Military discharging immigrants

[fireman1294]

You do realize that the only elegied families that were separated were the ones that couldn't prove they were a family in the first place. The ones that had documentation proving they were a family were not. You're hating him for enforcing something that was written wrong by the guy before him.
You don't even know who Ross Perot is so look him up first
Trump is a billionaire businessman so I'm sure he knows how an economy and a budget works. And through all this all this, A German is once again telling how other countries should run their politics. Like that doesn't seem globally familiar.

 

[StormfrontFL]

You do realize that the only elegied families that were separated were the ones that couldn't prove they were a family in the first place. The ones that had documentation proving they were a family were not. You're hating him for enforcing something that was written wrong by the guy before him.
You don't even know who Ross Perot is so look him up first
Trump is a billionaire businessman so I'm sure he knows how an economy and a budget works. And through all this all this, A German is once again telling how other countries should run their politics. Like that doesn't seem globally familiar.

Wasn't Trump the one who said only Congress could do something about the separations and then when the uproar became unbearable stopped it? Funny how he was able to do something that he said he wasn't able to do.

 

[Klingsor]

So..... Obama created the law in the first place, and then never changed it, but never upheld it. So he basically said it's ok to not obey or uphold the law, Or just laws that you create?
The point I'm getting at is everyone is bagging on Trump for upholding what his predecessors set in place. Be it Obama, Bush jr, or Clinton. When Obama came into power people blamed him for some of Bush's garbage. The same happened to Bush with some of Clintons hand me downs. The whole world is on a Hate Trump bandwagon because he is not a career politician. That's the bottom line. In fact he was able to do what Ross Perot could not, and become president. But I'm sure no one younger than me remembers actually living through all that.

Nice try, but the fact remains: Trump brought this whole shit storm upon himself, and now his administration is struggling to undo it.

And if you really want to blame Obama, then I have to ask: where was the outrage at the time? Conservatives attacked him for everything else he did; if they had a problem with his immigration policy being too draconian, they had every opportunity to speak up then.

 

[Perados]

You do realize that the only elegied families that were separated were the ones that couldn't prove they were a family in the first place. The ones that had documentation proving they were a family were not. You're hating him for enforcing something that was written wrong by the guy before him.

Even if this woud be correct, Trump argues he is responsible for the good econoical data. Even a few weeks after his elections he claimed the low unemployment data for himself... the problem is, it's been Obama's achievement.

So, if he wants credits for things he hasn't done, I give it to him.

You don't even know who Ross Perot is so look him up first

I don't have to know this guy. Out of the context I see that he tried to become President, but failed.
But by simply becoming President Trump hasn't proved anything.

Trump is a billionaire businessman so I'm sure he knows how an economy and a budget works.

First of all he is a businessman, so he should know about micro-economy (how a company works), this doesn't mean he has to know much about macro-economy (how the economy works)

Second, he already got quite a big fortune by his father. This raises the question how big Trump's achievement was.

Third, Trump was default 5 times. This questions his skills as a businessman.
The only reason why he still can call himself a billionaire, is because he has some good lawyers and is so selfish to stay ritch on the cost of small companies and businessmen. Or he runs scam business, like he did with his university.

And through all this all this, A German is once again telling how other countries should run their politics. Like that doesn't seem globally familiar.

What's your point?

 

[Klingsor]

Trump is a billionaire businessman so I'm sure he knows how an economy and a budget works.

We know he's a billionaire because of his tax returns.

Oh wait . . .

 

[StormfrontFL]

Remember when we thought Sarah Palin was the worst that could happen?

 

[phonehome]

According to Forbes who creates the fucking list AKA "the Forbes 400" he is NOT and has NEVER been a "billionaire" the HIGHEST estimate of his net worth was about 500 million and that was some time ago.

He OWES around half a BILLION to Dueche Bank and has for over 10 years now. I think by now they have all but "written off that loan" if he pays anything it is the interest, that is his MO, he takes out a loan pays the interest, at least some of it for a little while and then defaults.

Look into the story of the "Trump Shuttle"

The Apprentice, where he was just a fucking ACTOR hired by Mark Burnett kept him afloat for years.

 

[fireman1294]

