Michael Vick And The City of Brotherly Love?

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McNabb is gettin screwed again. He was benched during the November loss to the Ravens (36-7!) and Kolb did an awful job in his place. The next week, McNabb was reinstated and won four of five games to get the Eagles to the playoffs. He then led them to the NFC Championship Game.

So now McNabb is going to play second fiddle to Vick, an asshole who shot, hanged, drowned and electrocuted losing dogs followed by a hollow apology. Meanwhile. McNabb, the golden boy with no criminal record, got the last 3 years of his contract voided due to petty clauses.

I refuse to watch a Vick game.
 

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McNabb, the golden boy with no criminal record, got the last 3 years of his contract voided due to petty clauses.

I thought he signed a new contract for more years and more money?


*Nevermind, they just gave him more money in the final two years of his contract, rather than extending it.
 
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Most professional athletes get away with things that are absolutely insane and then come up with lame excuses.

How many animals died at the hands of a man that was little more than an animal himself.

If I could stomach this piece of vermin and what he could possibly do for a team, I thank that his actions and his influence on those that would make him a hero or an idol to look up to, is sadly far more important.

I hope that the teams and coaches get hate mail by the bushel basketful for the choices that they have made. What is even worse is that if the NFL takes him back and then bows to public pressure, legally the trial lawyers will have a field day taking the NFL to court and trying to make a ton of money out of this.

I have just lost a ton of respect for the NFL and now question everything they stand for.

Professional sports is based on commercial dollars like everything else. What I personally intend to do on this issue is to look at those corporate interests that pour advertising dollars into the games played by this team. If sponsors do not put up the dough, Vick is history. . . .

This is a very sad comment on the integrity of professional team sports.
 

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Most professional athletes get away with things that are absolutely insane and then come up with lame excuses.

How many animals died at the hands of a man that was little more than an animal himself.

If I could stomach this piece of vermin and what he could possibly do for a team, I thank that his actions and his influence on those that would make him a hero or an idol to look up to, is sadly far more important.

I hope that the teams and coaches get hate mail by the bushel basketful for the choices that they have made. What is even worse is that if the NFL takes him back and then bows to public pressure, legally the trial lawyers will have a field day taking the NFL to court and trying to make a ton of money out of this.

I have just lost a ton of respect for the NFL and now question everything they stand for.

Professional sports is based on commercial dollars like everything else. What I personally intend to do on this issue is to look at those corporate interests that pour advertising dollars into the games played by this team. If sponsors do not put up the dough, Vick is history. . . .

This is a very sad comment on the integrity of professional team sports.

What would you have liked to have happened to him instead?
 

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None of us have any idea how contrite Michael Vick is.
He has to earn a living, he kept in pretty good shape during his time in prison (game shape? we'll find out soon enough), and a team is willing to take a chance on him.
Why don't we wait and see how he's changed, or not, during the last two and a half years?
I don't like violence to animals, any more than anyone else.
But I don't like murder either.
Or rape.
Or child abuse.
But I do believe in second chances.
Why do we always want to consign people to hell forever?
 

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why does everyone act like he is the only person who has ever done this give the man a break he served his time and everyone one deserves to make a living

Dogfighting Undercover

A quote from the video: "Here's a guy whose picture was up on my kid's bedroom walland all along he was nothing better than a scummy dog fighter."

This isn't just cruelty to animals. This involves citizens getting attacked by these dogs and kids worshipping heroes who commit heinous acts.
 
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I was at one time a very successful professional musician. I was a pianist and organist and worked most of the major recording studios in Hollywood and was on the concert stage for Movie Studios and worked as a Union Musician in multiple orchestras.

I developed osteoarthritis in my hands. This now limits the time I can play especially a piano. I shifted gears and because I had done well and had enough money to start a different business, I did exactly that.

I was not able to continue as a professional in my chosen field because the demands of the job were beginning to create episodes of physical pain that were no longer tolerable.

Mr. Vick, playing on an athletic field is no different. He also has a limited career time because of the punishment his body is subjected to.

Mr. Vick, if he did not invest well from what he had already been paid as a professional athlete, does not get my personal sympathy.

He can go out and like the rest of us earn a living doing something else. Nobody is going to deny him a job, I would defend him there.

From what I have heard the man does not get it and sounds as if he has little comprehension of the value of life to an animal even now. The man is a liability to the team if he gets in more trouble and he is one who for many reasons needs to take his education and move on to an alternate living. I see no disgrace in that in any manner.

If a man serves his debt to society there is usually a really thorough understanding of what he did wrong and respect for those that were injured as a result of his actions.

Sadly, I have seen nothing so far from him that resembles regret for anything other than getting caught.
 

