That’s inaccurate. Only 20% identify as White-Hispanic.
Miky Jimenez
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When did this happen? What do these people identify as then? The most famous Latinos in the media are white.
- Papi,
Cardi B, Amara La Negra, JLo, Sonia Sotomayor, MJ Rodriguez, Sofia Vergara, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Ashley Carino, Karol G, Benjamin Bratt and Tenoch Huerta Mejia are not white nor do they identify as such. Even the lighter ones like John Leguizamo don't identify as white.
Just because some of them don't identify as white, it doesn't mean they aren't. J. Lo. and Cardi B both tan. If you look at J. Lo. from back-in-the-day, she is clearly white (like her parents). Cardi B is very close to white. Her mom appears to be straight white, and her dad looks like he is white and Native or something -- but even he is light-skinned. Sonia, Sofia, and Alexandria are obviously white.
Benjamin and MJ appear mixed. Tenoch obviously has more Native blood. I'm from the South, and he basically represents what the Latinos look like where I'm at. When you see mixed people down here, they typically have black fathers and white mothers. Even though John is mostly racially white, you can tell he also has Native blood or something in him.
- Papi,
You're defining whiteness by your interpretation of skin color not race or culture or identity. If that be the case, then Blake Griffin, Lena Horne, Alicia Keys, Heavy D, Kid, Vanessa Williams, Derek Jeter, Michael Michele, Sinbad, Maya Rudolph, Benjamin Jealous, Wentworth Miller, Rashida Jones and Tracee Ellis Ross must be white by your colorist logic.
I have a TON of mixed people in my family. The vast majority of the BM pursued whiteness (or the closest they could get to it). It's been generational. Race isn't just about skin color. It also has to do with things like facial features and hair texture. Genetically speaking, most biracial (black/white) people have more European blood -- because most BP have some white blood in them, due to the slave trade.
Not all biracial people look the same, but most of the ones you mentioned are white-adjacent. I would call them mixed. I don't know why some people view, calling a person what they are, an insult. Now, if a person looks more black than white (phenotypically) and relates more to black culture and what not, I'm cool with calling them black. However, I know a lot of mixed people that prefer to be called mixed. They don't want to have to choose a side.
- Papi,
Because what you think they are is not how they define themselves. You are not Latino to be trying to define Latinos by your interpretation of what race, color, culture and identity are. You say you are fine calling lighter-skinned blacks black if that's how they identify. We Latinos can identify ourselves, too, without your attempt to name us and force us to pick the side you define.
It's actually not just about how a person identifies himself/herself. We live in a racialized society, where what you look like dictates the treatment you get/opportunities you receive. Even though Latinos are an ethnic group that come in all races, they like to pretend like they don't see color -- even though you have expressions like "Mejorar la raza" and such.
Anti-blackness is a global issue, and black Latinos still get treated like crap. The only time you see a lot of black Latinos on T.V. is when their countries need them to play sports/compete in the Olympics. During the slave trade, their were more Africans taken to Latin America than to here in the U.S., which is why the black population has remained pretty small here.
Anti blackness is a symptom of systemic hatred and intolerance for centuries which is evident from the comments expressed by some in this thread. Outside the continent of Africa, Latin America has the 2nd largest African diaspora followed by the United States.
Yeah. The only thing that would change anti-blackness would be the BM's societal position -- but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Why would bm societal position change that? Anti blackness and issues with colorist would still exist.
- Papi,
Your views are clearly shaped by your growing-up experiences in the US, and it's sadly ironic that you present your arguments like a white male version of a Karen who thinks it's her place to tell others who they are based solely on her interpretation of how she thinks things are or should be. While you are able to make some valid points (such as colorism in all of the Americas), your continued need to respond and be "right" exposes huge gaps in your knowledge. For example, Latino as a descriptor for people only exists in the US; hence, the idea that Latinos are an ethnic group is solely a US American one that is likely a direct result of institutionalized US racism where people must be categorized according to color instead of actual culture or ethnicity. Perhaps unknowingly, you continue to push this narrative in the most colonial way by naming and classifying people based solely on the few things you know, the few you think you know, and a few more you can look up on Google. You choose to name people based on color as if color alone defines culture. You also tread dangerously close to internalized racism when you say things like "they like to pretend". Who is they? Don't answer; it's rhetorical. No matter how dark or light my skin, I cannot nor would I attempt to define your blackness no matter what shade you may be on the spectrum. Your blackness should be honored, respected, and celebrated. Although we likely have many shared experiences and shared views, again I ask, please be respectful of my "latino-ness". I can define myself without your help as can JLo, Rosario Dawson, and J Tenoch Huerta Mejía.
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- Papi,
Wait. Ain't this a porn site? Okay, time to let it go, and get back to the dick.
I know that the idea of the Latino is only used in the states, but the system that treats people better or worse, due to their proximity to whiteness, exist everywhere. The reason I said certain people pretend to be things is because, even though Jennifer is white (or very close to it), she recently referred to herself as a black girl from the Bronx. That is an insult to black girls and women that have to deal with colorism and featurism on a regular basis. Women like J. Lo. and mixed women do what they do because they know that, in the black community, they will be uplifted over BW (that are actually black and present as such). We both know that Cardi is too much.
- Papi,
This, this, THIS-- what you complain about here--is THE issue self-identified blacks from American countries outside the US face in the US: our blackness is equated with US American blackness by most whites solely based on skin color and negated by many Black Americans/US African Americans based on the shade of color one has and the fact that our culture is different and distinct from yours. The US classifies all based on color as if color and culture are the same thing. Many US African Americans have internalized this, and they judge Latinos who are black based upon the only experience they know through the lens of subjugation, denigration, racism, discrimination, and separate but unequal. Colorism exists in all of the Americas, but one's blackness or shade does not separate you from that country's culture to the extreme extent it does in the US. Hence, you are Puerto Rican first whether you look Native or Asian or European or African although you may still be discriminated against depending on your shade. But, when we come to the US, we are forced to align with either US blacks or US whites based on skin shade. However, if we are aligned with US blacks or choose to align with US blacks, we are then judged on our "blackness" according to how much we "match" or mesh with the dominant US black culture as if our own blackness and our own culture has no worth. It does. It's just different. We can be black and/or white and/or brown and/or Native and/or mixed and still be proud to be who we are. Jamaicans, Nigerians, Trinidadians, and Haitians have black skin in varying shades yet still retain their own distinct black culture, regardless, AND many of them make a point of retaining their own identity in the US. Some US blacks are quick to claim Roberto Clemente, Arturo Schomburg, Bernie Williams, and Carmelo Anthony as black, but just as quickly negate the blackness of Karol G, Cardi B and Bad Bunny based solely on skin shade. Our blackness is not yours to define because it is not US African American culture: it is our own.
well…this thread just became like every other thread