That's a great point. Where was the outrage when Obama was in office? There wasn't any and why because the media is biased and if you say otherwise then you need to back under the rock. The left wing democrat controlled media isn't going to show the Democratic Party in bad light. And the right wing is the same for the republicans. When the Government went into shutdown over DACA, (not the dream act which are two completely seperate things) it was a blaming game. Dems cried Repubs were at fault, Repubs cried Dems were at fault and it was a giant mud slinging fuck fest that no one won really. And the Media was the chief mudslingers for sure. And just because you read something on the internet doesn't make it true. The person has to get off the band wagon and make an informed educated opinion for themselves. Not what the media tells us. If I look hard enough on the internet I can find a creditable looking article telling me the sky is really orange and I'm color blind if I see it as blue and should have my eyes checked.
This is fact though my entire investment portfolio was loosing money or on a good day barely breaking even the whole 8 years Obama was in office doubling and then doubling again the national debt. 4 months after Trump took over it made over 30 grand and has been going up ever since. Now although I am no financial analyst by any means I do know I didn't change my portfolio but I know how to read the statement and see it's been going up every quarter. That is hard proof to me that an improvement has happened.and not just me, everyone I work with that also have portfolios have also been talking about theirs going up as well.
My bottom line is this, will he be better or worse in the long run I don't know, but so far he has been doing great by me both as a disabled combat vet and as an investor. Will it hold, I don't know. I do know that on election day he was different and not a democratic carbon copy of the last 8 years of what was in office. What was Obama's slogans "Change" and "yes we can". Well the country said "yes we can" and on Election Day made a "change". So I have no idea why the democrats are so upset, after all the nation finally did what Obama has been telling us to do for 8 years after all.

 

[Industrialsize]

That's a great point.

What was the great point?

 

[fireman1294]

What was the great point?

Read the next sentence.

 

[Industrialsize]

Read the next sentence.

MSM NOT criticizing President Obama:
Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President
Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President
Obama Leaves Office As 'Deporter-In-Chief'
Obama Leaves Office As 'Deporter-In-Chief'
Is Obama’s Drone War Moral?
The ethics of defensive killing
Is Obama's Drone War Moral? - The Atlantic
Outrage Over Obama’s Drone Policy Hits the Streets of San Francisco!
Outrage Over Obama’s Drone Policy Hits the Streets of San Francisco!

Obama Wades Into a Volatile Racial Issue
Obama Wades Into a Volatile Racial Issue

 

[fireman1294]

And as I said in my post there are media agences for both parties. It's a mudslinging contest from both sides. I would honestly have to spend more than a few days researching those headlines with other data sources before I make my own opinion.
I'd like to know why half the nation became judge jury and executioner of a man before he even took office. I'll be the first one to admit I voted McCain the first time and Romny the second time, but even though my choices lost I never once uttered the phrase "He's not my president" because the hard truth was that he was the president and as a legal citizen that made him my president for better or worse he was my president. I didn't like it but I gave him a chance. No one even gave Trump a half a chance. The only ones that can say "he's not my president" are all the illegals that exist in the US in the first place.

 

[Klingsor]

That's a great point. Where was the outrage when Obama was in office? There wasn't any and why because the media is biased and if you say otherwise then you need to back under the rock.

Industrialsize has responded to your claim, but even if it were true, you miss my point. A president's political opponents are always going to take the lead in criticizing him. Republicans could have challenged Obama for being too tough on immigrants back then; they didn't, so it's disingenuous for them to use that as an excuse for Trump's actions now.

 

[fireman1294]

Who said they didn't challenge him back then? What we know is it never hit mainstream media and exploded like this did. And you have to admit that a blind man can see how aggressive and relentless the media and Dems have been going offer Trump. It's been worse than a witch hunt. I honestly can't remeber a president being non stop attacked like he has been. Trump has been attacked more in his term than Obama and Clinton did in their 16 years combined. What I do know is not everything that happens in DC or anywhere for that matter makes the news. What makes the news is the choose of the people that run the various news services. They choose what gets printed or talked about in their publications which is a biased opinion because it's chosen by a person. So back to the orginal topic. There could have been big challenge about immigration and just not reported about because of the political climate back then.

 

[StormfrontFL]

That's a great point. Where was the outrage when Obama was in office? There wasn't any and why because the media is biased and if you say otherwise then you need to back under the rock. The left wing democrat controlled media isn't going to show the Democratic Party in bad light. And the right wing is the same for the republicans. When the Government went into shutdown over DACA, (not the dream act which are two completely seperate things) it was a blaming game. Dems cried Repubs were at fault, Repubs cried Dems were at fault and it was a giant mud slinging fuck fest that no one won really. And the Media was the chief mudslingers for sure. And just because you read something on the internet doesn't make it true. The person has to get off the band wagon and make an informed educated opinion for themselves. Not what the media tells us. If I look hard enough on the internet I can find a creditable looking article telling me the sky is really orange and I'm color blind if I see it as blue and should have my eyes checked.
This is fact though my entire investment portfolio was loosing money or on a good day barely breaking even the whole 8 years Obama was in office doubling and then doubling again the national debt. 4 months after Trump took over it made over 30 grand and has been going up ever since. Now although I am no financial analyst by any means I do know I didn't change my portfolio but I know how to read the statement and see it's been going up every quarter. That is hard proof to me that an improvement has happened.and not just me, everyone I work with that also have portfolios have also been talking about theirs going up as well.
My bottom line is this, will he be better or worse in the long run I don't know, but so far he has been doing great by me both as a disabled combat vet and as an investor. Will it hold, I don't know. I do know that on election day he was different and not a democratic carbon copy of the last 8 years of what was in office. What was Obama's slogans "Change" and "yes we can". Well the country said "yes we can" and on Election Day made a "change". So I have no idea why the democrats are so upset, after all the nation finally did what Obama has been telling us to do for 8 years after all.