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I totally like the 2 posts right above me. The man made a mistake and served his time. I wish people would focus less on these professional athletes personal lives and focus more on their own.
Here's someone who doesn't quite 'get it,' either...

To parrot myself: A person who continually refers to years worth of funding and heading an illegal, interstate dog-fighting ring; gambling, for gain and enjoyment, on the outcomes of the fights; drowning, electrocuting and bashing dogs to death; and then lying about it -- repeatedly -- a person who continually refers to this as 'a mistake' has yet to fully internalize what it is they've done wrong...

That's a lifestyle; not 'a mistake.'
 

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That's a lifestyle; not 'a mistake.'

Well, maybe he means that it was a mistake getting into that lifestyle.
No one knows what he means.
No one knows what Vick's state of mind is now.
To hang your argument on Vick's use of the word 'mistake' seems lame.
Of course, maybe we'll one day know your hunch is right.
But right now ... I don't know how anyone would know that.
 

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Of course, maybe we'll one day know your hunch is right.
But right now ... I don't know how anyone would know that.

He's a fucking sociopath and now the Eagles have just elevated him to sports hero status as if none of it mattered. He's not going back to an every day job, he's going back to fame, stardom, and a lot of money. The Eagles have just become Vick's apologists demonstrating that the almighty dollar is more important than the integrity of the team and the city they represent.

Sports franchises are not like other businesses. It is expected that they maintain some sort of integrity because they get the right to put a city's name on their team and merchandise while getting tax breaks and even whole stadiums built by cities to house them. What should have been a message about abiding by the law and ethical treatment of animals has just been made into, "The dude was stupid. He got caught. That was his mistake," and worse, it makes it look like he got away with it. Great message to send to the youth of Philadelphia.

If he did those things to my dogs I'd call in a favor from some friends I never, ever, want to call on favors from.
 

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why does everyone act like he is the only person who has ever done this give the man a break he served his time and everyone one deserves to make a living


nobody is denying him the chance to make a living...he can be a mechanic, a gardener, a salesman, a house painter, etc...people are angry he was let back in the NFL. you can do whatever you want in life, yes you deserve to be able to make a living...but playing in the NFL is a privilege.
 

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IMO the problem originates with the team owners and talent scouts. They go into these small urban and rural areas and pick hoodlums to be on their teams. Some are recruited right out of high school. Most never had a decent family upbringing.

this is totally untrue, Team owners and "talent scouts" from the NFL do not recruit high schoolers.

that is a completely ignorant statement on your part. The NFL has rules that state that a player is not eligible to play in the NFL until at least *THREE* years after he has graduated from High School.

high school football players are recruited to play in college. they must meet minimum academic standards and fortunately, problem individuals are being avoided to a higher degree today than they used to be. The only way they will get to play in the NFL is if they are drafted or signed as undrafted free agents out of college.

Now, if you are talking about the NBA, that is a different story...but they are still not recruited by the NBA...they must *ENTER* the draft.

team owners do not recruit kids out of high school. this is complete nonsense.

As for most college football players never having a "decent upbringing" that is a complete lie. there are many young men who in fact have had a tough time, and are maladjusted, and do in fact cause problems, but how you can categorize 11500 players on over 115 teams in Division 1A college football alone in that way is really rather astonishing.
 

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Dogfighting Undercover

A quote from the video: "Here's a guy whose picture was up on my kid's bedroom walland all along he was nothing better than a scummy dog fighter."

This isn't just cruelty to animals. This involves citizens getting attacked by these dogs and kids worshipping heroes who commit heinous acts.



Again, someone says it's "hero" worship. He is not a hero. Heroes are people who put their lives on the line without a thought of a reward. Almost all the news generated around professional ball players is about the scum factor. More people are recalling steroids, murder, guns, wife abuse, rape, lengthy trials, drug abuse....

Get real.
 

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I totally like the 2 posts right above me. The man made a mistake and served his time. I wish people would focus less on these professional athletes personal lives and focus more on their own.


Ha ha.

I often hear this kind of comment aimed at those in the political area, and it sounds bizarro to hear it used on professional ball players. Yes, they should have lives, but why all the gangsta crud and sleaze? The moment a politician does something like Michael Vick, he's dead meat.

You're an apologist for this man's wrong doing. If he was to really feel remorseful, maybe he should start funding the SPCA or other organizations like it. I'm not very opposed to him making a living, but all his goals are set on the bottom line. His contact is for only one year. Keep that in mind.

People who like to watch hard core cruelty and engage in it have small hearts and souls. Recollect Jeffrey Dahmer.

the topic will spin on....