Michael Moore's truthful open letter to Congress

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  1. Rommette

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    Below is Michael Moore's open letter to congress. He makes some very valuable points and also makes you wonder if he can come up with these arguements why couldn't the senators who represent us.





    Friends,
    They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers start building only cars and mass transit that reduce our dependency on oil.
    They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers build cars that reduce global warming.
    They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers withdraw their many lawsuits against state governments in their attempts to not comply with our environmental laws.
    They could have given the loan on the condition that the management team which drove these once-great manufacturers into the ground resign and be replaced with a team who understands the transportation needs of the 21st century.
    Yes, they could have given the loan for any of these reasons because, in the end, to lose our manufacturing infrastructure and throw 3 million people out of work would be a catastrophe.
    But instead, the Senate said, we'll give you the loan only if the factory workers take a $20 an hour cut in wages, pension and health care. That's right. After giving BILLIONS to Wall Street hucksters and criminal investment bankers -- billions with no strings attached and, as we have since learned, no oversight whatsoever -- the Senate decided it is more important to break a union, more important to throw middle class wage earners into the ranks of the working poor than to prevent the total collapse of industrial America.
    We have a little more than a month to go of this madness. As I sit here in Michigan today, tens of thousands of hard working, honest, decent Americans do not believe they can make it to January 20th. The malaise here is astounding. Why must they suffer because of the mistakes of every CEO from Roger Smith to Rick Wagoner? Make management and the boards of directors and the shareholders pay for this.
    Of course that is heresy to the 31 Republicans who decided to blame the poor, miserable autoworkers for this mess. And our wonderful media complied with their spin on the morning news shows: "UAW Refuses to Give Concessions Killing Auto Bailout Bill." In fact the UAW has given concession after concession, reduced their benefits, agreed to get rid of the Jobs Bank and agreed to make it harder for their retirees to live from week to week. Yes! That's what we need to do! It's the Jobs Bank and the old people who have led the nation to economic ruin!
    But even doing all that wasn't enough to satisfy the bastard Republicans. These Senate vampires wanted blood. Blue collar blood. You see, they weren't opposed to the bailout because they believed in the free market or capitalism. No, they were opposed to the bailout because they're opposed to workers making a decent wage. In their rage, they were driven to destroy the backbone of this country, not because the UAW hadn't given back enough, but because the UAW hadn't given up.
    It appears that the sitting President has been looking for a way to end his reign by one magnanimous act, just like a warlord on his feast day. He will put his finger in the dyke, and the fragile mess of an auto industry will eke through the next few months.
    That will give the Senate enough time to demand that the bankers and investment sharks who've already swiped nearly half of the $700 billion gift a chance to make the offer of cutting their pay.
    Fat chance.
    Yours,
    Michael Moore
    MMFlint@aol.com
    MichaelMoore.com
     
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    Makes complete sense to me!
     
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    Me too...Wish he would have written something like this to Congress before they gave Wall Street their bailout
     
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    Bullshit! The Democraps are as bad as the Republicans. Mikey could have framed Fahrenheit 911 to show that Israel, AIPAC, and the neocon network was the major driver for the genocide in Iraq. He chose not to. He could have avoided completely twisting the facts in Sicko. But he didn't. So fuck him and his santimonious followers.
     
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    Great letter
     
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    Michael Moore is a god damned moron.

    I remember when he came to Canada and made our healthcare system look so amazing.

    At the same time I'm waiting 11 months for a simple procedure which I ended up recieving in the US in 2 weeks and 500 dollars.

    The stupid bastard should grab a gun and blow his head off. Or at least lose weight.
     
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    There are flaws in every system, photonpig. But I wouldn't want to trade our healthcare and social security for america's.
     
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    Moore is a complete ass and just another squawkbox sensationalist idiot of the same ilk as Limbaugh on the far right. The guy's an embarrassment to liberals in the same fashion as those twerps who are embarrassments to conservatives. Republicans this and Republicans that--uh... who has had the majority since '06? If people are so disgusted with the way things are, they need to look at the whole of congress, not just one party because they are both the same. The guy's rhetoric reminds of far-right freaks who want everyone to believe global warming is a liberal scheme to overthrow capitalism.
     
