Military rape-- a way of life?

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The Enemy Within - NationalJournal.com

There's a petition going around to put pressure on the Pentagon to investigate chronic sexual assault by instructors of Lackland Air Force base. But the problem is much bigger than that one place. It's endemic in the service, wherever the sexes mingle, and even where they don't.
 

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Isnt this why military used to be men only? These events are exactly what they feared, no?

Rather than flame you for what I think you meant, would you care to expand your thought to include a point? The way I read the above is. "That's why women shouldn't be in the military and that it is their fault they are being raped."
 

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Rather than flame you for what I think you meant, would you care to expand your thought to include a point? The way I read the above is. "That's why women shouldn't be in the military and that it is their fault they are being raped."
My point is, that they originally thought that such a thing would happen in the military should women serve. Now that they can serve, it has proven true. Men and women bunk separately (I believe) and it even occurs where the sexes dont mingle at all. So what exactly can be done? Rape is a big enough problem OUTSIDE of the military, what can be done to stop it IN the military where you have so many people with even more power than those outside it?

I am not saying that women shouldnt serve, but just that it was known that there was a very high chance of this happening. I dont have a solution... no ideas at all.
 

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My solution is, sign the petition and don't pretend it is 'normal'.
Alright, you sign the petition. What changes? What actually changes? Rape is an issue of human nature and morals (or lack thereof), not an issue of law (in most cases). We already have laws against rape.
 

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Alright, you sign the petition. What changes? What actually changes? Rape is an issue of human nature and morals (or lack thereof), not an issue of law (in most cases). We already have laws against rape.

So I guess we should not sign the petition and let things stay the way they are I suppose *shrugs. Will something change, maybe. maybe not but if more people are aware of it, then maybe changes will happen.
 

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So I guess we should not sign the petition and let things stay the way they are I suppose *shrugs. Will something change, maybe. maybe not but if more people are aware of it, then maybe changes will happen.
If you can come up with a way to change human nature (so that rape doesnt happen) and adjust the psychology of the mind (so that those that have been raped will come forward), that will change things. Until then, the best we can do is enforce what we can.

This is just my opinion of course... because I just dont see how you can really do anything else.
 

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If you can come up with a way to change human nature (so that rape doesnt happen) and adjust the psychology of the mind (so that those that have been raped will come forward), that will change things. Until then, the best we can do is enforce what we can.

This is just my opinion of course... because I just dont see how you can really do anything else.

Yeah but signing a petition to promote awareness so that possible changes can happen doesn't hurt.
 

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If you can come up with a way to change human nature (so that rape doesnt happen) and adjust the psychology of the mind (so that those that have been raped will come forward), that will change things. Until then, the best we can do is enforce what we can.

This is just my opinion of course... because I just dont see how you can really do anything else.

You're saying its human nature to commit rape?
 

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So I guess we should not sign the petition and let things stay the way they are I suppose *shrugs. Will something change, maybe. maybe not but if more people are aware of it, then maybe changes will happen.

i know right. why bother try and change shit that is fucked up?

thank you helga for posting it, at least some of us are talking and thinking about it more now...and that is the first step.
i say cut off their fucking dicks and their tongues, dress them in a burqa and drop em off in Kandahar. I bet the rape rates would go down really fast.
 
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Again, this is the cynic in me, but this strikes as a KONY 2012 part deux without the fanfare

It's terrible, but I struggle to see much change happening, unless we adopt Tamati's approach, which I would FULLY support!
 

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It's endemic in the service, wherever the sexes mingle, and even where they don't.

Disagree, the United States Armed Forces has a strong policy against sexual assault. I see this as an isolated incident but USAF really takes this seriously and the UCMJ's judgement is quite detrimental on personnel record if you are in a bad side.

Because Lackland AFB is the transit point for becoming an Airmen and to test the mentality and the right of passage for new recruits. Some trainees have faint of heart and will do some nonsense to get away with hard transit.

I think with the Training Squadrons slacked policy, now their TIs(Technical Instructors) messing with the system. I know USAF or other military branches have a strong policy against this. We always have briefings every week regarding policies like sexual activities and horse play crap inside because its a mandate to do it.
 

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All the services take sexual harrassment/aggression/etc very seriously. Large amounts of time are spent trying to educate and train servicemembers on professional standards in the workplace, how to report it, etc. At least in the Army, every company has an appointed individual whose duty it is to be a point of contact for sexual harrasment training as well as someone another Soldier can go to. There are people at every level of the chain of command whose purpose it is to deal with these issues.

Part of the problem though is that the military is a reflection of society. There will always be bad apples in the group, and no amount of training, lecturing, educating, etc. can teach ethics and morals. Your values are pretty much set by the time you join the military.

From my experience, the military takes anything sexually related (negative) very serious, and the instances I've seen have all been handled appropriately. Again from experience, what I have seen though, is, often, cases result in a 'he said - she said' situation where no clear cut decision can be made because no damning evidence exists. On top of that, many times alcohol is a factor which clouds both parties judgment and leads to poor decisions which someone eventually regrets.
 

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I disagree with the last two posts. Although I don't believe it's endemic in the military, I do think that often times those in charge look the other way. The military has strict policy about the treatment of prisoners, but look at went on at Abu Ghraib. There's no way that those in charge were unaware of what was going on.
 

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there is no excuse to look the other way. rape is rape, no matter what missouri gop senate candidate Todd ache-in the ass says. god help us should he win elected office.
 

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there is no excuse to look the other way. rape is rape, no matter what missouri gop senate candidate Todd ache-in the ass says. god help us should he win elected office.

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