Michele Bachmann is "in".

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  1. maxcok

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    I started to post in the "Michele Bachman Lies!" thread, but as you'll see in my next post, it got out of hand. Plus, now that the evangelical Tea Party darling and third-tier beauty queen has kinda . . . sorta . . . maybe . . . . announced her intention to run for president in 2012, apparently as a result of being "called by God", which she had previously set as her deciding criterion, I thought she deserved a whole new thread.

    During Congressman Steve King's "Conservative Principles Conference" held last week in Iowa, a field of presidential hopefuls and "considerers" trotted themselves out in front of the Republican/Teabag party faithful. Ms. Bachman was a highlight of the event, delivering a rousing address in which she relentlessly bashed Obama, the Democrats, and the "liberal socialist agenda" before a wildly cheering audience, during which she also all but confirmed her presidential ambitions:
    “Are you in for 2012?” she called out to the audience. “Are you in? Are you going to make it happen? Are we going to take our country back?” As the applause built, she concluded by saying, “I agree with you. I say we do. I say I’m in. You’re in. We will take this back in 2012.”
    In my next post I'll list some other statements she's made which outline various policy positions. So what do you think, LPSGers, is Michele Bachmann a credible contender to run against Obama? And what do you think of her prospects?






    Minor footnote: Someone nobody's ever heard of, Herman Cain, former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, and a former conservative radio host, overwhelmingly won the Presidential Straw Poll held during the conference. Attendees chose Cain as their first choice for the presidency, followed by Newt Gingrich, Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann, and Sarah Palin. For second choice they picked Michele Bachmann, followed by Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Mike Huckabee.
     
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    If Michele were a member of LPSG, she would be on my ignore list.

    It is so sad that she is taken seriously by some folks. USA is really on the skids I think.
     
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    It terrifies me this is even remotely considered a a plausible option. The palin was the beginning. Mcain's fault for giving legitimacy so suddenly to that woman. Now any loon can hitch their wagons to a movement, and just talk louder. As long as the gays and the mexicans and abortion are still fun third rails for the relig-i-right down there. They will completely red herring any chance you guys have at catching up. IMHO
     
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    May the lunatics on the right spend all of their money to try and get her elected... and lose.
     
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    I think the republican leadership should be decided by mud wrestling.
    They sling enough of it as is and who wouldn't pay to see a Palin v. Bachman rolling around in it?

    Actually, now I'm just picturing Palin chasing Gingrich screaming, "Soo-ee!"
     
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    Let's not forget our friend Mittey Romney. A mormon president. what could go wrong....oh wait. Someone saying "Good afternoon President Huckabee" with a straight face, and Andy from Mayberry starts playing.
     
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    Lol.
    I've had much the same thought.

    The Republicans have only idiots for leading candidates.
    Obama is finding his footing and the economy is improving.
    By 2012, he's going to look like a pretty sure thing.
     
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    Good Dog I hope so, I am worried though as a citizen of this world. After this recent 'not a witch/paladino' problem. The possibility of your public discourse coming down again, to this basic mechanic of birth certificates and gay sympathizing, stem cells and demonising. Your all ignoring sizeable pachyderm's, you quite clearly cannot afford to. The stakes are high right now for all of us, and unfortunately at times we need you guys at the table and alert...shit frankly, I'd like you guys to be the smartest guys in the room out of sheer expenditure and scale. Please no trump. Please?
     
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    No matter if its bachman or obama, the US is closing in fast on failure.
    The best thing that could happen is to let bernie madoff become the secretary of the treasury. A ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme whether is privately managed or smoke & mirrors of the Fed & treasury.
     
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    oh come on now. You can't, fully aware of my own foreign 'IMHO's', equate one with the other. Mr. Obama is so clearly the only logical choice to an electorate faced with problems of our magnitude. I think this conversation is based on the fear of this new devil you don't know, and it's proximity to the possiblility of a seat in power, amirite?
     
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    Define the post above me. I reread your posts & yes I respect your opinion as a Canadian & fellow North American. Am not clear on what you meant by mentioning gays, mexicans & abortion as 3rd rails. That sounds agenda driven. The deciding factor in any election iss the economy. Blaming the TeaParty specifically or the Republicans in general is absurd.
    Also did the CBC show the Presidents speech tonight? If I were a Canadian, or from any other country, I think I would be wondering what exactly he said. There was no clarity in that speech.
     
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    I wouldn't be too complacent about that. A lot of unexpected events can happen on the American and world stages between now and then to shape the race.

    What you're seeing in the "leading candidates" so far, are those who are putting themselves in front of the far rightwing conservative and religious base, and those riding the Teabagger wave. Overshadowed by the carnival that is the current face of the Repuliteabag party are some possible contenders. For example, I think Huckabee is unelectable on image alone, and he's too far religious right (hopefully) for the mainstream electorate. Nor is the country ready for a Flannery O'Connor farmwife as first lady. Yes, we are that shallow.