Media bias? Ah I love that conservative boogeyman.
The Myth of Pro-Obama Media Bias

 

[StormfrontFL]

Who said they didn't challenge him back then? What we know is it never hit mainstream media and exploded like this did. And you have to admit that a blind man can see how aggressive and relentless the media and Dems have been going offer Trump. It's been worse than a witch hunt. I honestly can't remeber a president being non stop attacked like he has been. Trump has been attacked more in his term than Obama and Clinton did in their 16 years combined. What I do know is not everything that happens in DC or anywhere for that matter makes the news. What makes the news is the choose of the people that run the various news services. They choose what gets printed or talked about in their publications which is a biased opinion because it's chosen by a person. So back to the orginal topic. There could have been big challenge about immigration and just not reported about because of the political climate back then.

If anything the media operated as Trump's press secretary. They covered every word and appearance he made. There was no need for expensive ads because he was on TV everywhere, every day. As for now, if he didn't say or do anything embarassing he wouldn't have to worry about negative press.

And you claim to have never seen a President attacked nearly everyday. You must have been in a coma during the Obama administration and missed the whole birther movement, the calls for impeachment, the attacks on his wife and kids, and the countless insults showing him as a witch doctor or surrounded by watermelons and grape soda not to mention the pictures of him being lynched.

 

[fireman1294]

Do you have other more credible sources besides "fair.org". You just demonstrated what I have been talking about. You found a site that had an article that matched your opinion. That doesn't make it fact in my eyes. I need a lot more proof to make me stop thinking that a news source owned by a person or like minded people doesn't report on what they want to, not what actually is. And that's just not Obama and or Trump, that's anyone or anything. News companies stay in business by keeping ratings up and keeping people comming back to them. When they loose readers they loose money. So it's only natural they print the hot topics or hot controversial topics, to keep people comming back to them. As long as people with opinions are writing the news it will always be biased, and therefore there will never be a truly 100% unbiased news source

 

[keenobserver]

And as I said in my post there are media agences for both parties. It's a mudslinging contest from both sides. I would honestly have to spend more than a few days researching those headlines with other data sources before I make my own opinion.
I'd like to know why half the nation became judge jury and executioner of a man before he even took office. I'll be the first one to admit I voted McCain the first time and Romny the second time, but even though my choices lost I never once uttered the phrase "He's not my president" because the hard truth was that he was the president and as a legal citizen that made him my president for better or worse he was my president. I didn't like it but I gave him a chance. No one even gave Trump a half a chance. The only ones that can say "he's not my president" are all the illegals that exist in the US in the first place.

Trump is reaping what he planted. He led the racist birther charge and spent years along with the rest of the lunatic right spewing hate and casting aspersions and lies. If Obama had the personal / public history that Trump has, multiple wives, adultery - which he bragged about in his books - broken contracts, shady deals and schemes he would have never made it out of the gates. People remember that slime and getting into the White House does not grant him a clean slate. He is scum, has always been scum and he operates only in his interest - not the countries. That might be why he did not have any kind of honeymoon with intelligent voters. Just a thought.

 

[fireman1294]

The only person I ever thought should have been removed from office and prosecuted for crimes was Hillary for her lack of action and attention for Benghazi. Good people died because she didn't give the order to remove them. Even after all the other embassies became ghost towns.
It's my own personal opinion that if you are a civilian that holds a political office that has direct control over US Military troops, then that person should be held accountable to the laws of the UCMJ just like someone serving on active duty is. And therefor if your lack of action causes gross negligence causing severe injury or death then you need to be relieved of command for the investigation and held accoutable to the findings. Then tried in a military court if need be. That goes for any politician in any office that has direct control of troops. I have always believed that politicians that have never served in uniform making those kinds of decisions are a major part of what is wrong with our political system and country

 

[fireman1294]

Trump is reaping what he planted. He led the racist birther charge and spent years along with the rest of the lunatic right spewing hate and casting aspersions and lies. If Obama had the personal / public history that Trump has, multiple wives, adultery - which he bragged about in his books - broken contracts, shady deals and schemes he would have never made it out of the gates. People remember that slime and getting into the White House does not grant him a clean slate. He is scum, has always been scum and he operates only in his interest - not the countries. That might be why he did not have any kind of honeymoon with intelligent voters. Just a thought.

If all this is common knowledge, been published and bragged about in books as you have said then why was he elected? And since when is having multiple wives been a disqualifier for president?

Ever hear the phrase any press is good press. The Dems have given Trump so much press it's rediculous. His name is in the news and on people lips and minds non stop 24/7.