People, it is time to just admit what has always been true. This is a bad show. It is poorly written and plagued with bad acting. People watch bc the characters are hot and it has a sugary storyline.
Michael Cimino (actor)
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Agree entirely.
What’s also worth mentioning in support of the door being Rahim’s, is that his story arc to date has been too brief to cut short.
It would be unnatural to introduce Rahim within three episodes, rapidly build up a “love triangle” and then entirely discard that idea and have Victor go straight back to Benji in episode 1 of season 3.
They’ll need content for season 3, and it can’t just be more Benji and Victor without a major complication.
I’m sort of disappointed that they’ve already skipped ahead on Benji’s and Rahim’s character development in several instances, making it hard to go back and fill that out in season 3.
For example, Benji apparently doesn’t do anything that isn’t about Victor and Rahim goes from having parents that are strictly conservative to being a-ok with his sexuality abruptly. I think the writers are doing the show a disservice by not expanding these areas. It’s now also too late to go back and focus more on Victor and Benji’s awkward first times — the one second lube scene was hardly sufficient (or accurate to the discussions/experimentation/teaching that could have taken place between Benji and Victor).
Had these been expanded to land us in a different place in season 3, we wouldn’t be stuck with a third season still centred around relationship troubles.
Overall, I think we could see:
Victor say “Hi” to Rahim, only to have a debrief about Victor/Benji and have Rahim say that Victor isn’t ready for a relationship — leaving Victor with no love interest for a few episodes and a time to “be single and work on himself” (a sort of narrative reset). Alternatively, we could, as you said, see a few episodes with Rahim as a love interest before returning to Benji by the end of the season.
That’d leave the writers in a position to make a fourth season about Benji and Victor’s long distance relationship and going to college or whatnot (if the series survives that long).
His character is very 2-Dimensional and whether that's because of his acting or because of the writing is debatable. Could be both lol.
I get that you think that, but that is just your opinion. In my opinion it is well written for it's target audience, the acting may not be Oscar worthy, but I wouldn't call it bad.
I honestly can’t understand why the writers would choose to end season 2 that way. If keeping viewers is their number 1 priority, they should have continued the love triangle somehow and resolved it next season. But now, they’ve set themselves up to somehow have Victor make a choice immediately and alienate some fraction of fans (although I doubt season 3 will actually start that way).
Besides, if he were at Benji’s door, why wouldn’t he just slam the door on Victor?? Why would Benji want to see him after that? I just don’t understand.
Personally I think Victor needs to be single for a while, and figure himself out on his own for a bit. But I highly doubt that will happen.
Besides, if he were at Benji’s door, why wouldn’t he just slam the door on Victor?? Why would Benji want to see him after that? I just don’t understand.
Personally I think Victor needs to be single for a while, and figure himself out on his own for a bit. But I highly doubt that will happen.
My thoughts as well. A charming, likeable young actor with limited range. Also wasn't overly wowed by how he delivered the "I love you" line to Benji either!
Good point! I've sometimes watched actors who I had thought were average talents suddenly wow me after being given a fantastic script to work with!
Agree entirely.
What’s also worth mentioning in support of the door being Rahim’s, is that his story arc to date has been too brief to cut short.
It would be unnatural to introduce Rahim within three episodes, rapidly build up a “love triangle” and then entirely discard that idea and have Victor go straight back to Benji in episode 1 of season 3.
They’ll need content for season 3, and it can’t just be more Benji and Victor without a major complication.
I’m sort of disappointed that they’ve already skipped ahead on Benji’s and Rahim’s character development in several instances, making it hard to go back and fill that out in season 3.
I also agree that it would be unnatural for Venji to re-connect so early in season 3. They both need time apart to figure things out, but I do believe the predictable way that Victor will regain Benji's trust and love will involve supporting him during his season 3 booze relapse, even when Benji pushes him away!
For example, Benji apparently doesn’t do anything that isn’t about Victor and Rahim goes from having parents that are strictly conservative to being a-ok with his sexuality abruptly. I think the writers are doing the show a disservice by not expanding these areas. It’s now also too late to go back and focus more on Victor and Benji’s awkward first times — the one second lube scene was hardly sufficient (or accurate to the discussions/experimentation/teaching that could have taken place between Benji and Victor).
Had these been expanded to land us in a different place in season 3, we wouldn’t be stuck with a third season still centred around relationship troubles.
Overall, I think we could see:
Victor say “Hi” to Rahim, only to have a debrief about Victor/Benji and have Rahim say that Victor isn’t ready for a relationship — leaving Victor with no love interest for a few episodes and a time to “be single and work on himself” (a sort of narrative reset). Alternatively, we could, as you said, see a few episodes with Rahim as a love interest before returning to Benji by the end of the season.
That’d leave the writers in a position to make a fourth season about Benji and Victor’s long distance relationship and going to college or whatnot (if the series survives that long).