    Don't overlook Tim Pawlenty's potential for wide populist appeal, his waspish 'presidential' image, and good hair. Mitch Daniels has challenged the party doctrine on a number of issues, most notably fiscal policy, and he's still managed to garner widespread respect within for his independence. Though he has so far resisted efforts to be drafted as a candidate, he could be a unifying force, pulling votes from moderates, centrists, even conservative Democrats; despite the fact that he's short, funny looking and practically bald. He needs to get ahold of Palin's stylists for a makeover. Don't count matinee idol Mitt out yet either. Stay tuned for his phony mea culpa on 'Romneycare'. :wink:
     
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    I just think right now America (again I grew up there, and love you) just can't afford to go into another election cycle with red herrings like DADT and stem cells/abortion, presidential birth certification, or any other distractions muddying the waters. At all. The stakes are too high, and arguing about them detracts time from any other debate you guys really need to have. Morrocco is beating you in health care, and the Koreas in education. China for science and maths, and technology as whole by 2013. It's time IMHO for you guys to get over some serious social issues the rest of the world, in surprising places, has done and flourished.
     
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    Am with you brother. I don't think bachman or palin either 1 have a Chinamens chance in hell to win. Totally agree about pawlenty & daniels as dark horses in the race.
    Also agree that many things can change between now & election 2012 & Obama is planning on that.
     
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    You think we'll see Romney apologize for his complicity in the soon to be repealed health care. That kind of memory will be interesting to see, clever wordsmiths required.
     
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    Jdunhill, pardon my saying so..the birth certificate is a factor. Its part of the constitution. IF in fact the current President was not born in the US or its territories or in a military hospital in a foreign country (you know where the DOD issues the birth certificate) you cannot legally serve in the capacity. The logic behind that is if you have no loyalty to the flag you have no allgiance to the constitution.
    In regards to education etc, obviously throwing billions & billions of $$ at them did not help. If 1 kid fails a class it the kid..if te entire class fails its the teacher.
     
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    Jdunhill, pardon my saying so..the birth certificate is a factor. Its part of the constitution. IF in fact the current President was not born in the US or its territories or in a military hospital in a foreign country (you know where the DOD issues the birth certificate) you cannot legally serve in the capacity. The logic behind that is if you have no loyalty to the flag you have no allgiance to the constitution.
    In regards to education etc, obviously throwing billions & billions of $$ at them did not help. If 1 kid fails a class it the kid..if te entire class fails its the teacher.
     
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    oh I agree, and we have a similar albeit smaller issue here with teachers and unions and what not. But I think the decline you guys have seen the past 20+ years is a terrible problem for your position in the world. You need your inspired fertile brains badly. BADLY right now. Without Zuckerberg and Jobs and Gates to an extent...the cutting edge is just going to pop up in Bangalore before it turns up in Baltimore soon enough. Remember, I don't want that anymore than you.

    The birth certificate issue? Let's not, I don't know you at all, so this conversation might get rude when it's not my intent. That said, you all at LEAST in your muddle must have had one check and balance throughout that process that ensured Barrie's citizenship is legit. You have to at least have that faith in your CIA, INS, FBI and or any other branch of governance. Long before he took the oathe. Isn't it funny at all at this point? Silly?
     
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    Your 1st point I totally agree with. I went to a private school so can't say for a fact what the public school systems problem is.
    2nd point:
    It is suppose to be required before the oath is taken. What was produced wouldn't get a passport here (not authenticated). Many states are now passing or about to pass laws where the secretary of state has to verify any & all birth certificates before they can make the ballot.
    Not sure why you think it would get rude, the law is the law. In defense of Obama I will say his administration has detained/deported more illegals than any recent President. However border security under DHS is a joke.
    To keep with this thread...bachman is smart (tax litigator) but won't appeal to the majority of the party base or independants.
     
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    The birth certificate is not a factor in any shape or form. He was born in Hawaii, the state of Hawaii backs it as well as the US Congress, and the revised birth certificate that everyone has seen online is suitable. It doesn't matter what anyone else says or thinks about it. When I requested a copy of my birth certificate from my home state back in the 90s, the female clerk on duty pulled out a form representing a state issued certificate of birth (which looked nothing like the original birth certificate my parents received back in 1973), looked up my information which is on file with the state, and filled in all of the necessary info BY HAND. Her handwriting looked like it was written by a girl in high school writing a love letter to the captain of the football team. But as long as it's paid for and it has the official state seal, it's perfectly legal. And if I wanted to run for president, I could use it as proof of citizenship and it too would also pass despite what anyone thinks.

    Birth certificate talk is nothing more than people implying that the current president is not as "American" as someone else. And if that's where we're going, how about we force all of the presidential candidates to pull their dicks out so we can give the title to the guy with the biggest instead? Both are just as mindless and frivolous. There are far too many real issues to talk about... and the people who really matter in the upcoming election, that being the "Undecided" and the "Independents" who don't blindly follow either the Democrats or the Republicans, don't want to hear about birther garbage anymore.
     
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