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Bachmann was surprisingly articulate and polished during tonight's debate. I have no idea what the deal is with her campaign staff, but kudos! She obviously has a David Axelrod-esque "kingmaker" in the mix, because the whole presentation - speech pattern, hand gestures, and language - made for quite a palatable figure.

Sarah Palin was also impressive in her first outing at the Republican National Convention. The rest is history. I wish Ms. Bachmann well but it seems history will repeat itself.
 

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Regardless of how well briefed she was or how successful she was at keeping herself under control, I don't wish her well at all.

I agree with _exotikittie that her style of us vs Them is helping to create an unbridgeable gulf in American politics. She is quite destructive IMO.
 

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This was Pawlenty's grand entrance to the american public; I think his strategy was simply not to make waves or be controversial.

He will get MUCH more impressive as time moves on in this campaign; the guy has a helluva track record and he's very intelligent. IMO it will either be he or Romney that ultimately gets the nomination. Pawlenty is pretty moderate too, I'm just afraid he will get labeled as somebody that panders to the ultra wealthy due to his tax plan (no estate tax, lower tax rates) but if you actually take time to learn his tax plan - it is compelling with relation to new jobs and eliminating debt long term for the U.S.
Please expound on Pawlenty's "helluva track record."

Tim Pawlenty’s record is no better. He left Minnesota with a $6.2 billion projected deficit, making him the first Minnesota governor in history to pass on such a massive shortfall. And he shifted tax burdens to localities by cutting local funding. The result was that, under Tim Pawlenty, 90% of Minnesotans saw an increase in property taxes. And during his entire tenure in Minnesota - eight full years - he created a mere 6,200 jobs while seeing a large spike in the jobless rate.

DNC prebuts on jobs - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
 

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I think Ms. Bachmann is a dangerous Teabagger who would be a ruinous President. However, I was also quite surprised at how she did in the debate last night.

I concluded that she is intelligent and articulate, takes direction very well from her newfound professional handlers (Ed Rollins, etc) and showed some charisma as well.

So now I am confused.
Is she a vacuuous teabagger who had a good night?

Is she an intelligent politician who has been pandering to teabaggers disengenuously for their support?

Or is she both intelligent and a teabagger who managed to stay away from the crazy juice for one night?

I don't like any of these choices, but I do have to say that she made herself a contender last night.
 
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I think Ms. Bachmann is a dangerous Teabagger who would be a ruinous President. However, I was also quite surprised at how she did in the debate last night.

I concluded that she is intelligent and articulate, takes direction very well from her newfound professional handlers (Ed Rollins, etc) and showed some charisma as well.

So now I am confused.
Is she a vacuuous teabagger who had a good night?

Is she an intelligent politician who has been pandering to teabaggers disengenuously for their support?

Or is she both intelligent and a teabagger who managed to stay away from the crazy juice for one night?

I don't like any of these choices, but I do have to say that she made herself a contender last night.

All good points but lets not forget Bush II who when he came into office he claimed to be a 'Big Tent Conservative'. But once in office he yanked the wheel hard right and ran the country right off the cliff. Never ever trust them to be reasonable or moderate in any sense of the word.
 

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This was Pawlenty's grand entrance to the american public; I think his strategy was simply not to make waves or be controversial.

He will get MUCH more impressive as time moves on in this campaign; the guy has a helluva track record and he's very intelligent. IMO it will either be he or Romney that ultimately gets the nomination. Pawlenty is pretty moderate too, I'm just afraid he will get labeled as somebody that panders to the ultra wealthy due to his tax plan (no estate tax, lower tax rates) but if you actually take time to learn his tax plan - it is compelling with relation to new jobs and eliminating debt long term for the U.S.
Idk, Star, Pawlenty is forgettable. I'm siding with The Nation on his performance as one of the "agonizingly drab also-rans."