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    Mr. Moore causes infinitely more problems for the Democratic Party than he does any aid.

    He's made his living, his career, on attacking Republicans. He quotes his targets out of context, ambushes politicians, and promotes fear and hatred among his weak-minded followers.

    Letters such as this would carry more purpose and validity sans the Republican and Congress-bashing. This wasn't a protest or suggestion, this was another publicity stunt....don't have to be a fortuneteller to know what his next 'movie' will be addressing.:rolleyes:
     
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    I've been waiting a long time to be able to use this "smilie"
     
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    I was loving it right up until the hyperbole which I find utterly counterproductive. Honestly, constructive dialogue becomes impossible the minute anyone begins speaking in those terms.
     
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    What a blowhard.... last I checked it was a Democrat congress in charge these days. Jan 20th has nothing to do with "the madness".
     
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    I do not really have a great deal of love for Michael Moore. The thing is I have learned to listen to people I dislike just as much as I listen to people I do respect. The reason for this is that there are at times decent ideas from the mouths of total and complete idiots. Listen to what is said, independently verify the facts of that information and THEN make your value judgment.

    I do not agree that the government should dictate what automobiles the auto industry can produce. The potential for corruption in that is so incredibly vast that it defies description. The market should determine the products, but, people have to be given decent choices from Domestic Manufacturers.

    If you look at what is available from American Automotive Manufacturers in other markets versus what they sell in the United States, it is enough to make you sick because they have had our vehicles, but with powertrains that have achieved far better fuel mileage for multiple decades. See, If Michael Moore had done that homework he would need to look a great deal farther than a simplistic statement.

    The U.K. has tough emissions standards these days, but they are different than those in the U.S.. They also demand corporate fuel mileage standards that are equally as tough as ours. Why can't Americans buy the same Chrysler Products that are routinely sold in the U.K.. Why can't we get the same Ford or GM products?

    I do agree that the UAW is not the problem here.

    The UAW has over the past ten years taken and made multiple concessions to keep the plants open The days of the auto-worker making tons of money with benefits better than that of politicians have not existed for years. Now they are stuck with the same rotten and unresponsive HMO's that we all have, and they have the same problems making ends meet because their salaries have not gone up in relation to the economic inflation of the past 20 years.

    If we do not take each communication on an individual basis and each thing based simply on what it says we make a very definite mistake. I do see some merit in Moore's letter, but, it is not in and of itself a complete or even partial solution to the problems facing the domestic automobile industry.........
     
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    Even putting parties aside some of the reasons he gave as requirements to the auto industry make a great deal of sense.
     
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    QFT. The letter should have ended halfway through...the second-half partisan railing does nothing to further his stated cause.


    I don't understand why someone so obviously intelligent continues to spout off such utterly ignorant drivel. :rolleyes:

    A one-seat Senate majority and the veto threat of an intractable opposition idiot in the white house does not make for an effective position from which to dictate sweeping changes. Yes, the inauguration of Obama will alleviate one huge obstacle for the Congress...but they're still largely a bunch of idiots, IMO. And by "they" I mean all sides of the political gem.
     
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    Hmm. Slick Willie had 36 vetoes. W had 11.

    More meaningless banter and misleading accusations from the Feline faux pas himself.
     
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    Right on cue, there's the resident neotard trying to deflect attention by diverting the discussion with another's actions and phony "reasoning." :rolleyes:

    Not that it's even germane, but Clinton had only two years (his first) governing along with a Democratic Congress (103rd), while his remaining six years in office the Congress was under GOP control. Bush had the exact opposite...his first six years in office serving with a GOP controlled Congress, while his last two years were with a DEM controlled Congress.

    Twelve uninterrupted years of GOP dominated legislation, kid. That's where this nations present problems stem from.

    Your attempted veto comparison...FAIL.
    Logical relevance of even attempting said comparison...FAIL.
     
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    What healthcare? I don't have any and haven't for two years.
     
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