You raise a very valid point about the need for Season 4 / 10 episode content and therefore, not discarding the potential Victor-Rahim dating scenario so quickly! I'm looking at it from the perspective that Victor and more so Rahim's popularity has taken a hit with this out-of-the-blue "love triangle" > and the sooner the better for their characters to return to being good friends with Rahim then able to find a boyfriend of his own, with the required support and enthusiasm of the large majority of fans. The content could then come from having Victor spend some episodes on his own to figure stuff out and be supportive of Benji's predictable booze relapse, without jumping immediately into another dating relationship which kinda cheapens the whole two-year Venji relationship storyline
Each of the first two seasons covered roughly 5-6 months in Victor's life. Season 3 will take us up to Victor's Junior Prom with a re-united Venji winning the predictable "King & King" fave couple!
Seasons 4 and 5 will then likely be Victor's senior year at Creekwood, covering a similar 12 month timeframe
Seasons 4 and 5 will then likely be Victor's senior year at Creekwood, covering a similar 12 month timeframe
I hope it doesn't go on longer than season 3 because S3 will be the Love triangle and we know who he's going to end up with, then they've done everything they can, what else is there to do?Each of the first two seasons covered roughly 5-6 months in Victor's life. Season 3 will take us up to Victor's Junior Prom with a re-united Venji winning the predictable "King & King" fave couple!
Seasons 4 and 5 will then likely be Victor's senior year at Creekwood, covering a similar 12 month timeframe
Streamer series often have a 4-5 year planned run...so it makes sense that "Love, Victor" was likely pitched as a 5 season series with each season covering roughly 5-6 months in Victor's life. Season 1 > Victor mid-term Sophomore transfer... Season 2 > Now Junior > first half of school year...Season 3 > Junior / second term + Junior Prom...Season 4 > Victor now Senior / first term
Season 5 > Senior Victor / second term > with all the predictable Venji "College Choice" drama
Standard Hollywood contract
I did find every character's development interesting but Benji. He was given no personnality / backstory making me wonder what Victor finds in him (aside from his body and good looks). As a white person, I did find that racial divercity was made genuine, interesting, real and not forced and I really enjoyed this. Finally a show showcasing racial divercity not for the sake of it, just because it IS society.
The parents' storyline is enjoyable, the bi vibe from Lake at the end is laughable (in this particular setting of the series --> let's make everyone fall somewhere in the lbgt spectrum because this is an lgbt show).
I did enjoy Rahim because he was the only character that felt real, not too forced, not too shallow (except from that coffee-ordering scene which was cringy. Not the masc4masc narrative, just the way he ordered. This feels like it was written by Vanessa Hudgens just before she head out to her voguing class.)
Karaoke was weird.
I do not see why Victor and Benji would get back together in real life tbh
The parents' storyline is enjoyable, the bi vibe from Lake at the end is laughable (in this particular setting of the series --> let's make everyone fall somewhere in the lbgt spectrum because this is an lgbt show).
I did enjoy Rahim because he was the only character that felt real, not too forced, not too shallow (except from that coffee-ordering scene which was cringy. Not the masc4masc narrative, just the way he ordered. This feels like it was written by Vanessa Hudgens just before she head out to her voguing class.)
Karaoke was weird.
I do not see why Victor and Benji would get back together in real life tbh
And Benji's parents are poorly written cartoon characters!
AND > can the writers finally get Benji's exact age nailed down?
Season 1 > 16y/o with a suspended driver's license...Season 2 Benji celebrates his 17th b-day, but then during his episode 10 chat with Isabel, he refers to Victor and himself as "a couple of 16 year olds"...????????My other thought > IF the writers can bring up this overly sudden, WTF "love triangle" > they can just as quickly discard it, especially if it doesn't do Anthony Keyvan and his character any favors trying to set him up with his own romantic storyline, independent of "good friend" Victor! The longer this potential "love triangle" lasts, the more ticked off the global fanbase will predictably become towards "Rahim" > which is a lousy BUSINESS situation for Disney/Hulu + Producers!
If I'm not wrong, Victor and Rahim also said to each other "Hey". But I think that there's gonna be one of Benji's parent behind the door, because people are gonna expect one of Benji or Rahim there, but it's gonna be more dramatic if it's Benji's mom/dad and Benji is nowhere to be found (he's drinking because he thinks his first real love dumped him). And why would Benji choose Victor? Because he's the first person he has ever loved and still loves, which was proven by him coming to the wedding.
I hear you, but there's something about Benji's development I like. In first season we saw him from Victor's point of view as a perfect boy, while in S2 we saw him as a person with flaws. His character isn't developed on his own and everything about him is connected to Victor, but that also makes us to think more about Benji character. And I think that if the writers will go with the alcohol and sobriety topic more into S3, I think they will finally give Benji more development. So Benji's character journey could be PERFECT->FLAWS->DEVELOPMENT.