Also, I was surprised by his inability to sieze this moment to shake Romney's "I'm running this shit, bitches" ease -

Despite prompting from moderator John King. Pawlenty skipped a chance to press his “Obamneycare” comparison of President Obama’s health-care reform legislation and the reform plan Romney implemented as governor of Massachusetts.
GOP Debate: Michele Bachmann and Six Guys | The Nation

Pawlenty wasn't just "drab"' but the "omega male" to Romney and Bachmann's decidedly alpha behavior. No matter his qualifications, experience, or record, how he presents himself as a leader matters - last night he was totally neutered.

Sarah Palin was also impressive in her first outing at the Republican National Convention. The rest is history. I wish Ms. Bachmann well but it seems history will repeat itself.
In terms of debating skills, Bachmann showed she's far superior last night. There wasn't a rogue wink to be found.
 
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I think Ms. Bachmann is a dangerous Teabagger who would be a ruinous President. However, I was also quite surprised at how she did in the debate last night.

I concluded that she is intelligent and articulate, takes direction very well from her newfound professional handlers (Ed Rollins, etc) and showed some charisma as well.

So now I am confused.
Is she a vacuuous teabagger who had a good night?

Is she an intelligent politician who has been pandering to teabaggers disengenuously for their support?

Or is she both intelligent and a teabagger who managed to stay away from the crazy juice for one night?

I don't like any of these choices, but I do have to say that she made herself a contender last night.
I am similarly confused about Bachmann. The economic conditions being what they are with potential to further decline, I think Bachmann could play more into the separatist angle, but she's centered herself in Libertarian/Evangelical values mode. When she connected Tea Partyism to a broad cross section of Americans, I felt it spoke to some restraint and awareness of the dangers offering a sense of legitimacy to separatist groups, Hutaree, Soverign Citizens and the like would bring. However, im not sure she wouldn't go there if her campaign begins to fall apart.

So yes, while I praise her development, I also share your unease.
 
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Jaw dropping comment of her's from the debate:

BACHMANN: ......declared war on EPA’s ability to protect the public health, saying she would sign “the mother of all repeal bills” targeting “job killing regulations.” She continued: “And I would begin with the EPA, because there is no other agency like the EPA. It should really be renamed the Job-Killing Organization of America.”​

You may die 20 years sooner than you should but hey at least you had a job. I'm not sure she and her supporters will be happy until the Brown Clouds come to America.
 
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As articulate as she was, I've not forgotten that she's a pathetic birther, and believes that some members of congress are un-American. Moving slightly left of her radical right stance up to now, still makes her unelectable. She makes Palin look like a leftist. She doesn't have a prayer...
 

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Turn off Faux News.

You do not have to agree with or like my opinion of SI's post, but to suggest it is partisan or based in limited media exposure is off base. If there's a finger to point in regard to limited viewpoint and intolerance - aim it at yourself.

Debate Swings Door Open for Perry, Closed For Palin - NYTimes.com

GOP Debate: Michele Bachmann and Six Guys | The Nation

Introducing Michele Bachmann 2.0 | Mother Jones

Bachmann Used G.O.P. Debate to Widen Her Appeal - NYTimes.com

Romney, Bachmann Big Winners in GOP Debate Tonight | Mother Jones
 

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As articulate as she was, I've not forgotten that she's a pathetic birther, and believes that some members of congress are un-American. Moving slightly left of her radical right stance up to now, still makes her unelectable. She makes Palin look like a leftist. She doesn't have a prayer...
I'm not sure what I was watching last night, either Spitzer, Maddow, or the dude with the gigantic dome that follows Maddow, but one of the talking heads suggested Bachmann was the new center of the GOP. I disagree, as most Republicans I know are moderates, slightly RINO - especially in this Tea Party influenced environment. However, I agree with another talking head that there is something attractive about her lack of waffling and clear agenda - she might be, in my estimation, wacky, but she owns it.

Still early days, but I think she has a chance for VP nom. If not, she's still has a term to serve out and could try again in 2016. There's no rush, she's young.
 

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I think Ms. Bachmann is a dangerous Teabagger who would be a ruinous President. However, I was also quite surprised at how she did in the debate last night.

