understand, which is far from being my fault.

Let's break it down...

You are a man, you have a problem with your relationship, you go to Relationships and start a thread. Which is exactly the same as the women would do.

You are a man, you have a problem involving sex, because of a large penis, you go to Sex with a Large Penis. Which is exactly the same as the women would do.

You are a man and have found some weird black spots on your penis. So you take yourself off to The Healthy Penis and start a thread. But wait, that woman over there has found weird spots on her vagina, she can't go posting that in healthy penis, it doesn't involve having sex with a large penis, and isn't a relationship issue? Well thankfully, she has the women's issue forum, where she can turn to a section dedicated to such things (not that I'm suggesting all of our women have weird spots on their vaginae)
 

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Mens Issues

Content in this particular thread is provided for members of LPSG to discuss issues related to men, therefore it is not the appropriate forum for certain content which is detailed below.


Inappropriate Content - Questions from users regarding size, function, likes/dislikes and so on regarding breasts and vaginas should not be posted in the men's Issues thread. There is a specific thread devoted to Woman's Issues already, users are encouraged to post here http://www.lpsg.org/womens-issues/.



In the works:
http://www.lpsg.org/276752-new-forum-idea.html
Schmuck.
 

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Drifter - will you please stop targeting me on the fora?

I gave you the opportunity to talk to me privately - you were unable to avail of it, though you had plenty of time for other stuff here on LPSG so it clearly wasn't that important to you. That's perfectly acceptable to me. I don't expect to be a priority. I'm just some person you sort of know off the internet. However, your remark about making that point to me privately serves no purpose whatsoever on this thread, not that I can see.

To address the issue at hand. I don't think Drifter's point is valid - I see female posters here saying plenty of negative things about other females in, for example, the relationships forum. Girlfriend is doing x,y,z threads - plenty of women will come on and say 'dump her if she really is doing that to you' - I have seen it time and time again. Yes, a lot of the time someone like me, will materialise in a thread where there is girlfriend bashing going on and say something like 'hang on, we're only hearing one side of the story, are you so perfect?'. But I'm not in the majority. I'm not imposing my will on anyone else. Everyone else is equally free to express an opinion.

Plenty of women here disagree with me about all sorts of stuff. There is no mafia. I think you, Drifter, are seeing the forum through tinted specs that highlight the stuff you want to believe is there.
 

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There lies the problem, the men aren't complaining. Therefore the women become excessive in their attempts to fix, manage and control.
That's my point, and why the current system doesn't work and why Rob needs to think about getting rid of the Women's Issues Thread all together or add a special forum for the men so that the same rules can apply to the women as they do to the men when they visit a Women's Issues Forum.
Even when given the option of having multiple forums to create an equel ground the women hold on to the current system like an abusive relationship.
Then the vicious cycle of fighting for non-excistant virtues continues, because everyone should already know men are from mars & women are from venis.
The very reason used as to why you don't think we need a men's issues thread, because we have the TOS rules also makes a valid point as to why we don't need a Women's Issue Forum.
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No, you're just refusing to listen and understand, which is far from being my fault.

Let's break it down...

You are a man, you have a problem with your relationship, you go to Relationships and start a thread. Which is exactly the same as the women would do.

You are a man, you have a problem involving sex, because of a large penis, you go to Sex with a Large Penis. Which is exactly the same as the women would do.

You are a man and have found some weird black spots on your penis. So you take yourself off to The Healthy Penis and start a thread. But wait, that woman over there has found weird spots on her vagina, she can't go posting that in healthy penis, it doesn't involve having sex with a large penis, and isn't a relationship issue? Well thankfully, she has the women's issue forum, where she can turn to a section dedicated to such things (not that I'm suggesting all of our women have weird spots on their vaginae)
And yet instead of understanding you're too busy trying to be understood.
 

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One of the things that I have learned by being on this board is how often a lot of men are quick to blame women for everything. I can empathise with how extremely irritating this must be.

However my personal opinion (which I should also be giving privately to ManB) is that this has led to the Women's Issues Forum becoming almost totally intolerant of any opinion or circumstance that does not paint women in a positive light. This carries over to the Relationships Forum. Any discussion of generalisations or experiences of some women's behaviour that is not positive, is likely to be attacked (NB all the recent kerfuffle), along with the poster.

This has also led to a double standard in which it is perfectly acceptable, to some, to diss men as much as they like, without the reciprocal censure.

This is not 100% the case all the time, but it is a trend that I personally have felt has been happening, and I have an opinion as to how this came about. The upshot is that the WIF is not nearly as much fun as it used to be. Again, my opinion (waits for the arseholes comment).

If Fevre's proposal would fix this, then I would support it, if the new system can split threads between, a woman's issue and I have an issue with a woman, then I look forward to the day.

Well I for one will not be calling you an asshole for this post, as I largely happen to agree with you, though can also understand why "some" have taken it so far, which in no way means I agree with them doing so.

The plan for the new system is (and remember, I don't call the shots, I just provide the feedback the best I can at the time... Rob is free to change this as he pleases!) to split the WI forum into a section for actual women's issues, and a section where men are welcome to ask the women anything they like, which will go a long way to resolve some of the tension.

As for the double standard when it comes to generalizations and the likes, all I can say is that this double standard is with the membership, not the moderating team. We can't read every word ever posted, and if someone is making sexist remarks (or whatever bit of the ToS happens to be being broken) and no one reports it, there is a huge chance we're not going to be seeing it. Further, seeing a moderator active in a thread is no sure sign it has been reported, we all read things differently and that particular mod may well have read it differently, or just read one or two posts in the thread.

The membership is the first defense when it comes to squashing double standards, they are the ones reading these things, and there are a lot more of you than there are of us... We don't promise we'll take action if you report something, believe me we don't act on everything the women report as being sexist for example, but we do promise that we'll give it the same attention as we do the "other side"
 

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And yet instead of understanding you're too busy trying to be understood.

I get your point, but it's based on flawed logic, misunderstanding and a desire to not only be right, but to prove a point.

End of the day, I don't see Rob getting rid of WI, last I heard he was planning on expanding on it, branching it out into different specific areas to make both the men and women here happier. I also don't see him giving you a MI forum, because you're yet to come up with a single example of a thread that would go there that doesn't fit anywhere else (I'm happy to support the suggestion though, with every ounce of fight I have in my heart if you do... and I mean that!)
 

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If you want to get rid of the main problem get rid of the zipper file known as Women's Issues Forum and turn some of the threads inside it into forums and start adding multiple threads that are similar together into single forums like you currently do to the rest of the site .
 
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I think you, Drifter, are seeing the forum through tinted specs that highlight the stuff you want to believe is there.

Like I said, that is my opinion. I am not the type who has either the time or the inclination to go back and quote hundreds of examples from the past. There will be general agreement with some of my opinions from some, there will be flat denial from others.