I concluded that she is intelligent and articulate, takes direction very well from her newfound professional handlers (Ed Rollins, etc) and showed some charisma as well.

So now I am confused.
Is she a vacuuous teabagger who had a good night?

Is she an intelligent politician who has been pandering to teabaggers disengenuously for their support?

Or is she both intelligent and a teabagger who managed to stay away from the crazy juice for one night?

I don't like any of these choices, but I do have to say that she made herself a contender last night.

You are confused because you have the liberal media feeding you lies in one ear, and you saw something different when you looked at it through your own. If liberals would turn of the Ed show and lawrence Odonnel (sp) for once, and look at things for themselves, they might reach different conclusions about things. Same goes with hannity and rush. It goes both ways.
 

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I felt like she performed a stage routine and had her one liners planned for the applause. I'm not impressed with her.

Thats pretty hard to do when you dont know what the questions are going to be. Did you think of that or are you just a blind cool-aid drinker that cant be rational?
 

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Sarah Palin was also impressive in her first outing at the Republican National Convention. The rest is history. I wish Ms. Bachmann well but it seems history will repeat itself.

Yeah. Just like Palin, the media will destroy here. However, they are going to prop her up over the next 12 months as if she is the greatest thing ever in hopes that she will get the nod and then destroy here because they know she, other than Ron Paul, is Obama's easiest opponent in a General Election.
 

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Thats pretty hard to do when you dont know what the questions are going to be. Did you think of that or are you just a blind cool-aid drinker that cant be rational?

I think that she went in very well prepared for what topics and issues would most likely be addressed and performed well. It's just my opinion like everything else in most of these forums you don't need to be insulting to be heard and get your point across.
 

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You are confused because you have the liberal media feeding you lies in one ear, and you saw something different when you looked at it through your own. If liberals would turn of the Ed show and lawrence Odonnel (sp) for once, and look at things for themselves, they might reach different conclusions about things. Same goes with hannity and rush. It goes both ways.
Again, totally off-base. JustAsking has always produced well-considered and reasoned opinions on this forum - meaning the whole of LPSG. He deserves better than this weak attempt to attack liberals via his (flawless) posting character and awareness of politics.

These sort of posts offer absolutely nothing of value and are basically shitting on the attempt most are making to create a space for free political discussion. Please grow the fuck up.
 

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I think Ms. Bachmann is a dangerous Teabagger who would be a ruinous President. However, I was also quite surprised at how she did in the debate last night.

I concluded that she is intelligent and articulate, takes direction very well from her newfound professional handlers (Ed Rollins, etc) and showed some charisma as well.

So now I am confused.
Is she a vacuuous teabagger who had a good night?

Is she an intelligent politician who has been pandering to teabaggers disengenuously for their support?

Or is she both intelligent and a teabagger who managed to stay away from the crazy juice for one night?

I don't like any of these choices, but I do have to say that she made herself a contender last night.

This is essentially what I'd have posted if my mind had been clearer last night, when I first opened this thread. I find it surprising that yours was the first mention of Ed Rollins: his fingerprints are all over this new-and-improved, ready for Prime Time Bachmann. Everything from her tone of voice to an obvious attempt to reign in the crazy-eyes look she gets shows that she's deadly serious.

Personally, I think the real winner of the debate was Rick Perry. Romney can't win the nomination without Evangelicals, and I just don't see them seriously entertaining a Mormon for President, and that's even before one goes digging into his past positions that made him electable as Governor in Massachusetts. Pawlenty underwhelms everyone he comes into contact with (except, apparently Starinvestor).

Perry will announce soon: all of Newt's staff defections are his guys, anyway. Perry/Bachmann is as likely a ticket as any other, and much more plausible than, say Romney/Santorum or Pawlenty/Cain :cool:

<shudders involuntarily>

Ron Paul's supporters remind me of Red Sox fans in the mid-70s: talk about impossible dreams :rolleyes: